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Re: Little House books S/O thread
« Reply #60 on: January 01, 2013, 10:57:03 PM »
I still have not mastered the quote feature so please forgive me.

I don't know that I agree that Almanzo was under appreciated.  When Laura first began writing she was ghost writing for Almanzo.  Laura began writing as herself when she began to write articles on more acceptable women's occupations like raising chickens for meat or eggs.

I do living history and have done several small library presentations as Laura Ingalls Wilder.  On one such occasion an adult asked me some questions about Rose's political writings.  Rose had written some very strongly socialist articles including one that she referred to as her Credo.  These articles were written between the two world wars.  When viewed in the context of their time in history there were appropriate to the climate.   I broke character to discuss the topic.  I went back into character and finished a project. 

As I was leaving a woman that I have known for over ten years took me aside and let me know that Laura would never speak against Rose's politics but that didn't mean Laura was too happy about it.  The woman is one of the Missouri Wilders and personally knew Laura and Rose.   

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« Reply #61 on: January 01, 2013, 11:08:26 PM »
Great thread! I read all the Laura books as a child and reread them when I was about twenty. That's been... a while now :) so maybe it's time to get them out again. I loved all the descriptions of how things were done, the clothing, etc.. But when I was older I was able to appreciate what a hard life they had, and it really made "pioneer" stories seem less positive to me, at least for families with young children.

I started reading the Rose books a while ago. They had less of the "how things were done" and more of the "life is hard" stuff so in some ways they were less enjoyable, but I liked reading about the characters I knew. There are things I think about from the books when I read stuff on here--in some ways etiquette seemed more like a cage back then, at least the way Caroline and Laura applied it. In one of the Rose books, Laura and Rose are working hard to clear stones from a field before it rains (I think), and suddenly a neighbor drops by to visit unexpectedly. Even though they have a lot of work to do, and not much time to do it, they sit and chat with the neighbor for a good long time, and (at least in Rose's recollection) act like they have all the time in the world to spend with her. Laura's opinion is that it would have been rude to turn the woman away, or even cut the visit short, even though in some sense their livelihood was at stake.

Similar to the story where Caroline made Laura give her doll to the neighbor girl. I was really upset by that story as a child. There were a lot of things the Ingalls thought it right to do, to be neighborly and polite, that could also be seen as being hurtful to their own families. It's hard to tell sometimes if they were justified and it was just a child's perspective that saw it as unreasonable, or if social conventions have really changed that much, or if they were outright wrong.

I also sometimes think of how Laura decided her parents shouldn't be at her wedding, even though they were right there in town, because Almanzo's family couldn't be there, and it was only fair to exclude both. Of course added in to that was that they were purposefully holding the wedding when his family couldn't be there, because they knew his sister would take over and make it a big expensive thing, and there was going to be fallout from that decision anyway. (At least that's how I remember it.) That could totally be a thread on eHell.

Has anyone ever read the "other" Little House books, which purport to follow Caroline as a child, and her ancestors going back to Scotland (I think)? I always assumed they weren't based on as direct sources as the Laura and Rose books, but I wondered if they had any basis in reality at all, or were just historical tales using fictional characters linked to known people?
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Re: Little House books S/O thread
« Reply #62 on: January 01, 2013, 11:13:30 PM »
I still have not mastered the quote feature so please forgive me.

I don't know that I agree that Almanzo was under appreciated.  When Laura first began writing she was ghost writing for Almanzo.  Laura began writing as herself when she began to write articles on more acceptable women's occupations like raising chickens for meat or eggs.

I do living history and have done several small library presentations as Laura Ingalls Wilder.  On one such occasion an adult asked me some questions about Rose's political writings.  Rose had written some very strongly socialist articles including one that she referred to as her Credo.  These articles were written between the two world wars.  When viewed in the context of their time in history there were appropriate to the climate.   I broke character to discuss the topic.  I went back into character and finished a project. 

As I was leaving a woman that I have known for over ten years took me aside and let me know that Laura would never speak against Rose's politics but that didn't mean Laura was too happy about it.  The woman is one of the Missouri Wilders and personally knew Laura and Rose.   

I find it odd that Rose would speak in support of socialist politics seeing as she is considered to be one of the "founding mothers" of the American Libertarian movement?

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Re: Little House books S/O thread
« Reply #63 on: January 01, 2013, 11:52:08 PM »
I still have not mastered the quote feature so please forgive me.

I don't know that I agree that Almanzo was under appreciated.  When Laura first began writing she was ghost writing for Almanzo.  Laura began writing as herself when she began to write articles on more acceptable women's occupations like raising chickens for meat or eggs.

I do living history and have done several small library presentations as Laura Ingalls Wilder.  On one such occasion an adult asked me some questions about Rose's political writings.  Rose had written some very strongly socialist articles including one that she referred to as her Credo.  These articles were written between the two world wars.  When viewed in the context of their time in history there were appropriate to the climate.   I broke character to discuss the topic.  I went back into character and finished a project. 

As I was leaving a woman that I have known for over ten years took me aside and let me know that Laura would never speak against Rose's politics but that didn't mean Laura was too happy about it.  The woman is one of the Missouri Wilders and personally knew Laura and Rose.   

I find it odd that Rose would speak in support of socialist politics seeing as she is considered to be one of the "founding mothers" of the American Libertarian movement?

She was a founder of the American Libertarian movement - it was part of the evolution of her personal politics

The opening paragraph of 1936 Give Me liberty is in part

IN 1919 I was a communist. My Bolshevik friends of those
days are scattered now; some are bourgeois, some are dead,
some are in China and Russia, and I did not know the last
American chiefs of the Third International, who now officially
embrace Democracy. They would repudiate me even as a
renegade comrade, for I was never a member of The Party.
But it was merely an accident that I was not.


http://mises.org/books/givemeliberty.pdf

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Re: Little House books S/O thread
« Reply #64 on: January 02, 2013, 05:56:10 AM »
Maybe the lack of future children was not so much "performance ability" as side effects of the disease.   Could the high fever that is part of diphtheria have caused Almanzo to become sterile?   Not that it really matters, but just wondering. 

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Re: Little House books S/O thread
« Reply #65 on: January 02, 2013, 06:27:13 AM »
I have all the "Little House" books, as well as the spin-off series by other authors, telling tales of Laura's ancestors in Scotland and later, settling in America.  Heartily recommend them! 

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Re: Little House books S/O thread
« Reply #66 on: January 02, 2013, 08:38:05 AM »
Maybe the lack of future children was not so much "performance ability" as side effects of the disease.   Could the high fever that is part of diphtheria have caused Almanzo to become sterile?   Not that it really matters, but just wondering.

That's an interesting point.  I know one of the dangers of mumps in adult men is loss of fertility due to high fever (at least that's what I've read), so maybe that's it.

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Re: Little House books S/O thread
« Reply #67 on: January 02, 2013, 09:48:40 AM »
If three generations of women in the same family were unable to have boys who lived past a year, I would think it to be for genetic reasons, possible something X-linked.
But I guess we'll never know...


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« Reply #68 on: January 02, 2013, 10:44:45 AM »
I've spent the last couple of days reading every LIW site on the web, and one of them talked about a woman who knew the Wilders in Missouri.  She said she came to the house when Almanzo died, and she found Laura cradling his body in her arms.  That seems like such a fitting final chapter to their life together.

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Re: Little House books S/O thread
« Reply #69 on: January 02, 2013, 10:55:00 AM »
That's an interesting point.  I know one of the dangers of mumps in adult men is loss of fertility due to high fever (at least that's what I've read), so maybe that's it.
The mumps, which normally inflames salivary glands, will infect other glands as well- if you know what I mean. It can result in sterility, or reduced fertility in men. Which explains why my parents have two children a year apart...then one five years later (post mumps). Don't trust the doctor when he says your husband is sterile so you can stop using BC.  >:D

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Re: Little House books S/O thread
« Reply #70 on: January 02, 2013, 07:38:09 PM »
I'm rather fascinated by this picture.  It must have been taken after Laura married Almanzo.  Laura married at 18 and had Rose at 19. She was 10 years older than Grace.  Even if 8-year-olds were much more mature on the 19th century prairie than they are in the 21st century, I don't think an 8-year-old would have had a mature figure and long dress.  So did the Ingalls call Laura back for a photo session with her family of origin?  Wouldn't they want to include Almanzo and Rose, or at least Rose?


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Re: Little House books S/O thread
« Reply #71 on: January 02, 2013, 07:44:17 PM »
^ I can't see the picture  :(.  Is there a direct link?


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Re: Little House books S/O thread
« Reply #73 on: January 02, 2013, 08:24:44 PM »
So, I'm fascinated with this thread. As a mature adult (at least by age  ::)), if I wanted to start reading this series/associated books, where should I start?

I've never read the books or watched the TV show at all, but I'm fascinated by the life on the early prairie.

Suggestions?

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Re: Little House books S/O thread
« Reply #74 on: January 02, 2013, 08:27:15 PM »