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Re: S/O PD Student Darwinism
« Reply #765 on: October 24, 2013, 06:22:31 PM »
One of my teachers had open-book open-note finals. The final was comprehensive for the entire year, and she had learned that the people who had studied knew exactly where to look for the exact answers they needed while the people who hadn't were flailing.

I had a college proessor who let us take notes into our tests. But this was a listening exam for music. We had a list of all the pieces in her "library" for the test and could make any notes we wanted except musical notation. Then she'd play them and we'd have to know which piece and composer it was. I look back on my notes for that course and laugh. "Spiky in the middle, with some angry blue notes, but every few measures it pauses to take a breath before starting up the rant again."
Ok now I'm just going to obsess about this...Rimsky-Korsakov "Flight of the Bumblebee", Gioachino Rossini "William Tell Overture"...what is it?!?!?!?
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« Reply #766 on: October 24, 2013, 09:01:57 PM »
When one student was last in a line of five people to use the bathroom, he complained when I suggested he go before the exam. Is it asking much of the average person to wait to go to the toilet for three hours?

I've lost sympathy for them when obebofvthe students said he needed to go abd he was one of the ones with a phone.

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« Reply #767 on: October 24, 2013, 09:25:58 PM »
When one student was last in a line of five people to use the bathroom, he complained when I suggested he go before the exam. Is it asking much of the average person to wait to go to the toilet for three hours?

I've lost sympathy for them when obebofvthe students said he needed to go abd he was one of the ones with a phone.

It's too much to ask of me.

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« Reply #768 on: October 24, 2013, 09:28:01 PM »
When one student was last in a line of five people to use the bathroom, he complained when I suggested he go before the exam. Is it asking much of the average person to wait to go to the toilet for three hours?

I've lost sympathy for them when obebofvthe students said he needed to go abd he was one of the ones with a phone.

Yes, it is asking too much. Even if a person would usually be fine for that length of time, sometimes exam nerves and all the pre-exam caffeine aren't helpful in this regard. Perhaps the person has her period. Or this might just be how that individual's body normally works. Even if they went to the loo beforehand.

I would find it really offensive if an invigilator commented about my needing a toilet break. It is really none of their business why I need to go. I think the last time someone asked me why I didn't go before some major event (usually a car trip) it was my mother and I was probably eight.

Realise it is frustrating to catch out so many cheaters but at least some who put their hand up to request a bathroom break are going to be genuine. Surely it's possible to treat the students respectfully while still being vigilant about cheating?


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Re: S/O PD Student Darwinism
« Reply #769 on: October 24, 2013, 09:44:48 PM »
I do try to, but it is a bit much when students ask to use the toilet 5 minutes after they get their paper.

It looks like our vigilance has paid off though. In our room (biggest one) we didn't have a single case of cheating or talking. Though I had one student writing after the end, I even saw him pick up his pen after putting it down to write.

Last exam and then I get to go home.

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« Reply #770 on: October 24, 2013, 10:34:01 PM »
Three hours would be way too much for me during the daytime.  Even a 2-hour movie is sometimes too much.  I drink a lot, I have a small bladder, and I have trouble ignoring a need to go.  It would *really* distract me if I had to go and wasn't allowed to.   I sort of agree about needing to go 5 minutes before the test starts, except that it might really be nerves, or maybe they were afraid to go right before the test started and miss getting into the test classroom, etc.  It does sound like cheating is rampant in that school, though, so I can see taking extra precautions.  And I agree about international students/recent immigres, that the culture back home is often different in terms of what is considered cheating, plagiarism, etc., and sometimes there's an adjustment period before they figure out what is expected in the new country.

It makes sense to me to not allow students to leave in the last 15 minutes, because students who need most of the time allocated will often be hurrying to finish, possibly going back to problems they skipped before (and thus working on the very problems that are giving them the most trouble), etc., and it's definitely distracting to have other people leaving around you.  Not just the noise and commotion, but also the feeling that everybody else is already finished, you're obviously taking too long, etc.

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« Reply #771 on: October 24, 2013, 10:54:44 PM »
I had an astrophysics professor who would allow an 8.5"x11" sheet of paper, and gave awards after each exam for things like "most organized" and "most colorful"

I had a high school physics teacher who allowed one sheet of paper.  It does have to be one sheet, but he doesn't restrict the size.  One year, apparently two students brought in whole scrolls.  They got two of the worst grades in the class because they didn't know enough to know what on their sheets they needed to look for to solve the problems.

I used mine for the formulas, and a quick note about them, since I'm awful about remembering formulas.



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« Reply #772 on: October 25, 2013, 11:08:23 AM »
One of my teachers had open-book open-note finals. The final was comprehensive for the entire year, and she had learned that the people who had studied knew exactly where to look for the exact answers they needed while the people who hadn't were flailing.

I had a college proessor who let us take notes into our tests. But this was a listening exam for music. We had a list of all the pieces in her "library" for the test and could make any notes we wanted except musical notation. Then she'd play them and we'd have to know which piece and composer it was. I look back on my notes for that course and laugh. "Spiky in the middle, with some angry blue notes, but every few measures it pauses to take a breath before starting up the rant again."
Ok now I'm just going to obsess about this...Rimsky-Korsakov "Flight of the Bumblebee", Gioachino Rossini "William Tell Overture"...what is it?!?!?!?

I honestly can't remember which piece it was, but it was a 20th century piece about the bombing of Nagasaki. The middle that was spiky was an airborne firefight, apparently.

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« Reply #773 on: October 25, 2013, 11:15:37 AM »
Three hours would be too long for me, too - apart from everything else, I have IBS, and pre-exam nerves used to make it worse.

I remember one time when my husband, two daughters, and I were about to take a 2.5 hour drive home.  Our hostess offered me coffee or tea for the road, and I said "No, thank you - if I have that, I'll have to stop at a gas station halfway home."  Meanwhile, my husband and daughters happily partook of the offered beverages.  Guess who was dying for a bathroom break less than an hour later?  Hint:  it wasn't them.   ::)

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Re: S/O PD Student Darwinism
« Reply #774 on: October 25, 2013, 11:19:53 AM »
One of my teachers had open-book open-note finals. The final was comprehensive for the entire year, and she had learned that the people who had studied knew exactly where to look for the exact answers they needed while the people who hadn't were flailing.

I had a college proessor who let us take notes into our tests. But this was a listening exam for music. We had a list of all the pieces in her "library" for the test and could make any notes we wanted except musical notation. Then she'd play them and we'd have to know which piece and composer it was. I look back on my notes for that course and laugh. "Spiky in the middle, with some angry blue notes, but every few measures it pauses to take a breath before starting up the rant again."
Ok now I'm just going to obsess about this...Rimsky-Korsakov "Flight of the Bumblebee", Gioachino Rossini "William Tell Overture"...what is it?!?!?!?

I honestly can't remember which piece it was, but it was a 20th century piece about the bombing of Nagasaki. The middle that was spiky was an airborne firefight, apparently.

Threnody to the Victims of Hiroshima?

(Sorry, I used Wikipedia.)
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Re: S/O PD Student Darwinism
« Reply #775 on: October 25, 2013, 11:23:45 AM »
One of my teachers had open-book open-note finals. The final was comprehensive for the entire year, and she had learned that the people who had studied knew exactly where to look for the exact answers they needed while the people who hadn't were flailing.

I had a college proessor who let us take notes into our tests. But this was a listening exam for music. We had a list of all the pieces in her "library" for the test and could make any notes we wanted except musical notation. Then she'd play them and we'd have to know which piece and composer it was. I look back on my notes for that course and laugh. "Spiky in the middle, with some angry blue notes, but every few measures it pauses to take a breath before starting up the rant again."
Ok now I'm just going to obsess about this...Rimsky-Korsakov "Flight of the Bumblebee", Gioachino Rossini "William Tell Overture"...what is it?!?!?!?

I honestly can't remember which piece it was, but it was a 20th century piece about the bombing of Nagasaki. The middle that was spiky was an airborne firefight, apparently.

Threnody to the Victims of Hiroshima?

(Sorry, I used Wikipedia.)

That's it exactly.

I'd have looked it up, but my mind has flown the coop entirely today.

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Re: S/O PD Student Darwinism
« Reply #776 on: October 25, 2013, 11:44:33 AM »
Actually, that is a brilliant description of music. I love the bit about "taking a breath before starting the rant again."
My cousin's memoir of love and loneliness while raising a child with multiple disabilities will be out on Amazon soon! Know the Night, by Maria Mutch, has been called "full of hope, light, and companionship for surviving the small hours of the night."

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Re: S/O PD Student Darwinism
« Reply #777 on: October 25, 2013, 12:50:05 PM »
Regarding bathroom breaks during exams:  It is common at many institutions to forbid breaks of any kind during an exam.  In some cases, breaks are allowed but only under escort. 

Those who require breaks for medical reasons must make arrangements through the centre for students with disabilities.  The student has a confidential meeting at the CSD, discusses his or her specific needs, provides the appropriate documentation, and then the CSD officer makes decisions around the necessary accommodations.  The student then notifies the professor of the accommodations.  If it's a matter of the student needing more frequent toilet breaks, s/he would probably write the exam separately from the other students but still under supervision.

The point is, university is for grown-ups, and grown-ups take responsibility for themselves.  If a student enrols in a class with a three-hour final, then the student needs to write that exam or fail the class.  A student who requires special accommodation for exams due to a disability or medical condition *is still responsible* for making the necessary arrangements.  Someone who is suffering due to poor planning gets to suffer.  That's called consequences. 

For the record, I'm writing this as a university instructor who's just filed a set of final grades.  Two students flunked out due to not doing the assigned homework.  As a result, they lost the points they would have gotten from those assignments and also did not build up the knowledge base or acquire the skills they needed to do well in their final.  Same thing: They suffered for their poor planning.  Cause, meet effect.


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Re: S/O PD Student Darwinism
« Reply #778 on: October 25, 2013, 03:08:45 PM »
At our school, once you open up the exam, whether it is electronically for laptop users or on paper for those writing, whatever gets finished before you leave for good or time is up is what you are graded on.  That's the same whether you used your laptop which broke with 15 minutes to go and can't recover the files of what you completed or if you were feeling sick, opened the exam and then passed out in 15 seconds - and yeah, they failed that guy and he had to take the class all over again.  Yes he was frustrated, but he admitted that he knew he was feeling sick before the exam started and had opted to stay anyways on the chance that he might be able to make it through the exam rather than have to take it on another day. 


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Re: S/O PD Student Darwinism
« Reply #779 on: October 25, 2013, 05:34:29 PM »
Re the bathroom breaks during exams, it must depend on where you are and what you're studying.

Both unis where I've recently taken exams (in Australia) have allowed toilet breaks without making students go through the disability office. They just take precautions about cheating. The exams have been in psychology, English lit. and philosophy and have lasted from 2-3 hours. There hasn't been a stampede of students heading for the loos in any of the sessions I've attended.

I'm a mature age student who studies hard, prepares thoroughly for exams and achieves excellent grades. Personally prefer not to lose exam time but I've still needed to go to the bathroom during at least a couple of exams over the past four years. I'm not sure how this could be a reflection on my level of maturity, ability to plan, or take responsibility.