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Re: Reading/Book Pet Peeves
« Reply #2010 on: April 27, 2014, 05:24:03 PM »
Not to mention, Romeo and Juliet didn't have much time to enjoy their love, did they? Like, maybe a week?
There's a fantastic romance: you'll obsess over each other, and die soon. The End.

Well, I've got to honestly say that it's a better romance than "love the one you're with".
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« Reply #2011 on: April 27, 2014, 09:50:54 PM »
Came across another one today: either quoting poetry incorrectly, or using it incorrectly. Like taking a love poem that's very possessive or satirical, and using it as an example of "romance." Or even incorporating other novels/literature as source material without really understanding it. Like using a novel that is about a dysfunctional relationship as an example of "romance." Understand the source material you're invoking!

Can we please please have some example quotes?

Not the OP, but I know for me I honestly don't understand why people consider "Wuthering Heights" to be so romantic when it strikes me as being incredibly dysfunctional.

Also makes me think of people using "Every Breath You Take" as a song for their first dance. Or "We've Got Tonight".

Anyone who tries to compare themselves to Romeo and Juliet - "So you're 13 and 16 respectively and several people are going to die?"

And this is why I love this quote:

"Forget Romeo and Juliet, I want a love like Gomes and Morticia."

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« Reply #2012 on: April 27, 2014, 10:34:11 PM »
Came across another one today: either quoting poetry incorrectly, or using it incorrectly. Like taking a love poem that's very possessive or satirical, and using it as an example of "romance." Or even incorporating other novels/literature as source material without really understanding it. Like using a novel that is about a dysfunctional relationship as an example of "romance." Understand the source material you're invoking!

Can we please please have some example quotes?

Not the OP, but I know for me I honestly don't understand why people consider "Wuthering Heights" to be so romantic when it strikes me as being incredibly dysfunctional.

Also makes me think of people using "Every Breath You Take" as a song for their first dance. Or "We've Got Tonight".

Anyone who tries to compare themselves to Romeo and Juliet - "So you're 13 and 16 respectively and several people are going to die?"

And this is why I love this quote:

"Forget Romeo and Juliet, I want a love like Gomes and Morticia."

I hear you! :)

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« Reply #2013 on: April 27, 2014, 10:40:08 PM »
Came across another one today: either quoting poetry incorrectly, or using it incorrectly. Like taking a love poem that's very possessive or satirical, and using it as an example of "romance." Or even incorporating other novels/literature as source material without really understanding it. Like using a novel that is about a dysfunctional relationship as an example of "romance." Understand the source material you're invoking!

Can we please please have some example quotes?
Popular songs that compare one's love for another to Romeo and Juliet.  Remember what happened to them?  They died.  Is that really what the singer intends to evoke, dumb teens who kill themselves over a dead lover?  BTW, Shakespeare didn't intend R&J to be a romantic tragedy.  It was a cautionary tale -- see, kids, here's what happens when you let yourself be carried away by lust of the eye, instead of letting your parents arrange a good match for you. 
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« Reply #2014 on: April 27, 2014, 10:47:39 PM »
I always thought it was about the dangers of haste, and of getting too carried away with feuds can have tragic consequences. At least that's what the Prince says at the end of the play.

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« Reply #2015 on: April 28, 2014, 06:25:22 AM »
Came across another one today: either quoting poetry incorrectly, or using it incorrectly. Like taking a love poem that's very possessive or satirical, and using it as an example of "romance." Or even incorporating other novels/literature as source material without really understanding it. Like using a novel that is about a dysfunctional relationship as an example of "romance." Understand the source material you're invoking!

Can we please please have some example quotes?

Not the OP, but I know for me I honestly don't understand why people consider "Wuthering Heights" to be so romantic when it strikes me as being incredibly dysfunctional.

Also makes me think of people using "Every Breath You Take" as a song for their first dance. Or "We've Got Tonight".

Anyone who tries to compare themselves to Romeo and Juliet - "So you're 13 and 16 respectively and several people are going to die?"

And this is why I love this quote:

"Forget Romeo and Juliet, I want a love like Gomes and Morticia."

Oh YES! :D
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« Reply #2016 on: April 28, 2014, 07:31:55 AM »
Came across another one today: either quoting poetry incorrectly, or using it incorrectly. Like taking a love poem that's very possessive or satirical, and using it as an example of "romance." Or even incorporating other novels/literature as source material without really understanding it. Like using a novel that is about a dysfunctional relationship as an example of "romance." Understand the source material you're invoking!

Can we please please have some example quotes?

Not the OP, but I know for me I honestly don't understand why people consider "Wuthering Heights" to be so romantic when it strikes me as being incredibly dysfunctional.

People consider Wuthering Heights a romance?? I always considered it kind of a horror story with passion. It's one of my favorites, but I would never, ever call it a "romance." And anyone one who aspires to that kind of relationship - really? You want to be so full of bitterness and greed and passion that you destroy everyone around you, even each other? Yeah, that's romance.

Sam eith Romeo and Juliet. That's one of my least favorite of Shakespeare's plays - I think mainly because it is so overdone. And the insistance that it all happened because they were "so in love." No, it happened because they were teenagers with a couple of adults around them that were encouraging them because they thought it would unite the houses.


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« Reply #2017 on: April 28, 2014, 09:39:05 AM »
Came across another one today: either quoting poetry incorrectly, or using it incorrectly. Like taking a love poem that's very possessive or satirical, and using it as an example of "romance." Or even incorporating other novels/literature as source material without really understanding it. Like using a novel that is about a dysfunctional relationship as an example of "romance." Understand the source material you're invoking!

Can we please please have some example quotes?
Popular songs that compare one's love for another to Romeo and Juliet.  Remember what happened to them?  They died.  Is that really what the singer intends to evoke, dumb teens who kill themselves over a dead lover?  BTW, Shakespeare didn't intend R&J to be a romantic tragedy.  It was a cautionary tale -- see, kids, here's what happens when you let yourself be carried away by lust of the eye, instead of letting your parents arrange a good match for you.

No, that's not really what Shakespeare was writing about at all. He was actually writing about people who loved, who felt, so intensely, that they had more love in their short lives than most of us do in a lifetime.

But hey, as the Malvinas sing "Gone are the days when we would die for love - only freaks and weirdos do that stuff nowadays."

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Re: Reading/Book Pet Peeves
« Reply #2018 on: April 28, 2014, 10:27:13 AM »
Came across another one today: either quoting poetry incorrectly, or using it incorrectly. Like taking a love poem that's very possessive or satirical, and using it as an example of "romance." Or even incorporating other novels/literature as source material without really understanding it. Like using a novel that is about a dysfunctional relationship as an example of "romance." Understand the source material you're invoking!

Can we please please have some example quotes?
Popular songs that compare one's love for another to Romeo and Juliet.  Remember what happened to them?  They died.  Is that really what the singer intends to evoke, dumb teens who kill themselves over a dead lover?  BTW, Shakespeare didn't intend R&J to be a romantic tragedy.  It was a cautionary tale -- see, kids, here's what happens when you let yourself be carried away by lust of the eye, instead of letting your parents arrange a good match for you.

No, that's not really what Shakespeare was writing about at all. He was actually writing about people who loved, who felt, so intensely, that they had more love in their short lives than most of us do in a lifetime.

But hey, as the Malvinas sing "Gone are the days when we would die for love - only freaks and weirdos do that stuff nowadays."

How do we know what Shakespeare thought? Did he write it down somewhere that this is what he meant? If not then everyone's interpretation is fair.

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« Reply #2019 on: April 28, 2014, 10:35:09 AM »
Yeah the message of Romeo & Juliet is widely debated in literary circles. I don't think anyone has the "right" answer.

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« Reply #2020 on: April 28, 2014, 10:51:06 AM »
The funny thing I've found out about grammar is that it's very hard to explain why something is right or wrong sometime,so particularly to an non-native speaker.

I had a Spanish teacher who handwaved questions like "Why is 'mano' a feminine noun?" by saying "It sounds better to the Spanish ear."  Which is as good an explanation as any.
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« Reply #2021 on: April 28, 2014, 06:21:52 PM »
I'm currently helping out backstage at a production of Othello, and no work of Shakespeare save maybe The Taming of the Shrew annoys me more than this play!

I get that time is limited, but Othello goes from "I love Desdemona!" to "Desdemona is cheating on me! I'll kill her!" in a single scene! On nothing more than hearsay given to him by Iago. I know Iago has never given indication to anyone that he's a liar until he gets caught, but Othello is still far too easily swayed.

Also, Iago is very lucky to get away with his plotting as much as he does, considering if most of the main characters had just talked to each other, he'd have been majorly busted ("Why would Iago say I'm sneaking around meeting your wife when he's the one who told me to talk to her?" etc)
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« Reply #2022 on: April 28, 2014, 06:37:23 PM »
I'm currently helping out backstage at a production of Othello, and no work of Shakespeare save maybe The Taming of the Shrew annoys me more than this play!

I get that time is limited, but Othello goes from "I love Desdemona!" to "Desdemona is cheating on me! I'll kill her!" in a single scene! On nothing more than hearsay given to him by Iago. I know Iago has never given indication to anyone that he's a liar until he gets caught, but Othello is still far too easily swayed.

Also, Iago is very lucky to get away with his plotting as much as he does, considering if most of the main characters had just talked to each other, he'd have been majorly busted ("Why would Iago say I'm sneaking around meeting your wife when he's the one who told me to talk to her?" etc)

Othello's fatal flaw is jealousy. He's quick to believe that of Desdemona because he's naturally jealous. Plus, his temperament is mercurial.
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« Reply #2023 on: April 28, 2014, 06:56:40 PM »
For a really skewed take on "Wuthering Heights" look for a book called "Heroines."  The mother of the main character runs an inn in the middle of (I think) Nebraska, circa the 1970s or 80s.    Usually, they have regular, normal tourist-y type guests.   But every now and then a young women will show up : Scarlett O'Hara...or Frannie (with whom the very young heroine spends a lot of time)...or, yes, Catherine.  And Heathcliff himself comes looking for Catherine.  Our young heroine falls for him and ends up in an insane asylum  (which is a BIG fault of this book as it could NOT decide if it wanted to be a whimsical magical realism tale or, deity help us, "I Am The Cheese".   Eventually, she makes her way home and discovers that Healthcliff SPOILER is totally evil and a jerk and a r@pist and also her father.END SPOILER   

I really was loving the story right up until the mother tried to deny the fact that these heroines of literature just  walked  out of the walls from time to time and put her daughter in the "home" to keep her out of harm's way.  From that point it went from light and fluffy fun to over the top angst.  Which is a big peeve with me about some books that just can't find their tone.  Still, it wa a very interesting take of the Heathcliff/Cathy thing.

This does not stop me from thinking Emily B's sister wrote the most romantic gothic of all time....despite Rochester being just a more civilized version of Heathcliff...

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« Reply #2024 on: April 28, 2014, 07:34:47 PM »
Yeah the message of Romeo & Juliet is widely debated in literary circles. I don't think anyone has the "right" answer.

Reminds me of an English teacher who would tell us we were wrong if our interpretation of a poem or song was not what the author intended as the meaning behind it.

Makes me wonder how he knew for sure, especially as this was in the days before Google.  One of the songs he had us analyze was "The Rose".  I recall saying it was meant to be encouragement to one who had been badly hurt by love in the past, telling them they did have the ability to love if they found the right person, something like that.

Teacher said "nope, it's meant to be taken as a seduction, trying to lure a person into bed by convincing them they can love."

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