News: IMPORTANT UPDATE REGARDING SITE IN FORUM ANNOUNCEMENT FOLDER.

  • May 23, 2018, 04:01:29 PM

Login with username, password and session length

Author Topic: Reading/Book Pet Peeves  (Read 1087065 times)

0 Members and 1 Guest are viewing this topic.

cwm

  • Member
  • Posts: 2337
Re: Reading/Book Pet Peeves
« Reply #1095 on: July 30, 2013, 03:04:40 PM »
I know the books are a snapshot, but come on....something HAS to go right for the guy every once in a while.

This is the biggest problem I have with most series. I don't mind angsty bad things happening, but give them a break SOMETIMES. I mean, even in Supernatural, Sam and Dean catch an odd break here and there.

Curious Cat

  • Member
  • Posts: 253
Re: Reading/Book Pet Peeves
« Reply #1096 on: July 30, 2013, 03:14:05 PM »
I know the books are a snapshot, but come on....something HAS to go right for the guy every once in a while.

This is the biggest problem I have with most series. I don't mind angsty bad things happening, but give them a break SOMETIMES. I mean, even in Supernatural, Sam and Dean catch an odd break here and there.

Till the wishes go bad, then they go REALLY bad.

goldilocks

  • Member
  • Posts: 865
Re: Reading/Book Pet Peeves
« Reply #1097 on: July 30, 2013, 05:24:35 PM »
I've just read the first 2 and I'm enjoying them.  However, I have noticed that he blames himself for everything.

This girl is asking him questions about rings, claiming she's just doing research.  He refuses to tell her because of the danger, and it turns out she was trying to trap a werewolf and got killed.  He blamed himself - saying that if he had given her the information she wanted, she'd still be alive.  I was thinking - maybe if she had been honest with him, he could have helped and still be alive!

Katana_Geldar

  • Member
  • Posts: 1530
Re: Reading/Book Pet Peeves
« Reply #1098 on: July 30, 2013, 05:31:15 PM »
There's also what happened to Susan...

lady_disdain

  • Member
  • Posts: 5872
    • Contemporary Jewelry
Re: Reading/Book Pet Peeves
« Reply #1099 on: July 30, 2013, 05:45:46 PM »
There's also what happened to Susan...

And other characters I won't mention...

Reika

  • Member
  • Posts: 3223
Re: Reading/Book Pet Peeves
« Reply #1100 on: July 30, 2013, 06:02:10 PM »
I am still quite early in the series (Summer Knight) and I have already noticed that tendency as well as the tendency to take blame for everything that happens to everyone.

He is kind of like that, I agree, but I still think they're really good books.  If you're looking for a similar kind of story without all of the "Oh, no, I had to kill someone and I feel horrible even though I totally had to kill him or risk the world!" look to Kevin Hearne's Iron Druid series.

I read the Iron Druid series, but I quite after book 4, I think it was. For someone supposedly as old as the druid is, he acts more like a brainless 21 year old.

As for Dresden...well I have the tendency to blame myself for everything too, so that might be why I like that series.

Mental Magpie

  • Member
  • Posts: 4138
Re: Reading/Book Pet Peeves
« Reply #1101 on: July 30, 2013, 06:53:41 PM »
I am still quite early in the series (Summer Knight) and I have already noticed that tendency as well as the tendency to take blame for everything that happens to everyone.

He is kind of like that, I agree, but I still think they're really good books.  If you're looking for a similar kind of story without all of the "Oh, no, I had to kill someone and I feel horrible even though I totally had to kill him or risk the world!" look to Kevin Hearne's Iron Druid series.

I read the Iron Druid series, but I quite after book 4, I think it was. For someone supposedly as old as the druid is, he acts more like a brainless 21 year old.

As for Dresden...well I have the tendency to blame myself for everything too, so that might be why I like that series.

I think it makes sense that he does.  The difference between him and a 21 year old is that he's earned the right to be arrogant.

Reika

  • Member
  • Posts: 3223
Re: Reading/Book Pet Peeves
« Reply #1102 on: July 30, 2013, 07:03:15 PM »

I think it makes sense that he does.  The difference between him and a 21 year old is that he's earned the right to be arrogant.

It's not wholly the arrogance, it's the fact that he doesn't seem to think anything through before doing it.

Tea Drinker

  • Member
  • Posts: 2225
  • Now part of Team Land Crab
Re: Reading/Book Pet Peeves
« Reply #1103 on: July 30, 2013, 08:16:27 PM »
To quote a different set of writing advice: "Break any of these rules sooner than write something barbarous."
Any advice that requires the use of a time machine may safely be ignored.

Twik

  • Member
  • Posts: 29055
Re: Reading/Book Pet Peeves
« Reply #1104 on: July 31, 2013, 11:56:05 AM »
To quote a different set of writing advice: "Break any of these rules sooner than write something barbarous."

Or dull.

The rules given above, however, are mainly aimed at what is really bad, amateurish writing, such as overuse of clichés, wild generalizations, etc. A good writer can pull off tricks like turning a cliché on its head, but even the best of them have to go back and realize that a sentence like "'Be back before bedtime!' Bob barked,'" needs to be rewritten, and that all of us have our own little box of clichés that we need to keep closed most of the time.
"The sky's the limit. Your sky. Your limit. Now, let's dance!"

lady_disdain

  • Member
  • Posts: 5872
    • Contemporary Jewelry
Re: Reading/Book Pet Peeves
« Reply #1105 on: July 31, 2013, 02:18:34 PM »
The difference, I think, is that using cliches, generalizations, etc, automatically, without thought, generally leads to bad writing. Deliberately breaking the rules for an effect is completely different.

KenveeB

  • Member
  • Posts: 8861
Re: Reading/Book Pet Peeves
« Reply #1106 on: July 31, 2013, 05:54:02 PM »
The difference, I think, is that using cliches, generalizations, etc, automatically, without thought, generally leads to bad writing. Deliberately breaking the rules for an effect is completely different.

Yes. My English teacher always said, "You have to know the rules before you can break them."

Cherry91

  • Member
  • Posts: 611
Re: Reading/Book Pet Peeves
« Reply #1107 on: August 02, 2013, 10:19:17 AM »
The thing I hate the most is when an author abruptly ruins characterisation to force the plot along.

Eg, in an awful lot of novels, the romance subplot will be a love triangle, or even a shape with more sides like that. Character A is admired by characters B and C, and the author makes both would be paramours attractive and likeable to justify A's struggle to choose.

Then A decides she likes B more, and so C becomes a total jerk to justify A choosing B.

This seems to especially be the case where the fans' favourite and the triumphant suitor aren't the same person...
All will be well, and all manner of things will be well.

Twik

  • Member
  • Posts: 29055
Re: Reading/Book Pet Peeves
« Reply #1108 on: August 02, 2013, 10:45:57 AM »
The thing I hate the most is when an author abruptly ruins characterisation to force the plot along.

Eg, in an awful lot of novels, the romance subplot will be a love triangle, or even a shape with more sides like that. Character A is admired by characters B and C, and the author makes both would be paramours attractive and likeable to justify A's struggle to choose.

Then A decides she likes B more, and so C becomes a total jerk to justify A choosing B.

This seems to especially be the case where the fans' favourite and the triumphant suitor aren't the same person...

If they have to do that, I wish they would at least set up what one commenter called The Other Guy (or Girl). So, C remains C, but D enters the picture, so we don't have to feel bad for C, because s/he has eyes for D by the end of the book.

It's a little over-neat as an  ending, but at least it keeps you from sobbing "But what about C???!?" when A and B drive off into the sunset (particularly if you were hoping for A to pick C, who is clearly the better partner).
"The sky's the limit. Your sky. Your limit. Now, let's dance!"

Morrigan

  • Member
  • Posts: 711
    • Requests from the Reference Desk
Re: Reading/Book Pet Peeves
« Reply #1109 on: August 02, 2013, 12:13:07 PM »
The thing I hate the most is when an author abruptly ruins characterisation to force the plot along.

Eg, in an awful lot of novels, the romance subplot will be a love triangle, or even a shape with more sides like that. Character A is admired by characters B and C, and the author makes both would be paramours attractive and likeable to justify A's struggle to choose.

Then A decides she likes B more, and so C becomes a total jerk to justify A choosing B.

This seems to especially be the case where the fans' favourite and the triumphant suitor aren't the same person...

Richard?  Is that you?  :)