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« Reply #75 on: January 14, 2013, 12:28:48 PM »
I was actually very disappointed with Disney's Beauty and the Beast.  I grew up with the version where a very nice intelligent prince finds himself at the mercy of a curse.  There was no stomping, threatening or temper.  The story was that he was only a beast in looks.  He lets Beauty go even though he knows the curse will destroy himself and his castle.  (In my version he sort of went to sleep a la Sleeping Beauty and she fought her way through thorns to waken him with a kiss.)

For Bringing up Baby and Housesitter, I thought the whole premise was that they were pathological in a humorous way.  So, definitely not pretending to be truly romantic and something you want to emulate!  I don't mind movies like those because they are meant to be ridiculous.  I see them on the same level as, say, "Mystery men" where I wouldn't necessarily want the protagonists to have any hand in real law enforcement  but it makes for a funny movie.

That said, I am a notorious grinch about "romantic" movies.  One thing I remember is watching Untamed Heart where the lead is your garden variety stalker who saves her from other stalkers - so it's OK, right?  The female lead is some annoying, jellyfish of a woman without a single interesting trait.  And at the end I said, "Oh thank goodness he died, because he was pretty annoying and she'd kick him to the curb after a month!"

Ditto on Christine Feehan.  I tried two and put them down because they were so freakin' annoying.  I had someone tell me that she read them for the "strong women."  What?  You mean the women who get all feisty before realizing that they like to be dominated?   ::) ::) ::) ::)

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« Reply #76 on: January 14, 2013, 12:47:04 PM »
I can't stand most romcoms. Too cheesy, too unrealistic. However, a PP mentioned This Means War. I agree completely, but I still loved the movie because I enjoyed the comedic/ridiculousness factor. And Tom Hardy. Tom Hardy can break into my house any day he wants. :P
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« Reply #77 on: January 14, 2013, 01:15:03 PM »
There's a cute little Sandra Bullock movie that I like to watch at the holidays called "While You Were Sleeping." She plays a lonely woman who works at a railway station, who has a crush on a handsome man who often passes through the train station, but she never speaks to him. One day, he is attacked and he falls onto the tracks and she saves him. As he is taken to the hospital in a coma, she (thinking of her fantasy life) says "But I was supposed to marry him," and the hospital staff take her words literally. Next thing you know, she's been introduced to his grieving and anxious family as his fiance, and she goes along with it, hanging out with the family, attending family events, and even going through the man's apartment. In the film, it's appealing, because Sandra plays such a good-hearted person and you understand that she's very lonely, and when the truth finally comes out, everyone forgives her and welcomes her into the family. But in real life, if a stranger posed as the fiance of a man she had never met who was in a coma, that would be pretty reprehensible.

I like that one too and thought of that but decided it didn't really count because her character (Lucy, I think her name is) feels so terrible about lying and when she seeks advice from the family's long time friend, he advises her NOT to tell them because as long as Peter's in the coma, she's their only link to them.   

And it's been a while since I've seen it but I think when the nurse introduces her as Peter's fiance she tries to correct the mistake right away but then his mother starts crying and hugs him and everyone's happy, then there's the grandmother with a heart condition.  So she does try to make things right and does feel conflicted about it, especially when she finds herself falling for Peter's brother.

Just thought of one. Ranger from the Stephanie Plum stories.  The way he can get into her house no matter how many locks she has on her apartment? Most women would be getting a restraining order, but she's just accepted it as par for the course.  Then again, it is Ranger. ;)
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« Reply #78 on: January 14, 2013, 01:18:39 PM »
How about "My Best Friend's Wedding"?  I could not stand Julia Robert's character and wanted to smack Cameron Diaz's character for being so forgiving and letting her still be the bridesmaid.  ::)
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« Reply #79 on: January 14, 2013, 01:23:31 PM »
As much as I love sci-fi, and was a fan of the show Torchwood, they get added to the 'should be in jail' list.  For those unfamiliar, the basic summary of the show is a team of specialist protect the world from  both Alien invasions and the finding/misuse of Alien artifacts. 

In one of their first shows in season1 the medical Dr in the team 'borrows' an alien perfume (pheromones?) which on humans makes you sexually irresistible to others. He spritzes himself with this that evening to pick up a couple at a bar.  Because it's okay to use chemical enhancements to influence others' choices of sex partners.  No need to be concerned that the girl had already turned you down (and that shortly thereafter her boyfriend shows up and also wasn't impressed), you can still use these chemicals  to change their minds, as long as these chemicals hadn't originate from earth.   

I never could really sympathize with that Dr after that.

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« Reply #80 on: January 14, 2013, 01:58:44 PM »
As much as I love sci-fi, and was a fan of the show Torchwood, they get added to the 'should be in jail' list.  For those unfamiliar, the basic summary of the show is a team of specialist protect the world from  both Alien invasions and the finding/misuse of Alien artifacts. 

In one of their first shows in season1 the medical Dr in the team 'borrows' an alien perfume (pheromones?) which on humans makes you sexually irresistible to others. He spritzes himself with this that evening to pick up a couple at a bar.  Because it's okay to use chemical enhancements to influence others' choices of sex partners.  No need to be concerned that the girl had already turned you down (and that shortly thereafter her boyfriend shows up and also wasn't impressed), you can still use these chemicals  to change their minds, as long as these chemicals hadn't originate from earth.  

I never could really sympathize with that Dr after that.

I'm pretty sure Owen (the doctor in question) was intended to be a selfish sleazeball. I don't think the audience was supposed to think that was ok; I think it was supposed to convey what type of person he was (an unethical, nasty jerk who didn't see any issue with date-rape as long as he got what he wanted). As I recall, Owen's slow, slow transition into a fairly decent person who actually cared about other people was kind of his character arc throughout the first two seasons. Actually, I think that whole sequence, where we see every single person on the team (aside from the team leader) take home pieces of alien technology to play with (which the team leader had just explained was strictly forbidden), was intended as an establishing moment for all the members of the team and the team's overall culture. Torchwood runs on people who like to skirt rules they find inconvenient, even their own rules. They justify that because they're protecting their planet from the alien menace. Their people are routinely rewarded for results (capturing aliens, saving the Earth, etc.) even as they break laws, ethical codes, etc., right and left. They are forgiven or outright rewarded for their behavior even when they break Torchwood's internal rules. In such an environment, it's no wonder that individual members are held in check only by the limits of their own consciences, and people with insufficiently developed consciences (*cough cough*Owen*cough cough*) are kept around and tolerated anyway as long as they are sufficiently brilliant and useful.

I think including characters like Owen actually highlighted the fundamental problems with Torchwood--it's much easier to forgive the "good," self-sacrificing characters for using the end to justify the means, because we can see that their intentions are noble and they beat themselves up over the bad things they have to do to achieve the goal. Then there are characters like Owen, and it gets much harder to tell yourself that it's ok for the heroes to operate this way. So he was definitely on the "should be in jail" list, but I think that was intentional on the part of the writers.  ;)

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« Reply #81 on: January 14, 2013, 02:13:32 PM »
laud_shy_girl wrote:

"Even Classic Disney does it. Look at beauty and the beast. Bell is bullied and blackmailed in to living with the beast where she then has a "chance" to fall in love."

Others have addressed the film as a whole above, but this jumped out at me because it's at odds with the storyline.  The Beast didn't bully or blackmail her, she offered to trade places with her father, who was in the dungeon because he'd been caught trespassing.  His reaction at her suggestion showed that he hadn't thought of making her stay before she said it.  Sure, that's a steep punishment for accidentally wandering into the castle, but for the setting it wasn't absurd and the Beast was socially stunted, due to his lack of etiquette training as shown above (and the fact that the other discussions in the story show that he was eleven years old when he was cursed).  In the end, she fell in love with him because he fell for her and really tried to become a better person for her.  Heck, near the end he even released her from her own promise to stay, assuming that she'd never return, so even I find the romance overarching any issues with force.

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« Reply #82 on: January 14, 2013, 03:21:57 PM »
There's a cute little Sandra Bullock movie that I like to watch at the holidays called "While You Were Sleeping." She plays a lonely woman who works at a railway station, who has a crush on a handsome man who often passes through the train station, but she never speaks to him. One day, he is attacked and he falls onto the tracks and she saves him. As he is taken to the hospital in a coma, she (thinking of her fantasy life) says "But I was supposed to marry him," and the hospital staff take her words literally. Next thing you know, she's been introduced to his grieving and anxious family as his fiance, and she goes along with it, hanging out with the family, attending family events, and even going through the man's apartment. In the film, it's appealing, because Sandra plays such a good-hearted person and you understand that she's very lonely, and when the truth finally comes out, everyone forgives her and welcomes her into the family. But in real life, if a stranger posed as the fiance of a man she had never met who was in a coma, that would be pretty reprehensible.

I'd forgotten that one. Seriously scared me when I watched it!!

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« Reply #83 on: January 14, 2013, 03:50:42 PM »
'Flowers in the Attic', anyone?

Oh my lord. Anything VC Andrews. And I mean anything. Never have I seen so many rapists and child molesters find partners than in her books. I remember reading Flowers at 11 and being completely stunned. It was in the school library, and while I try not to censor, I really think that was a book that should require parental permission. So awkward.

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« Reply #84 on: January 14, 2013, 04:04:39 PM »
"Kiss Me Kate", with Howard Keel.  His character is terrible.  He lies to and tricks his ex-wife then, when she finds out one of his lies and is furious at him, he spanks her on stage.  But, in the end, she goes back to him.

Another Howard Keel film: "7 Brides for 7 Brothers".  His character, Adam, persuades Milly (who's working as a cook in a nearby town) to marry him and keep house for him, but fails to mention she'll also be cooking, cleaning and keeping house for his 6 brothers too.  She finds out when they arrive home, and why she didn't bean him with a frying pan is beyond me.  Then, because his brothers are all mooning around, missing the girls from town they fell in love with, he persuades them that it's a great idea to go into town and kidnap the girls. :o  Milly and the girls do give all 7 of the brothers heck, but even so.

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« Reply #85 on: January 14, 2013, 04:08:34 PM »
oh and another one -matilda. didn't properly secure her in the car on the way home from the hospital. the parents left her at home alone all day long from age zero. they didn't send her to school when they were supposed to. didn't remember her age. father was busy scamming people all day long. and they gave her up for adoption without blinking. great home for a child to grow up in...

I was going to mention that one! :) My daughter loves it for the "magic" Matilda can do, while I'm emphasizing the magic of the librarian telling Matilda about library cards.

Well Roald Dahl was never one for dealing in shades of grey. All of his bad characters are unrelentingly bad in everything they do, and usually ugly to boot. Yet I have yet to meet a child that doesn't love love love his books. then again, I remember my kindergarten teacher as being the most beautiful woman anywhere, ever, yet looking at old class photos she was really quite plain. So perhaps he just has a really good grip on how kid's minds work.
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« Reply #86 on: January 14, 2013, 04:14:52 PM »
House.  One can go episode by episode and count how many things would put House and/or his team in jail. 

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« Reply #87 on: January 14, 2013, 04:22:36 PM »
In Groundhog Day, the main character spends many of his lives getting information out of his love interest so that he can sleep with her - it's definitely 'cheating', and he isn't interested in what she likes, only in what he can use.  I'm so happy that it doesn't work, and after a while she balks earlier and earlier.  In the end, he can only 'win' the girl by turning into a decent human being.  A nice lesson.

Yes! One of my favorites.

I haven't seen anyone mention "Housesitter" with Steve Martin and Goldie Hawn. It's a funny movie, but really? She breaks into his house and starts living there, spending his money, telling his friends and family she's his wife, and that's somehow quirky and charming?

Oh, and then there's Steve Martin and Queen Latifah in "Bringing Down The House". Prisoner shows up, after basically lying about who she is online, takes over his house, hides from the police when it's determined she's escaped from prison....

I love them both, but geeze....

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« Reply #88 on: January 14, 2013, 04:25:01 PM »
Oh ain't that the truth? It could be made into a drinking game, really.  Especially when they break into people's homes to find out what was wrong with them. 

And as much as I love NCIS and the head slap, you know that wouldn't go over well in real life. 
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« Reply #89 on: January 14, 2013, 05:13:28 PM »
And as much as I love NCIS and the head slap, you know that wouldn't go over well in real life. 

Well, it didn't go over well in that Sexual Harassment seminar, did it? (Season 4, "Driven", I think?)