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VorFemme

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Re: An Adult Should Really Know This - Silly Things You've Had to Tell People
« Reply #2250 on: February 15, 2014, 06:56:33 PM »
Well - Jesus was born when Augustus sent out a decree that "all the world should be taxed" (census time - in Roman terms). 

He died some time between the time Livia (Augustus' widow and mother of Tiberius) died and the time Little Boots (Caligula) died.  Definitely before Claudius or Nero took the name and power of Ceasar....but after Nero, I no longer remember the correct order of who came to power when.  Just that some of them were in power for days and others for decades....

If she (character in book) had asked WHO ruled in Rome - she might have been able to approximate when she was - depending on how long (days, weeks, or months) it took the news to get to her backwoods corner of the Empire.  Which at least meant it was after the Republic ended....Augustus ruled for decades & died in 14 A.D./C.E. 

I seem to remember that Livia died before Tiberius did - so before Caligula came to power....but getting the time line straight between what was going on in one country and another back then isn't easy, as what Rome paid attention to didn't always match events in those other countries were paying attention to - partly the delay in communications...partly different "national" interests.
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Re: An Adult Should Really Know This - Silly Things You've Had to Tell People
« Reply #2251 on: February 15, 2014, 08:13:03 PM »
As a kid I remember reading a book about a modern Jewish girl who is transported back in time to WWII, and when she asks someone what year it is, they say something like, "3023," and she's like, "WHAT? It can't be the future!" But the person she was talking to was using the Jewish year numbering system, which apparently was no longer common in her era. I think that was the first time it occurred to me that different groups could have different dating systems.
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I always loved Number the Stars, that would be a better "feel good" book, since it doesn't show the full horrors of the Nazis.  But Bridge to Terabithia, while it does have the one very very sad event, generally is such a joyful book.  I remember dragging my brother out to the woods and "creek" behind my house and building our very own Terabithia after reading that book.  Years later, my dad was cleaning up in the woods and mentioned in passing that he'd had to "dismantle Terabithia" (we'd taken a bunch of wood scraps back to make "thrones" and tables and such), so even he knew what we called it.

VorFemme, it's funny that you mention that she should have been able to date when she'd arrived based on the emperor.  I'm sure that most modern Americans would not be able to do that.  At most they might know of the senate, Julius, and Augustus.  I don't know past Augustus, because that's as far as we've gotten in the "Story of the World" CDs.  :) 

But it reminds me of a book that I read the children's version of as a child, called "A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court."  In it, this character goes back into time, and somehow remembers the exact date of a solar eclipse, and it happens to be on the day after they had captured him and were accusing him of witchcraft or something like that.  He uses it in an attempt to prove that he is powerful and they'd better not mess with him.  But as a kid, my thought was, how in the world does a man from the 19th century (or whenever, but I think it was 19th as I think it was by Mark Twain?) know when a solar eclipse happened hundreds and hundreds of years before?  I'm even teaching my kids astronomy and I haven't memorized the list of when solar or lunar eclipses is.  Of course, I only read this abridged version of the book that was meant for children, so maybe the full book explained this, I don't know.  But it puzzled me for years as a kid, whenever I'd see/read that book.
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Re: An Adult Should Really Know This - Silly Things You've Had to Tell People
« Reply #2252 on: February 15, 2014, 10:16:47 PM »
But it reminds me of a book that I read the children's version of as a child, called "A Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court."  In it, this character goes back into time, and somehow remembers the exact date of a solar eclipse, and it happens to be on the day after they had captured him and were accusing him of witchcraft or something like that.  He uses it in an attempt to prove that he is powerful and they'd better not mess with him.  But as a kid, my thought was, how in the world does a man from the 19th century (or whenever, but I think it was 19th as I think it was by Mark Twain?) know when a solar eclipse happened hundreds and hundreds of years before?  I'm even teaching my kids astronomy and I haven't memorized the list of when solar or lunar eclipses is.  Of course, I only read this abridged version of the book that was meant for children, so maybe the full book explained this, I don't know.  But it puzzled me for years as a kid, whenever I'd see/read that book.
Yes, Mark Twain's Connecticut Yankee in King Arthur's Court.  And no, he never explained why he knew that there would be an eclipse on that day.  The full text is available at Project Gutenberg.
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« Reply #2253 on: February 16, 2014, 03:03:27 AM »
I enjoyed that book a great deal. Her ex was a super jerk, but her judgementalism was huge.
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« Reply #2254 on: February 16, 2014, 03:13:39 AM »
VorFemme, it's funny that you mention that she should have been able to date when she'd arrived based on the emperor.  I'm sure that most modern Americans would not be able to do that.  At most they might know of the senate, Julius, and Augustus.  I don't know past Augustus, because that's as far as we've gotten in the "Story of the World" CDs.  :) 

Yes, the heroine of "Household Gods" is pretty massively ignorant, outside of her profession and the necessary expertise for things in her daily life.  She knows virtually nothing about Roman history -- just vaguely feels that life must have been better and more "natural" two thousand years ago. During her spell in the past, she learns in time that the current emperor is Marcus Aurelius -- she actually meets him, late in the book. Finding out the name of the current ruler is no help to her for "orientation", though: when she's transported to the past, she doesn't know Marcus Aurelius from Bertie Wooster.

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« Reply #2255 on: February 16, 2014, 07:18:46 AM »
I really hate that idea that life must have been better/more natural/etc "way back when".  For all the issues our current day has, I'm really enamored with modern heating/cooling systems, modern plumbing, worldwide shipping so I can have veggies, fruits and meats out of season, and an educational system that allows women to be taught.   :P

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« Reply #2256 on: February 16, 2014, 08:50:11 AM »
I really hate that idea that life must have been better/more natural/etc "way back when".  For all the issues our current day has, I'm really enamored with modern heating/cooling systems, modern plumbing, worldwide shipping so I can have veggies, fruits and meats out of season, and an educational system that allows women to be taught.   :P
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« Reply #2257 on: February 16, 2014, 11:01:26 AM »
I really hate that idea that life must have been better/more natural/etc "way back when".  For all the issues our current day has, I'm really enamored with modern heating/cooling systems, modern plumbing, worldwide shipping so I can have veggies, fruits and meats out of season, and an educational system that allows women to be taught.   :P

I also agree.  Everyone older than I am seemed to get nostalgic for the time when women's education was limited to reading, writing, basic arithmetic, home ec, and enough American history to be patriotic for one's children.... or the children of one's siblings if one's destiny was to be a spinster.

What is killing me now is that I see the education I received being laughed at by a coming generation that is getting all science, math, and tech at the expense of arts appreciation and foreign languages.  A friend's daughter is a middle school English teacher whose students can't read cursive writing, which is also almost not being taught at all.





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« Reply #2258 on: February 16, 2014, 12:18:37 PM »
I had to tell DH that people in the Middle Ages would not have had potatoes to eat during the Lenten fast, because they originated in South America, not Ireland. 

And Lent would not be a happy time to be a medieval peasant.  Since they were not allowed to eat meat, milk, eggs, or dairy for those 40 days, they would have had to live on bread and whatever fruits and vegetables survived winter storage. That would be mainly onions and cabbage and maybe apples. 
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« Reply #2259 on: February 16, 2014, 01:16:03 PM »
Or they would have to get some kind of dispensation from their local priest, as they had to do the plowing & spring planting during that time in many climates.  Which is heavy labor...
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« Reply #2260 on: February 16, 2014, 01:30:21 PM »
I really hate that idea that life must have been better/more natural/etc "way back when".  For all the issues our current day has, I'm really enamored with modern heating/cooling systems, modern plumbing, worldwide shipping so I can have veggies, fruits and meats out of season, and an educational system that allows women to be taught.   :P
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« Reply #2261 on: February 16, 2014, 01:36:13 PM »
I really hate that idea that life must have been better/more natural/etc "way back when".  For all the issues our current day has, I'm really enamored with modern heating/cooling systems, modern plumbing, worldwide shipping so I can have veggies, fruits and meats out of season, and an educational system that allows women to be taught.   :P
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No one has yet said anything about modern medicine.  I had an ailment on my teens that would have killed me if I had lived in my Grandparents' generation.

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« Reply #2262 on: February 16, 2014, 01:39:13 PM »
I really hate that idea that life must have been better/more natural/etc "way back when".  For all the issues our current day has, I'm really enamored with modern heating/cooling systems, modern plumbing, worldwide shipping so I can have veggies, fruits and meats out of season, and an educational system that allows women to be taught.   :P
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No one has yet said anything about modern medicine.  I had an ailment on my teens that would have killed me if I had lived in my Grandparents' generation.

I am very happy to live now, if only for the medical advancements we've had. Last year I had a very bad ankle break; I broke multiple bones and required 2 surgeries plus lots of therapy. Imagine that 100+ yrs ago...I would've been "crippled" (as they'd have called it, wanting to be historically accurate) for life!  :o

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« Reply #2263 on: February 16, 2014, 01:57:47 PM »
Yes, one of the professors in the anthropology college I am an undergrad in just gave birth. Lots of complications and it is very likely neither mom or baby would have survived without modern medicine.

Since I was born with asthma and have needed corrective lenses all my life, mine would have been a miserable one before modern medicine.
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« Reply #2264 on: February 16, 2014, 02:06:16 PM »
I really hate that idea that life must have been better/more natural/etc "way back when".  For all the issues our current day has, I'm really enamored with modern heating/cooling systems, modern plumbing, worldwide shipping so I can have veggies, fruits and meats out of season, and an educational system that allows women to be taught.   :P
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No one has yet said anything about modern medicine.  I had an ailment on my teens that would have killed me if I had lived in my Grandparents' generation.

I am very happy to live now, if only for the medical advancements we've had. Last year I had a very bad ankle break; I broke multiple bones and required 2 surgeries plus lots of therapy. Imagine that 100+ yrs ago...I would've been "crippled" (as they'd have called it, wanting to be historically accurate) for life!  :o
If it was a compound fracture, you would certainly have been crippled or dead.  "Treatment" in those days usually meant amputation, and sterilization of the operating site and tools would have been hit or miss.  Older doctors tended to think that antisepsis was sheer nonsense -- how could invisible bugs cause illness?!?

I would be dead of appendicitis at 24, leaving behind a toddler and an infant.  DD1 would have died at 11, also appendicitis.  Grandson2 would have been severely brain-damaged at birth, or stillborn.  (Prolapsed umbilical cord = emergency C-section.)  DH would have died at 49, of a widowmaker heart attack. 
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