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Re: Giving PA people what they "want" (Stories!) UPDATE P27
« Reply #405 on: February 21, 2013, 10:37:51 PM »
When I'm extremely tired either one of two things happens.   I'll get extremely silly and laugh like a loon if someone says "boo" or bawl like a baby because someone said "boo."

Either way, you're not getting a logical conversation out of me! If I'm really hungry and you insist on keeping me from food, as it is in cartoons, you may start looking like a chicken leg.

That's when the word "hangry" starts to have a DEEP and SERIOUS meaning....   >:D
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Re: Giving PA people what they "want" (Stories!) UPDATE P27
« Reply #406 on: February 22, 2013, 10:14:14 AM »
That reminds me of something my stepfather said to me. I was home at 10pm from work, starving and with low blood sugar and he wanted to have a serious conversation about something to me. I asked politely if he could wait until I finished my dinner, as I could give him a better response, and he told me that I was being selfish.

You know I never understand people who want to have a heart to heart/serious conversation when people are hungry and tired. 

I know with me the only thing that is guaranteed to happen is that my nice filter will be malfunctioning and my responses will be along the vein of bullet point answers and RAWWWWR HUNGER NOM NOM SLEEP.

My ex-husband used to wake me up at midnight to have serious discussions and extract promises from me. Then he would later accuse me of betraying him and lying to him when I didn't keep said promises that I didn't even remember making and probably only mumbled mm-hmm to so that I could GO BACK TO SLEEP.

I've recently been tracking my sleep patterns and found that I have a 90-minute segment of super deep sleep around midnight every night, so he was waking me from a *dead* sleep.

EX-husband.

Oh, gosh. I was in a long relationship with the won't-let-me-eat/sleep abuser and eventually divorced Mr. That's-Not-What-You-Said-At-One a.m.-Last-Night. Who knew there was a whole squad out there??
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Re: Giving PA people what they "want" (Stories!) UPDATE P27
« Reply #407 on: February 22, 2013, 10:25:02 AM »
My boyfriend's ex-girlfriend was another 'It's 4 AM, now is the time for Serious Discussions!' And she would often be upset about something that there was *no way* of fixing at that time, then get mad that he didn't care enough to do anything about it. Something to do with finances would be the most common, and she'd insist it need to get dealt with *right away*...despite everything being closed, and the situation having been happening for the last few days anyhow...surely it could wait another 6 hours...

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« Reply #408 on: February 22, 2013, 10:29:30 AM »
I imagine for the other person it's like having a heart-to-heart with a squirrel on red bull.

The bolded reminded me of a clip from one of my fave movies (Hoodwinked!): Squirrel on coffee...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YmCjMRAzCiE

Hammy and the energy drink... http://youtu.be/0sGlETQIMUo

"Whoa, dude, the LAST thing you need is caffeine."  It's a dumb movie, but I love it.

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Re: Giving PA people what they "want" (Stories!) UPDATE P27
« Reply #409 on: February 22, 2013, 10:51:23 AM »
lol. Yes, I am giving the PA person what they want -- they want to talk to me when I'm hungry or tired...they got it. But once they get me going, they won't be able to shut me up. I don't usually get angry or nasty just so unfocused that they won't be able to have the conversation they want.
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Re: Giving PA people what they "want" (Stories!) UPDATE P27
« Reply #410 on: February 22, 2013, 10:57:01 AM »
Has anyone ever had a situation where you gave the PA person what he/she wanted--for example, saying "Okay" in response to "Well, fine.  I'll just do it myself/stay out of it/whatever"--and had that person get angry that you called their bluff?  I can't tell you how many times I've had that happen, responded with "Okay", and had whoever I was arguing with round on me and say, "No, you're not supposed to answer me with that!"

Short version: Ever had the other person throw a tantrum when you don't follow the script?

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« Reply #411 on: February 22, 2013, 11:46:33 AM »
Has anyone ever had a situation where you gave the PA person what he/she wanted--for example, saying "Okay" in response to "Well, fine.  I'll just do it myself/stay out of it/whatever"--and had that person get angry that you called their bluff?  I can't tell you how many times I've had that happen, responded with "Okay", and had whoever I was arguing with round on me and say, "No, you're not supposed to answer me with that!"

Short version: Ever had the other person throw a tantrum when you don't follow the script?

Yep. My response? "Tough nuggies." PA does not make me want to cooperate with you, even if your request is reasonable. Heck, if you have a possibly silly request and you ask nicely, I may very well do it. Play games, and I'm done.
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Re: Giving PA people what they "want" (Stories!) UPDATE P27
« Reply #412 on: February 22, 2013, 12:01:26 PM »
I'm thinking this is PA but I'm not sure exactly how to give them what they want or what they hoped to accomplish (but it seems to fit the theme of our conversation at this point, so here you go). Twice I've had someone decide that the time to start having a serious discussion about their family (in other words, not about me) was when I absolutely could not give them my full attention.

Once was in the car with my mom. I was navigating an icy stretch of freeway with lots of slideoffs, and this is the time she wants to talk about how worried she is about her sister's health.

And once was with a very good friend. We had dropped another friend off at Ready Care because she'd sprained her ankle. I had to grab something to eat (I get low blood sugar), get 1st friend back to her car and then get 2nd friend from Ready Care. 1st friend wants to linger over fast food and talk in depth about the problems her family is having. I finally had to cut her off and remind her that 2nd friend was waiting at Ready Care.
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Re: Giving PA people what they "want" (Stories!) UPDATE P27
« Reply #413 on: February 22, 2013, 12:20:33 PM »
I don't know if the first one is PA but it's certainly bad timing.

The second might be- does FirstFriend make a habit of this? Knowing you've got to hustle and insisting you spend extra time with her?
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« Reply #414 on: February 22, 2013, 12:46:19 PM »
On the whole, no, although I can now think of one other time she wanted to start a serious discussion when I had to go elsewhere. She's normally a very generous and giving person, so these few-and-far-between moments of wanting my attention when my attention clearly has to be elsewhere are a little weird.
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« Reply #415 on: February 22, 2013, 02:45:25 PM »
I'm thinking this is PA but I'm not sure exactly how to give them what they want or what they hoped to accomplish (but it seems to fit the theme of our conversation at this point, so here you go). Twice I've had someone decide that the time to start having a serious discussion about their family (in other words, not about me) was when I absolutely could not give them my full attention.

Once was in the car with my mom. I was navigating an icy stretch of freeway with lots of slideoffs, and this is the time she wants to talk about how worried she is about her sister's health.

I would say it depends on the situation.  I know someone who does stuff like this regularly.  Part of it is that she is just not a very appropriate person.  Certain life experiences make her just plain insensitive to things like timing.  But part of it is that she is a very insecure person.  So there are times when I can say, "Not now, I'm dealing with a huge issue."  And she'll say.  "OK."  But there are other times when it's clear that she has purposefully timed things to see if I will prioritize her over other things in my life.  An example of this is that she would regularly call me at work just to see if I'd drop work (no matter what kind of crisis I was in) for her.  Or she would call me right after a death in the family and try and get me to skip out of the funeral to take care of her.  She also has done the talk when I'm hungry and tired but it's not to get me to agree to anything.  It's to see if I will prioritize her above my basic needs.

I think the most telling thing is the follow up.  If she says, "Can we talk about X now?" and is reasonable than I figure the earlier behavior was just her being unaware.  But sometimes it's "Well I TRIED to talk about X with you and you didn't want to." or "You don't care about me." or "You love your job more than you love me."  Then I know it was a passive-aggressive tactic.   

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Re: Giving PA people what they "want" (Stories!) UPDATE P27
« Reply #416 on: February 22, 2013, 06:17:28 PM »
Has anyone ever had a situation where you gave the PA person what he/she wanted--for example, saying "Okay" in response to "Well, fine.  I'll just do it myself/stay out of it/whatever"--and had that person get angry that you called their bluff?  I can't tell you how many times I've had that happen, responded with "Okay", and had whoever I was arguing with round on me and say, "No, you're not supposed to answer me with that!"

Short version: Ever had the other person throw a tantrum when you don't follow the script?

Just had one. I have a relative who has a long history of feuding with people. They decided that I was mad at them, and therefore not speaking to them, so they weren't going to talk to me. Not true, but whatever. ::) Not going to argue the point.

They recently broke their silence and sent a message to someone else that they weren't speaking to to give me a message that they want me to talk to them. Dude. Really. This isn't a James Bond movie. You couldn't just pick up the dang phone and say hello??
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« Reply #417 on: February 22, 2013, 06:44:00 PM »
Has anyone ever had a situation where you gave the PA person what he/she wanted--for example, saying "Okay" in response to "Well, fine.  I'll just do it myself/stay out of it/whatever"--and had that person get angry that you called their bluff?  I can't tell you how many times I've had that happen, responded with "Okay", and had whoever I was arguing with round on me and say, "No, you're not supposed to answer me with that!"

Short version: Ever had the other person throw a tantrum when you don't follow the script?

When we were still pregnant with our daughter, we decided not to let DH's sister babysit (or be alone with DD) for multiple reasons dealing with her mental health/behavior.  She expected to babysit DD, have DD sleep at her apartment, etc.  When we told her this was not going to happen, she initially "forgave us" for our decision. (A whole 'nother thread) But for months afterward, whenever the family was talking about our (not-born-yet) baby, she would sigh, "Well, I'm never going to have the relationship I want with my niece, so I'm not even going to bother trying to spend time with her." or "Well, since Weeblewobble and Mr. Weeble don't want me anywhere near the baby, I'll just stay home and wait until she's a few weeks old before I visit her."

We would say, "OK, then" or "That's your choice." instead of falling all over ourselves to assure her that wasn't what we meant.  She had a meltdown about how "mean" and "hateful" we were to say she would be such a uninvolved aunt.  We pretty much ignored it. 

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Re: Giving PA people what they "want" (Stories!) UPDATE P27
« Reply #418 on: February 22, 2013, 08:45:32 PM »

Once was in the car with my mom. I was navigating an icy stretch of freeway with lots of slideoffs, and this is the time she wants to talk about how worried she is about her sister's health.


Mine once grabbed the steering wheel while I was driving in a snow-storm simply because I wasn't worried about  her leaving in the next few days. :o
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« Reply #419 on: February 22, 2013, 08:53:53 PM »

Once was in the car with my mom. I was navigating an icy stretch of freeway with lots of slideoffs, and this is the time she wants to talk about how worried she is about her sister's health.


Mine once grabbed the steering wheel while I was driving in a snow-storm simply because I wasn't worried about  her leaving in the next few days. :o

I had a similar experience because I wasn't worried enough about making it home or to a shelter in a hurricane.  Rita, to be exact.  It hadn't gotten bad yet, but it was still dicey.  Trust me, I was worried enough.  So worried, in fact, that I wasn't talking. This was apparently offensive.
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