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White Dragon

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Re: S/O PD Student Darwinism
« Reply #360 on: March 29, 2013, 12:31:36 PM »
I can't believe I forgot about this.

Last year I opened an exam script worth 80% of their final grade. And in it I see the following; "I don't think it's fair for students to get grades so instead of answering the questions I'm going to draw a picture of Homer Simpson" and below was a really bad drawing of Homer Simpson and a Duck.  ???

I did something sort of similar, but I fully expected to get 0 marks on the question.
It was a math class that I was enjoying, but really didn't understand. (I still think that matrix algebra is cool, I just can't do it!)

So on test, I was totally at a loss on how to solve the problem. So instead I wrote "I'm not sure, but I think this is a rare species of South American tree frog."

The prof told me he liked my response, and no, I did not get any marks for it.  :D
I got a D in that class...which may have been generous.
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Re: S/O PD Student Darwinism
« Reply #361 on: March 29, 2013, 01:38:35 PM »
Remembering some SD from when I was in grad school, teaching a class.

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This one class was senior level, engineering. I kept my advisor's policies, because I liked them.  One of them was that homework and projects were 40% of the grade. The idea was that real-life engineering isn't about being able to solve test questions in an hour, but about working out solutions.

There was a guy in one class whose brother owned an engineering firm in Big Town An Hour Away. He was already working full time for his brother, and rarely came to classes.  I told him after the first test that he wasn't going to pass if he didn't start handing in homework.  At midterm I told him the same (and submitted something to the school that he was failing).  There was a group project, and his teammates reported that he never showed up to the working sessions they had, and never contributed to it, so he got a zero.

Come the end of the semester, and he was shocked that he'd failed and was not going to graduate.  He begged to be allowed to do all the homework and turn it in over Christmas break. His brother tried to raise heck with the school, saying the kid already knew enough and just needed the dipoloma.  My advisor stood behind me, though.  I don't remember where he ended up, but he didn't take the class again with me, and it was required for the track he was on.

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Speaking of the group project, it was big part of that 40% (20%, my shaky memory says).  I'm not a fan of group projects, but depending on what you do, engineers need to be able to work with each other.  There were two versions of the project that my advisor alternated between, and I continued to use. Each semester the numbers in the project , and the type of analysis/results wanted to be shown in the report would be changed. 

One year, as I was grading the projects, there was one that was odd. The numbers were really wrong, and the guys had included some graphs that I hadn't asked for....this year.   I went to my collection of previous years' projects, and found one that was identical in the numbers and analysis.  The written parts were new, but the numbers were the same (as in, they just printed out the previous student's files).

I wrote a big red "0" on it.  One of the guys came to me and said it was his fault.   He'd had the job of crunching the numbers, and he didn't leave enough time so he just used his roomate's file and hadn't told the others.  I wasn't impressed with the whole group -- the idea wasn't that one person did all the engineering and the others wrote a few paragraphs. Again, they tried to appeal and were lucky not to be tossed out (my advisor convinced them to take the zero and not go higher than him).  They were all smart guys, but kinda dumb too.

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Re: S/O PD Student Darwinism
« Reply #362 on: March 29, 2013, 10:14:25 PM »
A former volunteer gave her Master's Thesis to the library.  It was a horror.

The paper was padded to within an inch of its life. It was about the  Egyptian Book of the Dead and every time this was mentioned, 'Le Livre des Mortes' was added get a few more words in and sound multi-lingual.

  Every other page was a full-page illustration that added nothing to the text.  The grammar was atrocious and a lot of the paper was factually incorrect.  My High School wouldn't have given credit for it. 

I couldn't believe that any self-respecting Grad School would have accepted the thing.  I came to the conclusion that the school just wanted to get rid of her.

Come to think of it, the library was happy to lose her as a volunteer.
Did the thesis actually have a signed page in it? Because the binding companies will bind anything you want bound, they don't care. I'm wondering if her thesis committee rejected the mess, and she had it bound up, anyway, and wanted to get it into a library somewhere, even if her own school wouldn't accept it.

If, by any chance, you still have the title and author name, I will happily test this theory by running it through Dissertation Abstracts (if you don't have access to that).

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Re: S/O PD Student Darwinism
« Reply #363 on: March 30, 2013, 12:52:03 AM »
I've had a few good ones this year, but my kids are only in the 7th grade, so... I'm hoping they can learn some valuable lessons.

Two kids this year failed their geologic time project for plagiarism.  One kid took his zero quite meekly, the other absolutely insisted the "research" presented was his own work.  I pulled up the website and explained that unless he also wrote for the paleontology department at Berkeley, no, the project was in no way in his own words.  I have a lot of kids that are talented writers, but if you start using college-level terminology and phrasing to explain a concept simplified for the 7th grade, I'm going to start typing your stuff into google. 

I asked the following question on a quiz this year:

- Describe the difference between iron and steel.

The answer I was looking for is that iron is an element and steel is an alloy.  This was one answer I got:

- Steel is when you take something that doesn't belong to you.  Iron is what you use to get the wrinkles out.

I LOL'd a lot at that one.

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Re: S/O PD Student Darwinism
« Reply #364 on: March 30, 2013, 06:38:06 AM »
Jocelyn, it did have a signed page but the whole thing was decidedly fishy. 

The professor who signed off on the paper was later fired from two museums for shady dealings. He still shows up from time to time on NatGeo.

  The copy we received was photocopied on standard paper.  It wasn't bound. 

I worked with Dissertation Abstracts for about 20 years and this one never showed up.  Believe me, we looked for it. 

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Re: S/O PD Student Darwinism
« Reply #365 on: March 30, 2013, 11:46:55 AM »
Thipu1,
GMTA.  ::)

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Re: S/O PD Student Darwinism
« Reply #366 on: March 30, 2013, 05:19:25 PM »
Not going to be SD, but super annoying- one of Simkin's students from multiple semesters ago apparently went and whined to another professor in his department about the fact that her grade(again, from a few semesters ago) will apparently keep her from graduating with a 4.0.

So said professor is now leaning on Simkin and his co- teacher from the course to change her grade.


And this is Graduate Level stuff, too. An adult with a career is whinging about not getting a 4.0 cumulative.
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Re: S/O PD Student Darwinism
« Reply #367 on: March 30, 2013, 06:06:31 PM »
Not going to be SD, but super annoying- one of Simkin's students from multiple semesters ago apparently went and whined to another professor in his department about the fact that her grade(again, from a few semesters ago) will apparently keep her from graduating with a 4.0.

So said professor is now leaning on Simkin and his co- teacher from the course to change her grade.


And this is Graduate Level stuff, too. An adult with a career is whinging about not getting a 4.0 cumulative.

Well, I did burst into tears when I realized I was going to blow my 4.0 GPA, though I did it before the class was actually over, and I did it in the professor's office.  It turned out it was a good thing.  This class was a combined Graduate/Sr. Undergraduate course, with slightly different expectations for each level.  The prof had been grading me like I was a grad student, and I was only a Jr. undergrad.  Before it was all worked out, I was sure I was committing SD by crying.
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Re: S/O PD Student Darwinism
« Reply #368 on: April 03, 2013, 09:19:53 PM »
The class I mentioned up the thread a bit now only allows quizzes and homework to be done or submitted after the lecture. It is baffling to me how any student in the class expects to pass without being present for the lectures, which are not available except for being physically in the room. There is no powerpoint or video to watch. No recording or photography is allowed due to the subject matter. There is a quiz every week on the lecture content.

The mid-term essay was based on four of the lectures. We did not know which one of the 8 lectures would be included, and you had to write on the spot during the class time. The median grade was 81, out of 300 students. I earned a 92 because I had attended all the lectures, taken notes, and read the book.
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Re: S/O PD Student Darwinism
« Reply #369 on: April 03, 2013, 10:29:01 PM »
Not only student but professional Darwinism for someone

A Junior was taking a field test of the new STAAR exam. It doesn't count towards his graduation (he is under TAKS the old test the new system only applies to sophmores down).

He wrote a protest on his test including YOLO and  - took a picture and tweeted/posted it.

1. Even in elementary we are supposed to confiscate all phones before the test the desk are supposed to be empty and no bags or purses near them.

2. ACTIVE MONITORING - You can't do anything but stare at students while they test. Someone didn't see him do this.

TEA is going to have a field day with this.



Forgot the link
http://www.star-telegram.com/2013/04/02/4745499/arlington-high-student-tweets.html
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Re: S/O PD Student Darwinism
« Reply #370 on: April 04, 2013, 10:54:06 AM »
I really hope the kid doesn't get into any more trouble.  He had a perfectly valid point and frankly, his protest was also fairly valid.

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Re: S/O PD Student Darwinism
« Reply #371 on: April 04, 2013, 11:44:27 AM »
Tweeting a photo of an answer sheet is not "valid". It may, in fact, invalidate the entire test for everyone. Particularly, if he had been told not to bring in a cell phone in the first place.
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Re: S/O PD Student Darwinism
« Reply #372 on: April 04, 2013, 11:49:28 AM »
Yeah but the way he did it was absolutely stupid.
Here that would be seen as cheating, and if you cheat during this kind of exam you can be banned from taking any kind of state approved exam for a period of three years (that includes driver permit test) or not being allowed to register in any higher education establishment for a year.
You can protest all you want, but with this kind of rules you better do it wisely.

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Re: S/O PD Student Darwinism
« Reply #373 on: April 04, 2013, 02:24:22 PM »
I really hope the kid doesn't get into any more trouble.  He had a perfectly valid point and frankly, his protest was also fairly valid.

He may have had a point about taking an exam that doesn't "count" for anything for him - but Tweeting the photo was about as smart as sawing a limb off a tree while you're sitting on the side away from the tree trunk......

It demonstrated that he disregarded rules and brought a cell phone in with him that was internet capable & had a camera (violation in almost any testing facility I've been in).

It demonstrated that he didn't THINK about being accused of letting other people cheat off his test or publicizing the questions on at least part of the test by posting that photo on the internet.

So - he looses the internets.....

As to his ability to think logically.....the less said, the better.
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Re: S/O PD Student Darwinism
« Reply #374 on: April 04, 2013, 02:46:25 PM »
He also demonstrated that the people monitoring were not doing their job.

Seems to be a clear demo that they were wasting the student's time, if the students are expected to take it seriously but the proctors are not.