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Re: An Adult Should Really Know This - Silly Things You've Had to Tell People
« Reply #2355 on: February 19, 2014, 05:43:34 AM »
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Yep. It can be tough, but there are 'goldilocks areas', temperate zones where life was pretty good.


Maybe so but I'm guessing other people where already there first and may not have been too thrilled to share with a stranger.

That's . . . a topic for discussion in another area. There is some dispute over who was actually here first.

As for me, I have no interest in having contact with anyone else if I could go back. I would be happy to just be me. And as Oz was very sparsely populated, being alone wouldn't be a problem.
I have absolutely never heard of 'goldilocks' areas and what does that even mean?

As to who settled here first, what has that got to do with surviving in the outback, or anywhere, actually?

For a really interesting insight to the Dreamtime (the mythical past) watch Ten Canoes, set approx 1000 years and maybe 10,000 years ago. Life was pretty brutal.

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« Reply #2356 on: February 19, 2014, 05:47:28 AM »
I have absolutely never heard of 'goldilocks' areas and what does that even mean?

As in the fairy tale, it is neither too hot nor too cold, but just right.

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« Reply #2357 on: February 19, 2014, 06:59:21 AM »
MP, KG, Jones -- I'm afraid there's no way that I would be a visitor to any of the outfits which you mention, even if folk tried to pay me to participate.  I just cannot handle Jane Austen: find her books unreadable.  I've tried, numerous times -- with there being so many people who praise her work to the skies -- and I've never been able to get beyond about page 20 in any of her novels.
I can't stand them either, had to switch mid month once in AP English because I wasn't going to finish the Austen book I had chosen for that month's study. if it hadn't been a book club book I wouldn't have read the modern version anyway, so it's not the old fashioned English, I maintain it's the stories somehow.
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« Reply #2358 on: February 19, 2014, 07:09:26 AM »
I have absolutely never heard of 'goldilocks' areas and what does that even mean?

As in the fairy tale, it is neither too hot nor too cold, but just right.

I've heard it more for planets than on our planet, but same concept. If you're looking for habitable planets, you have to look in the Goldilocks zone of not too hot (all water is steam) and not too cold (all water is ice). In that zone, you might find something habitable, like Earth. :)

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« Reply #2359 on: February 19, 2014, 08:11:23 AM »
When they are in court he and the prosecutor keep referring to each other as "learned", pronouncing both syllables. It cracks me up because it's sort passive-aggressive or sarcastic or whatever, but it's also because they do, in fact, have great respect for each other.

2 interesting facts for you.

1. Professionals at the bar table refer to each other as their "friend" if the person being referred to is a solicitor, and their "learned friend" if that person is a barrister.

2. For some reason, it is always pronounced "learn-ed" in this context.  Its not PA or sarcastic at all.  Its just how its done.

Oh! I just assumed it was sort of sarcastic because, well, because their tone sort of sounded that way in the movie. Probably just my interpretation. But also because Charles Laughton plays a character that is constantly spewing out sarcasm. In a funny way of course. I mean, I love that movie and Laughton's character, while gruff and sarcastic and seemingly intolerant is also incredibly smart and funny. It's one of those movies where all the characters are very well played and the plot is compelling.

Have you seen it?
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« Reply #2360 on: February 19, 2014, 08:23:54 AM »

Can I go back in time with the knowledge I have now? Because I think I could happily survive in wild Australia.

This actually reminds me of a Twilight Zone episode where a successful business man goes back in time with a plan to buy some oil rich land for a very cheap price, the idea being that he knows there's oil there but the people at that time didn't. Problem is that he can't actually get the oil because the drills he needs haven't been invented yet.

My point (and what I think is the point of that show) is that it might sound like a good idea to go back in time with today's knowledge, but there are bound to be ramifications one never thinks of. Interesting to speculate about though!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Of_Late_I_Think_of_Cliffordville
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« Reply #2361 on: February 19, 2014, 10:26:22 AM »

Can I go back in time with the knowledge I have now? Because I think I could happily survive in wild Australia.

This actually reminds me of a Twilight Zone episode where a successful business man goes back in time with a plan to buy some oil rich land for a very cheap price, the idea being that he knows there's oil there but the people at that time didn't. Problem is that he can't actually get the oil because the drills he needs haven't been invented yet.

My point (and what I think is the point of that show) is that it might sound like a good idea to go back in time with today's knowledge, but there are bound to be ramifications one never thinks of. Interesting to speculate about though!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Of_Late_I_Think_of_Cliffordville
Yeah, but if you could go back and forth between then and now, you could, say, buy a bunch of Microsoft shares at their initial public offering, or some other stock that was dirt cheap at the IPO.  Bring them forward and sell them.  Or do the same for gold coins or something like that. 
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« Reply #2362 on: February 19, 2014, 10:33:48 AM »

Can I go back in time with the knowledge I have now? Because I think I could happily survive in wild Australia.

This actually reminds me of a Twilight Zone episode where a successful business man goes back in time with a plan to buy some oil rich land for a very cheap price, the idea being that he knows there's oil there but the people at that time didn't. Problem is that he can't actually get the oil because the drills he needs haven't been invented yet.

My point (and what I think is the point of that show) is that it might sound like a good idea to go back in time with today's knowledge, but there are bound to be ramifications one never thinks of. Interesting to speculate about though!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Of_Late_I_Think_of_Cliffordville
Yeah, but if you could go back and forth between then and now, you could, say, buy a bunch of Microsoft shares at their initial public offering, or some other stock that was dirt cheap at the IPO.  Bring them forward and sell them.  Or do the same for gold coins or something like that. 

Oh yeah, sure. Go back to 1929 after the stock market crashed and buy up some incredibly cheap stock of companies that are still around today, then jump back to today and presto! you're rich!

But is it that simple? I dunno, maybe it is. But you gotta get money -- cash that was legal tender at the time. You have to figure out how to put the stock in your name even though you weren't born yet. Etc. It just seems like it's one of those kinds of things that sounds so simple but in execution, there are just bound to be things you didn't think of before taking that leap into the past.  ;)
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Re: An Adult Should Really Know This - Silly Things You've Had to Tell People
« Reply #2363 on: February 19, 2014, 10:34:24 AM »

Can I go back in time with the knowledge I have now? Because I think I could happily survive in wild Australia.

This actually reminds me of a Twilight Zone episode where a successful business man goes back in time with a plan to buy some oil rich land for a very cheap price, the idea being that he knows there's oil there but the people at that time didn't. Problem is that he can't actually get the oil because the drills he needs haven't been invented yet.

My point (and what I think is the point of that show) is that it might sound like a good idea to go back in time with today's knowledge, but there are bound to be ramifications one never thinks of. Interesting to speculate about though!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Of_Late_I_Think_of_Cliffordville

I love that episode! It seemed to always be a recurring theme in the Twilight Zone - a modern man, burdened by the fast pace and responsibilities he has, wants to return to a simpler time. And, somehow, Serling always made it new and inventive every time.
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« Reply #2364 on: February 19, 2014, 12:52:58 PM »
I recommend Stephen King's book 11/22/63 for an interesting take on how to use one's current knowledge to survive in the past.   His view on gambling while knowing the outcome of certain sporting events was cool.

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« Reply #2365 on: February 19, 2014, 01:26:30 PM »
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Yep. It can be tough, but there are 'goldilocks areas', temperate zones where life was pretty good.


Maybe so but I'm guessing other people where already there first and may not have been too thrilled to share with a stranger.

That's . . . a topic for discussion in another area. There is some dispute over who was actually here first.

As for me, I have no interest in having contact with anyone else if I could go back. I would be happy to just be me. And as Oz was very sparsely populated, being alone wouldn't be a problem.

I would worry about medical difficulties: things like trying to splint my own broken arm or leg, and then gather enough food while it was healing. Or a cut, burn, or puncture wound, with no antibiotics or reliable antiseptics.

Of course, that's a generalized/hypothetical "I"--the actual Tea Drinker, who has some medical issues and is pale enough that I'd be in real trouble from sunstroke and/or sunburn once I lost or wore out whatever clothes I'd gotten there with, wouldn't be a good candidate for this even with companions to share in the work of gathering, help protect each other from predators, and so on.
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« Reply #2366 on: February 19, 2014, 01:37:50 PM »
Along the lines of "things used to be better in the days," I know a girl who is convinced she'd be happier if she'd been raised in the palaeolithic. She's sure that it was  idyllic utopia with no social problems because people were living naturally. All illnesses could be cured by natural herbs and anyway, don't you know that most diseases like cancer are cured solely by our unnatural modern lifestyle? ::)

She's so sensible in other ways that I'm baffled.

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« Reply #2367 on: February 19, 2014, 01:43:50 PM »
I would think that to go back in the past to get rich in the present, you can't really go back more than 15 to 20 years.  You already exist and presumably have a bank account from which you can get money, invest it in your own name (knowing you social security number) in a winning start-up and you're set.  Unless the younger you is checking into who's pilfering her/his account!

Or you can arrange to be given an object that you know will become a hot collector item.
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« Reply #2368 on: February 19, 2014, 01:44:21 PM »
I recommend Stephen King's book 11/22/63 for an interesting take on how to use one's current knowledge to survive in the past.   His view on gambling while knowing the outcome of certain sporting events was cool.

Kinda but not really and with a spin, "Off to be the wizard" by Scott Meyer.
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Boy uses program to manipulate time and space. Boy gets in trouble. Boy flees back in time to Medieval England to live as a wizard while he tries to think of a way to fix things. Boy gets in more trouble.

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« Reply #2369 on: February 19, 2014, 02:18:54 PM »
Along the lines of "things used to be better in the days," I know a girl who is convinced she'd be happier if she'd been raised in the palaeolithic. She's sure that it was  idyllic utopia with no social problems because people were living naturally. All illnesses could be cured by natural herbs and anyway, don't you know that most diseases like cancer are cured [caused?] solely by our unnatural modern lifestyle? ::)

She's so sensible in other ways that I'm baffled.
She does have a point.  Most communicable disease epidemics didn't arise until the development of cities and widespread travel.   If you, as one of a band of nomadic hunter-gatherers, somehow have a harmless virus mutate into chicken pox, then once it's gone through everyone in the band, that virus has reached a dead end.  There's nobody left to infect.  They're all either immune or dead.  You need a population that constantly replenishes itself with new members, either by birthrate or by immigration, for chicken pox to really take hold, because now it has new hosts. Replace 'chicken pox' with almost any other human-specific communicable disease. 

No, they didn't often have cancer -- most cancers generally take time to develop, and they didn't live long enough for one to take hold.  If you lived long enough to see your grandchildren (at the ripe old age of 25-30) that was wondrous. 

 But "idyllic utopia?"  Interpersonal problems still existed -- those didn't arise from city living!  Think about that nasty bully who tormented you in 3rd grade.  Now imagine that there is no way to get away from him, because his parents are in the same band as your parents.  Great good gods, just read "Clan of the Cave Bear."  Broud was a bully who had a position of power.  If he hadn't had Ayla as a victim, he would have chosen someone else. 

And Ayla's herbs couldn't cure everything.  If you had appendicitis, if you were gored by a prey animal or attacked by a predator, if you had almost any infection,  you were going to DIE, horribly and painfully.  If you broke a leg, you were probably crippled for life. 

You probably gave birth to your first child within a year of menarche.   Half of your children didn't live long enough to see their first year.  Half of those who reached their first birthday didn't live to see their fifth.  If you needed a c-section, you couldn't get one, and your baby died.  You probably died too.   (That was the origin of the name "caesarian section" -- it was an order from one of the Roman emperors, that if a pregnant woman died, she was to be cut open in an attempt to save the baby.)  If your child had a birth defect, it died, either naturally or through exposure.  If it was born too early, it died. 

And none of that was speculation.  That was all recorded in the 19th century, among the "natural, close-to-nature" Native Americans.  Need I go on? 
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