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Re: An Adult Should Really Know This - Silly Things You've Had to Tell People
« Reply #1380 on: December 14, 2013, 07:54:35 PM »
I can also remember how people ranted about infant seats- how cruel it was to strap a baby in! Babies were much safer riding on their mothers' laps, as maternal instinct would compell a woman to hold onto the baby tightly and safely in an accident. Plus, it made it SO much easier to feed the baby en route.

Thus adding a lovely wodge of guilt to the grief, if you lost your grip and your child died in a car crash. Clearly you weren't a good mother, because you'd let go. (I remember car safety films that had to hammer on the idea that no matter how hard you tried, it just wasn't possible to keep an infant secure in your arms through anything more than the most minor fender-bender.)
Um-hm.  Barensmom, upthread, said:
 
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If I got bored, Pop would push his seat back a bit and he put me on his lap and "I'd drive."
Think what would have happened if they had been in an accident, or even a moderate fender-bender.  Barensmom would have been crushed between her Pop and the wheel.  How guilty would that have made him feel?
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« Reply #1381 on: December 14, 2013, 07:57:02 PM »
I think the article was in Childcraft (the book set that used to come with World Book Encyclopedia) on how to pack a car when traveling with a baby.   We had the 1963 edition, I believe - wish I could find that rascal now!

If I remember correctly, they suggested placing luggage on the floor between the back seat and front seats and covering everything with blankets and padding so the baby would have room to play and lie down if he got sleepy.   

Also, in a teen book from the period (Something Borrowed, Something Blue by Lenora Mattingly Weber), a young couple with a baby is going on a road trip.  The young man of the couple is very proud of how he has packed the back seat (using the crib mattress) so the baby could lie down and sleep.    The baby DID have a car seat but the author definitely states it is in the front seat, so I am sure it was the kind that just hooked over the seat back.

I suppose it seemed like a good idea then, but now - wowsers!

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« Reply #1382 on: December 14, 2013, 10:42:49 PM »
In the early 80's, my cousin was involved in an accident. (Right at sundown, driving west, he turned in front of another car. Technically, he was at fault, but the other driver did not have his lights on, so he was not ticketed.) The other car had a three year old asleep in the back seat. He was thrown into the floor, but unharmed. Unfortunately, his 9 month old sister was not so lucky. Mom was holding her in the front seat, and not wearing her own seat belt. She held on to the baby, but sadly hit the dash and crushed the baby, who died instantly.

The same year, a friend of mine and her husband and daughter were hit head on by a semi that went the wrong way down a divided highway. She and her husband were killed, but their baby girl survived. The baby was strapped in a car seat, between her parents on the seat of a pickup truck. The baby went through the windshield in her car seat, and except for minor cuts on her face, the car seat still protected her.

My kids always believed the car wouldn't start until everyone was strapped in.
If Timmy had had a Sheltie, he never would have fallen in that well!

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« Reply #1383 on: December 14, 2013, 10:56:51 PM »
Now we need to start a "buckle your dog" campaign.  It always makes me wince to see dogs unrestrained in a car.

Except the tests all show that every model of dog car harness in use today is totally ineffectual in a crash.

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« Reply #1384 on: December 15, 2013, 02:25:25 AM »
Now we need to start a "buckle your dog" campaign.  It always makes me wince to see dogs unrestrained in a car.

Except the tests all show that every model of dog car harness in use today is totally ineffectual in a crash.

They recently tested all the ones available in Australia and 2 passed, the most expensive and oddly, the cheapest. The rest were useless or actually dangerous.

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« Reply #1385 on: December 15, 2013, 02:38:47 AM »
Ineffective in protecting the dog, or in preventing the dog from harming people in the car? Or both?

We had car seats as children, and my parents were unusual in insisting that anyone trvalling in their car wore a seatbelt, well before they were legally required here.

 (I remember once, AFTER rear seatbelts became compulsory for children, one of my brother's friends refusing, when we picked him up to give him a lift somewhere. He was told the car didn't move unless everyone was strapped in. We were sitting outside his house and his dad came out to see why we had nt moved-and rather than telling his son to buckle up, tried to tell my mum to let him be. We left, without friend, shortly afterwards. )

I know that when my mum was a child, they see to travel with 3 children in the rear seat and the fourth sitting on a petrol can placed  between the front seats ... But that was in the 1950s

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« Reply #1386 on: December 15, 2013, 03:31:22 AM »
One of my mom's favorites:
"Let us fly!" said the flea.
"Let us flee!" said the fly.
So they flew to a flaw in the flue.

That's part of a longer limerick

A flea and a fly in a flue
Were imprisoned, so what could they do?
Said the fly, "let us flee!"
"Let us fly!" said the flea.
So they flew through a flaw in the flue.
Thanks! I always wondered where she got it from.

Have just recalled from childhood, an extremely silly (and perhaps slightly politically-incorrect -- forgiveable, I hope) joke.

Two insects of different kinds were crawling along; one overtook the other. What time was it in China?

Answer: Fly passed flea (five past three).

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« Reply #1387 on: December 15, 2013, 04:23:53 AM »
Ineffective in protecting the dog, or in preventing the dog from harming people in the car? Or both?


Both generally. The dog can become a projectile that can injure the people and itself. Not good for anyone human or dog involved.

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« Reply #1388 on: December 15, 2013, 08:54:52 AM »
I know that when my mum was a child, they see to travel with 3 children in the rear seat and the fourth sitting on a petrol can placed  between the front seats ... But that was in the 1950s


Yes, let's not only have your children unrestrained, but sitting on a potential bomb!
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« Reply #1389 on: December 15, 2013, 10:50:40 AM »
And in my childhood, my mother routinely had the grocery sacker put her groceries in the back seat. Tremendous potential for having cans-of-vegetables shrapnel in case of accident.  A one-pound can of green beans going at 30 mph, and hitting the driver in the head, is bound to cause a fatality.
And my mother was a science teacher! We just didn't think about things like that, back then.

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« Reply #1390 on: December 15, 2013, 12:07:46 PM »
I was born in '84, grew up with seatbelts and car seats until I was about six. Now here they make you have them until 12, and I've seen car seats that will last kids that long! 
How bizarre. I was taller at 10 than my niece is at 30. Seems funny not to specify by height, although then people like my niece would still have to ride in car seats!  ::)

Here it's 12years old or 135cm, I think my second was 11 before she got tall enough

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« Reply #1391 on: December 15, 2013, 04:57:45 PM »
I was born in '84, grew up with seatbelts and car seats until I was about six. Now here they make you have them until 12, and I've seen car seats that will last kids that long! 
How bizarre. I was taller at 10 than my niece is at 30. Seems funny not to specify by height, although then people like my niece would still have to ride in car seats!  ::)

Here it's 12years old or 135cm, I think my second was 11 before she got tall enough

My sister was 8 when that law was brought in, and already tall enough that she didn't need a child seat! 

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« Reply #1392 on: December 15, 2013, 08:14:17 PM »
I was born in '84, grew up with seatbelts and car seats until I was about six. Now here they make you have them until 12, and I've seen car seats that will last kids that long! 
How bizarre. I was taller at 10 than my niece is at 30. Seems funny not to specify by height, although then people like my niece would still have to ride in car seats!  ::)

They specify by weight in Minnesota, because I had a niece that wouldn't eat much, and Sis was concerned about her weight. She threatened her with (or pointed out that) the fact that she'd have to go back in a booster seat if she kept losing weight.

(there are at least 3 tiers--baby seat, car seat, booster seat, the booster being designed to help the seat belt fit you safely more than anything else.)

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« Reply #1393 on: December 15, 2013, 09:11:13 PM »
I think the article was in Childcraft (the book set that used to come with World Book Encyclopedia) on how to pack a car when traveling with a baby.   We had the 1963 edition, I believe - wish I could find that rascal now!

If I remember correctly, they suggested placing luggage on the floor between the back seat and front seats and covering everything with blankets and padding so the baby would have room to play and lie down if he got sleepy.   

Also, in a teen book from the period (Something Borrowed, Something Blue by Lenora Mattingly Weber), a young couple with a baby is going on a road trip.  The young man of the couple is very proud of how he has packed the back seat (using the crib mattress) so the baby could lie down and sleep.    The baby DID have a car seat but the author definitely states it is in the front seat, so I am sure it was the kind that just hooked over the seat back.

I suppose it seemed like a good idea then, but now - wowsers!

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When my sister and I were kids (I was 5-6, she was 7-8), we would spend almost every weekend at a little cabin my parents had, about 2 hours from town. Since the traffic could be terrible, my parents would leave very late at night. They would put down the back seat and there was a little "kit" for us: a thick pad would be placed on the back of the car, there were two little pillows and a sheet, so we would lie down and sleep all the way.

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« Reply #1394 on: December 15, 2013, 10:18:11 PM »
The thing is, you can certainly have an adult (especially a woman) who would be much safer in a booster seat.  There are grown women who are 4'8" and 90 pounds, that sort of thing.  Seatbelts are just not designed for somebody of that size.  They are good for a large span of sizes, but people who are at the very lower and upper ends aren't as safe.  That's why people who are larger often need seat belt extenders and things like that.  And people who are smaller... well, some certainly would do better in a booster seat.  However, since there's a certain point where it seems ridiculous to *require* an adult to sit in a booster seat, there's generally the option to either size out, or age out, whichever comes first.

I have a friend with a 9-year-old who was just recently looking into whether her daughter could dispense with the booster seat, and she found that she couldn't.  Her daughter just wasn't tall enough.  Her state didn't require it any longer at her daughter's age, but her daughter's height made a booster seat much safer.  So I guess she's in it for another year or so, at least.
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