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Re: An Adult Should Really Know This - Silly Things You've Had to Tell People
« Reply #2385 on: February 19, 2014, 10:29:43 PM »
It all makes me wonder what people in a hundred years will be saying about the barbaric early 21st century, when people actually used to die of cancer/road accidents/AIDS, and only lived til they were in their 80s, usually.
And think about the treatments that came along -- will come along -- just too late.  There are several in my family history.  My maternal grandfather died of pneumonia in 1929, leaving his widow with a 5-year-old girl and a newborn son.  His doctor mourned and apologized for years that  the antibiotics hadn't been developed; that with them he could have saved him.  Sister's husband contracted polio, just a few weeks before the vaccine came out.  He suffers the effects to this day.  Grandmother went blind from macular degeneration, only a couple of years before the shots for the eyes came out. 
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« Reply #2386 on: February 19, 2014, 11:44:21 PM »
Or Harry Turtledove's series in which some racists from the future give the South guns so they'll win the Civil War, intending to preserve slavery--only for the South to abolish slavery on its own.  Hard to predict exactly what will happen when you change history.  :)
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« Reply #2387 on: February 20, 2014, 08:04:44 AM »
Childbirth made women particularly vulnerable. Has anyone read The Red Tent? Death was seen as almost a part of life, and while they were missed it seemed almost the price for bearing children.

I love the time travel Twilight Zone episodes. It is a common theme, and I think a lot of that was Serling's nostalgia. No Time Like the Past is another one, and there's two episodes where they actually escape into the simpler world. A World of Difference and A Stop at Willoughby.

I'm watching a lot of them right now to research for a game, and there are some with happy endings.  My favorites of those are I Dream of Genie and Night of the Meek.

A Stop at Willoughby is one of my absolute favorite TZ episodes. I just love that one.

Another time travel one I like is "Back There". The main character (played by Russell Johnson who also played The Professor on Gilligan's Island and just recently died) finds himself back in time trying to prove that having advance knowledge of the assassination of Lincoln, he could prevent it. He can't, but he does inadvertently change other things.

And yet another one I really like, "A Hundred Years over the Rim" in which Cliff Robertson travels into the future to get help for his sick son.

Sorry for the thread hijack -- I know the TZ discussion is way off topic, but man I love those shows.
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« Reply #2388 on: February 20, 2014, 08:07:40 AM »
When they are in court he and the prosecutor keep referring to each other as "learned", pronouncing both syllables. It cracks me up because it's sort passive-aggressive or sarcastic or whatever, but it's also because they do, in fact, have great respect for each other.

2 interesting facts for you.

1. Professionals at the bar table refer to each other as their "friend" if the person being referred to is a solicitor, and their "learned friend" if that person is a barrister.

2. For some reason, it is always pronounced "learn-ed" in this context.  Its not PA or sarcastic at all.  Its just how its done.

Oh! I just assumed it was sort of sarcastic because, well, because their tone sort of sounded that way in the movie. Probably just my interpretation. But also because Charles Laughton plays a character that is constantly spewing out sarcasm. In a funny way of course. I mean, I love that movie and Laughton's character, while gruff and sarcastic and seemingly intolerant is also incredibly smart and funny. It's one of those movies where all the characters are very well played and the plot is compelling.

Have you seen it?

I've not - perhaps I should :)

Also - having not seen it - it is possible that the speaker was being sarcastic but that would be delivered through tone, not the use of the word itself :)  Have you seen the Australian version of Rake (I believe a US one is coming)?

Oh yes, I highly recommend it.

I have not seen Rake but I will definitely add it to my list. It sounds good!
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« Reply #2389 on: February 20, 2014, 08:41:28 AM »
With all the discussion on time travel and the shocking medical and hygiene issues of our ancestors (even relatively recently), a shout out to Diana Gabaldon's "Outlander" series is warranted.
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« Reply #2390 on: February 20, 2014, 12:42:01 PM »
I think it's a myth that most people dropped dead in their twenties. Sure, some did, mostly women in childbirth, but it wasn't all that unheard of for someone to reach middle age or even what we'd call old. Infant mortality dragged down the average. That said, yeah, more people are living long enough to die of heart disease and cancer now, plus now we have the diagnostic tools to know what exactly they had. In the old days, someone would die and maybe you'd never know exactly what caused it. Just look at all the "what did he really die of? was it murder?" articles that are always being written about famous dead people of the past.

This.  "Old age" was your 60s - and if you made it past age five or so, you'd probably make it through your adulthood too.

Exactly, its the difference between life expectancy and life span.  As we reduce infant mortalilty and communicable desease life expectancy (which is an average) increases.  But life span (how long a human can live) has changed very little.  My Grandmother was born in 1887 and lived to be 95.

http://www.news-medical.net/health/Life-Expectancy-Versus-Life-Span.aspx

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« Reply #2391 on: February 20, 2014, 01:49:14 PM »
An interesting book about medical history is "The Age of Agony." It mainly deals with the 18th century. Reading it makes you very thankful you live today!

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« Reply #2392 on: February 20, 2014, 02:24:55 PM »
Along the lines of "things used to be better in the days," I know a girl who is convinced she'd be happier if she'd been raised in the palaeolithic. She's sure that it was  idyllic utopia with no social problems because people were living naturally. All illnesses could be cured by natural herbs and anyway, don't you know that most diseases like cancer are cured solely by our unnatural modern lifestyle? ::)

She's so sensible in other ways that I'm baffled.

If she's ever taken antibiotics, she should know that the infection may otherwise have killed her. My Dad knew a boy who scratched a pimple and died of blood poisoning because penicillin wasn't readily available. Surviving cuts and abrasions would not be that easy.

Re: The bolded, you might think so, but it's amazing the number of people (friend included) believe that because antibiotics are sometimes over-prescribed they're also completely unnecessary. Maybe it's a case of familiarity breeding contempt?

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« Reply #2393 on: February 20, 2014, 04:32:52 PM »
.  But life span (how long a human can live) has changed very little.  My Grandmother was born in 1887 and lived to be 95.


Can beat you - my great grandfather was born 1817 and lived to 99 (before dying of old age), his wife born 1824 died at 84

There's a surprising number of my family dying at what even today would be counted as a good age

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« Reply #2394 on: February 20, 2014, 04:59:43 PM »
Some people should really read a book before they travel.

http://www.smh.com.au/travel/too-stupid-to-travel-tourists-dumbest-questions-20140220-333o4.html

And there are more stories in the comments!

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« Reply #2395 on: February 20, 2014, 06:23:29 PM »
"South Park" did an episode about time travelers from the future who transported into our present day, took jobs working for a pittance and invested their income. The idea was that it would grow over the years and be worth a fortune when they returned to their time.

It was meant as a satirical commentary on the immigration issue in the U.S., and the belief that immigrants are taking jobs away from U.S. citizens because they're willing to work for less. But let's leave it at that and not get into a political debate.

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« Reply #2396 on: February 20, 2014, 08:27:42 PM »
.  But life span (how long a human can live) has changed very little.  My Grandmother was born in 1887 and lived to be 95.


Can beat you - my great grandfather was born 1817 and lived to 99 (before dying of old age), his wife born 1824 died at 84

There's a surprising number of my family dying at what even today would be counted as a good age

My ggg-grandfather was born in 1818, died in 1914. But, sadly, the family history is full of people who died in their 20s, 30s, and 40s.  :-[

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« Reply #2397 on: February 20, 2014, 10:45:08 PM »
A friend of my mother refused to install fire detectors in her house, because "they would be the cause of fires".

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« Reply #2398 on: February 20, 2014, 10:50:54 PM »
I think it's a myth that most people dropped dead in their twenties. Sure, some did, mostly women in childbirth, but it wasn't all that unheard of for someone to reach middle age or even what we'd call old. Infant mortality dragged down the average. That said, yeah, more people are living long enough to die of heart disease and cancer now, plus now we have the diagnostic tools to know what exactly they had. In the old days, someone would die and maybe you'd never know exactly what caused it. Just look at all the "what did he really die of? was it murder?" articles that are always being written about famous dead people of the past.

This.  "Old age" was your 60s - and if you made it past age five or so, you'd probably make it through your adulthood too.

Exactly, its the difference between life expectancy and life span.  As we reduce infant mortalilty and communicable desease life expectancy (which is an average) increases.  But life span (how long a human can live) has changed very little.  My Grandmother was born in 1887 and lived to be 95.

http://www.news-medical.net/health/Life-Expectancy-Versus-Life-Span.aspx

I was thinking the same thing reading this thread, that people didn't generally die of old age in their 20s, it was that their life expectancy was lower and so a lot died during their infancy or youth, women died in childbirth or men from work accidents, but not that people actually aged faster.

I was trying to remember what year John Adams died in the other day.  I know he and Thomas Jefferson both died on the same day and that it was on July 4th, and I was thinking that it was the 50th anniversary of the signing of the Declaration of Independence.  But that didn't seem right, because in the musical 1776 (yes, I know, it's the be-all end-all of accuracy), it said that Adams was 41 and Jefferson 33.  That would make them... 91 and 83 when they died?  I just couldn't believe that Adams lived to be 91, so I had to go look it up.  And sure enough, it was pretty much accurate (I think it was a year off, but I forget which direction).  Granted, that's only a few hundred years ago, but still, we don't often think about people in the 18th/19th centuries living into their 80s and 90s.
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« Reply #2399 on: February 21, 2014, 12:23:05 AM »
John Tyler, our 10th president, has two grandchildren still alive today.  He was president in the 1840s.  That's what happens when you have fifteen children (the youngest of whom were with a wife decades younger than you were) and then your youngest son takes after you . . .