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Piratelvr1121:

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--- Quote from: Twik on July 12, 2013, 11:08:24 AM ---I think that there needs to be a moratorium on "The Chosen One" or "The One" for about a decade.

Sure, you can have a hero who has any number of heroic traits. But let's skip the blahblahblah about how he was prophecied to appear in the darkest hour, etc., OK? He just showed up without warning - is that not dramatic enough?

I will give an exception to the "Tales of Symphonia" game, where there actually is a valid, plot-driven reason, why two cultures designate unfortunate individuals as competing "Chosen Ones". But if the prophecy could just as easily be dispensed with, dispense with it.

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But, but, without a prophecy, the author wouldn't have an excuse to write bad poetry! ;)

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Exactly! Usually those riddles or prophecies turn out to be rather lame. I've never understood why, if the prophet was supposedly on your side and trying to help, s/he would speak in riddles anyway. Why not just say, "Dude, it's you, but if you don't learn how to defend yourself, a lot of good people are going to die looking after you before you can do your mystical thing. So start training already."

And, in the things I've read anyway, there's sometimes forced ambiguity about who the Chosen One is, maybe even specific other people that it could be... Except you're 99% sure it's the main character, and in the end, it is. I don't think it's a spoiler by this point to say that Harry Potter was indeed the Chosen One, for example, but I thought it would have been awesome if, at the very end, it turned out to be another character, who fit all the criteria of the prophecy, surprising the heck out of everyone. Which would certainly not have negated Harry's contributions to that world at all, I don't think. I saw something similar in another popular tween book series that I just finished reading--kept hoping maybe it would turn out the main character wasn't the Chosen One after all, and then he was.

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I think what I like about Harry Potter was that he or Neville really could have been the Chosen One, but it was Voldemort's choice really that caused it to be Harry.  And it wasn't like Harry was really any smarter than the other kids at Hogwarts.  Good at flying and sports sure, but as Ron says the two of them wouldn't last very long without Hermione.  Nor was he really described to be the most attractive kid, either. 

It was nice to have a "chosen one" who wasn't perfect at everything.

MariaE:

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--- Quote from: mbbored on July 11, 2013, 09:58:38 PM ---<snip>
Guys, you may have talked me into this.

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PLEASE let me know what you think. I'd love to hear the groans and moans.

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Wow, just wow. Normally I have a glass of wine with my evening book but just the first chapter alone killed so many brain cells, I didn't want to impair my judgment further. My summary of the book:

Toll booth collector meets man in sketchy bathroom at a Medieval Times dinner theater, immediately goes into the stall with him and is magically transported to another century. Cool, let's play scrabble in a really improbable way! Oh no, she's stuck in the middle ages and has to be his harlot! Thank goodness she studied medieval stuff at fancy school. Oh well, as long as she has to have scrabble with bad dude, she's going to be the best. Let's use that convenient camping knowledge to build a torture rack in her bedroom. Bad dude turns out to love being submissive and assigns her a personal bodyguard to protect her. Even though she's not supposed to play scrabble with bodyguards, she immediately has very improbable scrabble with Darcy-like guard and they declare their undying love for each other.

Blah blah blah. She is so good at scrabble she becomes immortal and can travel through time. She challenges bad dude to a completely-not-racist-and-inoffensive yo mama contest in Trenton, NJ and they tie. Bad guy then jousts with his henchman/mortal enemy at Medieval Times place and instantly loses, so he dies. To celebrate, she and Mr. Darcy play scrabble in the back of her Geo Metro in a parking lot.

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I love yo momma jokes. I am so tempted to get this book just for that part, but considering the bookshelf of books I want to read that I haven't gotten to yet I think I will pass.

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I'm tempted too, but $5 for something that sounds that trashy? Nah.... Had it been one of Amazon's free or 99c books on the other hand...  ;)

whatsanenigma:

--- Quote from: mbbored on July 12, 2013, 04:25:11 PM ---
--- Quote from: cwm on July 12, 2013, 10:54:02 AM ---
--- Quote from: mbbored on July 11, 2013, 09:58:38 PM ---<snip>
Guys, you may have talked me into this.

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PLEASE let me know what you think. I'd love to hear the groans and moans.

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Wow, just wow. Normally I have a glass of wine with my evening book but just the first chapter alone killed so many brain cells, I didn't want to impair my judgment further. My summary of the book:

Toll booth collector meets man in sketchy bathroom at a Medieval Times dinner theater, immediately goes into the stall with him and is magically transported to another century. Cool, let's play scrabble in a really improbable way! Oh no, she's stuck in the middle ages and has to be his harlot! Thank goodness she studied medieval stuff at fancy school. Oh well, as long as she has to have scrabble with bad dude, she's going to be the best. Let's use that convenient camping knowledge to build a torture rack in her bedroom. Bad dude turns out to love being submissive and assigns her a personal bodyguard to protect her. Even though she's not supposed to play scrabble with bodyguards, she immediately has very improbable scrabble with Darcy-like guard and they declare their undying love for each other.

Blah blah blah. She is so good at scrabble she becomes immortal and can travel through time. She challenges bad dude to a completely-not-racist-and-inoffensive yo mama contest in Trenton, NJ and they tie. Bad guy then jousts with his henchman/mortal enemy at Medieval Times place and instantly loses, so he dies. To celebrate, she and Mr. Darcy play scrabble in the back of her Geo Metro in a parking lot.

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That sounds like bad fanfiction!  I might just have to read this myself.  For the lulz, of course.

Mental Magpie:
Un Lun Dun by China Miéville is the perfect example of the chosen one not being the chosen one; and it's a really good book besides.   

iridaceae:
Well in the Malloreon books the Voice that talks to Garion explains that there are specific reasons why things are written cryptically. Among other reasons,  the Voice and its counterpart don't want everyone who can reading finding and reading everything and mucking everything up.

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