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Reika

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Re: Reading/Book Pet Peeves
« Reply #1125 on: August 07, 2013, 10:42:21 AM »
Who even  does that? I mean, I'll regularly respond to series I like, but I would never presume to tell the author what to do with his/her stories! It's not my character to say what to do with it. If I don't like it, I can go read something else.

Wow, my head hurts now.

Glad I'm not the only one who feels that way. From what I've seen on FanFiction.net, quite a few writers get unreasonable requests.

Sometimes I will fill a request, but only if it's something I can comfortably fit into the setting I'm working on.

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« Reply #1126 on: August 07, 2013, 10:52:20 AM »
Most of my requests are along the lines of "This is great, you should write a sequel with XYZ!" Except I already wrote four sequels, including XYZ, several years ago. And they're all posted on the same page, so if they found the original, they would've seen the sequels if they just read the list of titles. Oookay, I'll get right on that. (Sidenote: It's WEIRD getting random feedback to a ten year old story! And ones complaining I got a fact wrong, in fanfiction, when that fact wasn't revealed until a few years after I wrote the fic.)

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Re: Reading/Book Pet Peeves
« Reply #1127 on: August 07, 2013, 11:01:54 AM »
I hate it when the female lead has guys after her, but isn't "aware" of their interests. Instead, she is constantly mentioning/saying how guys just don't "like her that way" and how she's a plain jane, etc.

Meanwhile 2+ guys are constantly asking her out, wooing her, etc.

It's just not believable and makes me want to beat the chick up for false modesty.

And this is why I firmly believe that romantic movies and books promote violence.  I have yet to see a romantic comedy without suppressing a strong urge to smack someone.   ;)

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« Reply #1128 on: August 07, 2013, 11:06:08 AM »
I hate it when the female lead has guys after her, but isn't "aware" of their interests. Instead, she is constantly mentioning/saying how guys just don't "like her that way" and how she's a plain jane, etc.

Meanwhile 2+ guys are constantly asking her out, wooing her, etc.

It's just not believable and makes me want to beat the chick up for false modesty.

And this is why I firmly believe that romantic movies and books promote violence.  I have yet to see a romantic comedy without suppressing a strong urge to smack someone.   ;)

Oh, I like romances and romantic comedies. But when the female lead complains how awkward and plain she is and she doesn't think guys like her when she's a size 2, everyone is constantly like "*eyeroll* but you're so pretty!" and she has guys falling all over themselves for her, it's just stupid.

I think they do this because they don't want the girl to come off vain, but there's nothing wrong with a woman who is attractive and smart enough to know it rather being SO VERY SHOCKED that guy 2 likes her and why would he and did she lead him on by flirting/hanging out exclusively/etc with him? Oh dear!

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Re: Reading/Book Pet Peeves
« Reply #1129 on: August 07, 2013, 11:29:45 AM »
Most of my requests are along the lines of "This is great, you should write a sequel with XYZ!" Except I already wrote four sequels, including XYZ, several years ago. And they're all posted on the same page, so if they found the original, they would've seen the sequels if they just read the list of titles. Oookay, I'll get right on that. (Sidenote: It's WEIRD getting random feedback to a ten year old story! And ones complaining I got a fact wrong, in fanfiction, when that fact wasn't revealed until a few years after I wrote the fic.)

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Glad I'm not the only one who feels that way. From what I've seen on FanFiction.net, quite a few writers get unreasonable requests.

Sometimes I will fill a request, but only if it's something I can comfortably fit into the setting I'm working on.

I sometimes write fanfiction, and a few years back I started a longer multi chapter piece. However, unfortunately writer's block struck, and I began to lose interest in the show the FF was from. I announced to those enquiring that I was very sorry but the piece would not be continued...

...and the next day, I had a message from another user (and not one I knew particularly well either) asking if I would give her the fanfic so she could finish it! As in, I'd send her the files and she'd continue the story under her own pen name!

Now, although writer's block had stopped my process, I knew how I'd have wanted it to end, so I wrote back and told her that her request wouldn't be possible, but if she wanted to write something based on the general theme and concept then to go ahead.

I know FF isn't like original works, and intellectual property can't be claimed (except in *some* very morally grey cases...), but the nerve of the request staggered me.
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Re: Reading/Book Pet Peeves
« Reply #1130 on: August 07, 2013, 11:33:40 AM »
Well, I think that was a case of someone wanting to write a fanfic of a fanfic.
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Re: Reading/Book Pet Peeves
« Reply #1131 on: August 07, 2013, 11:34:55 AM »
Most of my requests are along the lines of "This is great, you should write a sequel with XYZ!" Except I already wrote four sequels, including XYZ, several years ago. And they're all posted on the same page, so if they found the original, they would've seen the sequels if they just read the list of titles. Oookay, I'll get right on that. (Sidenote: It's WEIRD getting random feedback to a ten year old story! And ones complaining I got a fact wrong, in fanfiction, when that fact wasn't revealed until a few years after I wrote the fic.)

I've got that a few times.

Getting comments on old things is weird, especially since the story I wrote was fueled by lack of sleep, stress from finals, me getting over a nasty case of shingles, and needing a release. I honestly don't remember writing the story, nothing about it was familiar, but it was under my pen name and several friends at the time assured me that I ran it by them before publishing it, which is why their names were listed in the thanks.

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Re: Reading/Book Pet Peeves
« Reply #1132 on: August 07, 2013, 11:42:39 AM »
I've only just recently gotten into fanfiction (fanfiction.net and archiveofourown.org - are there other sites I should be tracking down?) but I can absolutely see how you'd get comments like that.  My first comment on my very first story was about when one of the characters does a magic spell - the commenter thought the flash of light should have been blue, not red, because of COURSE the character would use this other spell instead of the one I wrote.  (In a situation where both would have had the same result.)

I really can't see any other way to interpret that than "I know this fandom better than you do!"  Since then, I've had to suppress the urge several times to suggest if a particular commenter wants a story to have a specific plot, they're more than welcome to write it themselves - it's not like I own the characters!

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« Reply #1133 on: August 07, 2013, 12:02:23 PM »
I've only just recently gotten into fanfiction (fanfiction.net and archiveofourown.org - are there other sites I should be tracking down?) but I can absolutely see how you'd get comments like that.  My first comment on my very first story was about when one of the characters does a magic spell - the commenter thought the flash of light should have been blue, not red, because of COURSE the character would use this other spell instead of the one I wrote.  (In a situation where both would have had the same result.)

I really can't see any other way to interpret that than "I know this fandom better than you do!"  Since then, I've had to suppress the urge several times to suggest if a particular commenter wants a story to have a specific plot, they're more than welcome to write it themselves - it's not like I own the characters!

Dreamwidth can be good if you're looking for a specific fandom - a lot of fandoms have prompt memes on Dreamwidth, where you can suggest ideas for stories and people might pick them up.

Be warned, the prompt memes can often be very NSFW
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Re: Reading/Book Pet Peeves
« Reply #1134 on: August 07, 2013, 01:37:37 PM »
I've only just recently gotten into fanfiction (fanfiction.net and archiveofourown.org - are there other sites I should be tracking down?) but I can absolutely see how you'd get comments like that.  My first comment on my very first story was about when one of the characters does a magic spell - the commenter thought the flash of light should have been blue, not red, because of COURSE the character would use this other spell instead of the one I wrote.  (In a situation where both would have had the same result.)

I really can't see any other way to interpret that than "I know this fandom better than you do!"  Since then, I've had to suppress the urge several times to suggest if a particular commenter wants a story to have a specific plot, they're more than welcome to write it themselves - it's not like I own the characters!

Dreamwidth can be good if you're looking for a specific fandom - a lot of fandoms have prompt memes on Dreamwidth, where you can suggest ideas for stories and people might pick them up.

Be warned, the prompt memes can often be very NSFW

That's the main reason I migrated from fanfiction.net to AO3 - what's the point of fanfiction if there's no smut?   >:D

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« Reply #1135 on: August 07, 2013, 02:19:26 PM »
I've only just recently gotten into fanfiction (fanfiction.net and archiveofourown.org - are there other sites I should be tracking down?) but I can absolutely see how you'd get comments like that.  My first comment on my very first story was about when one of the characters does a magic spell - the commenter thought the flash of light should have been blue, not red, because of COURSE the character would use this other spell instead of the one I wrote.  (In a situation where both would have had the same result.)

I really can't see any other way to interpret that than "I know this fandom better than you do!"  Since then, I've had to suppress the urge several times to suggest if a particular commenter wants a story to have a specific plot, they're more than welcome to write it themselves - it's not like I own the characters!

Dreamwidth can be good if you're looking for a specific fandom - a lot of fandoms have prompt memes on Dreamwidth, where you can suggest ideas for stories and people might pick them up.

Be warned, the prompt memes can often be very NSFW

That's the main reason I migrated from fanfiction.net to AO3 - what's the point of fanfiction if there's no smut?   >:D

I completely agree, but I don't like to make assumptions.  >:D
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Re: Reading/Book Pet Peeves
« Reply #1136 on: August 07, 2013, 05:21:54 PM »
Since we're on fanfiction and reviewers of such-

I'm not sure what's worse/funnier, the guy who reviewed one of my slash fics with "that's so g*y", or the chick to went and reviewed another slash fic of mine with a complaint about how horrible people were to be writing non-canon ships, as well as a list of ships that were canon and therefor acceptable*.



*two of these ships involved the boys in my fic, one of them lasted for two days and went scary far before the girl Boy A had been seeing realized he'd been horribly using her and broke completely (she'd been screwed up before then) so I don't see where there's room for fluff-fic of them
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Re: Reading/Book Pet Peeves
« Reply #1137 on: August 07, 2013, 05:29:12 PM »

I really can't see any other way to interpret that than "I know this fandom better than you do!"  Since then, I've had to suppress the urge several times to suggest if a particular commenter wants a story to have a specific plot, they're more than welcome to write it themselves - it's not like I own the characters!

I have told people to write their stories if they don't like how mine is going.

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« Reply #1138 on: August 07, 2013, 05:37:34 PM »
Since we're on fanfiction and reviewers of such-

I'm not sure what's worse/funnier, the guy who reviewed one of my slash fics with "that's so g*y", or the chick to went and reviewed another slash fic of mine with a complaint about how horrible people were to be writing non-canon ships, as well as a list of ships that were canon and therefor acceptable*.

I was reading some fanfic that was clearly labeled as AU (alternate universe) and changed the fundamental nature of the relationship between two of the main characters. The writer had a whole series of these stories. Personally, they didn't work for me, but I love how creative and freeform fanfic can be, so I was cool with the basic idea. Why not try it, right? Well, another person who read them posted increasingly negative comments on them--basically, they just couldn't see that relationship actually happening that way, and since the writer had "some talent," they should really just try writing the relationship as it was in canon.  :o

I thought that was a pretty awful thing to say, about free stories that no one has to read. I know some writers put notes saying they really, truly want constructive criticism but I don't think this writer said that, and anyway there were a lot better ways to say what the commenter said. I don't think I would ever criticize the fundamental creative idea someone had, unless it was truly offensive (or maybe point out that it wasn't as unique as they thought it was, but emphasize that they could surely bring something new to it). If they really wanted constructive criticism I would mention things like grammar or plot holes or pacing. But to say, "I really don't like how you turned the main characters into vampire squid. I just can't see it. But you have some talent, so why don't you just try writing them normally?" Lots of people can write them normally! But how many thought of writing them as vampire squid, huh?
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Re: Reading/Book Pet Peeves
« Reply #1139 on: August 08, 2013, 12:36:25 AM »
Who even  does that? I mean, I'll regularly respond to series I like, but I would never presume to tell the author what to do with his/her stories! It's not my character to say what to do with it. If I don't like it, I can go read something else.

Fanfic readers do that. It happens to "normally" published creators, too, but from everything I've seen it's much more common in fanfic. I think it's partially that most fanfic writers are heavily involved in the fandom and thus more approachable, and that since fanfic is about non-original characters who were created by other people some fans feel that gives them just as much right to say how a story should go as the actual author. Me, I've often felt a given fic has various people ridiculously out of character, but I just stop reading. I don't email the author and tell him he's doing it wrong.

With my own fanfic I've only ever gotten two ridiculous demands from readers. One was a young lady who felt she'd waited long enough for me to finish a fic I'd left hanging, so she threatened to decapitate her cousin's teddy bear, Mandy, if I didn't get it in gear and finish the story. I thought that was very sweet. Psychotic, but sweet. And it did get me to finish the story, which was probably rewarding the wrong behavior.

The other was a weird ranty email from a guy who wanted me to have an adult character have sex with an underage character. I ignored him and he went away. He later became mildly infamous for demanding the same thing of many, many writers in that fandom, and would escalate when he was ignored rather than turn his attention elsewhere. I always wondered if he just hadn't yet completely lost his mind when he contacted me, and that's why he let it drop, or if he didn't think I was worth the effort of cyber-stalking to assure my obedience. I felt kind of insulted, really.