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Re: An Adult Should Really Know This - Silly Things You've Had to Tell People
« Reply #2310 on: February 17, 2014, 11:12:37 AM »
As a kid I remember reading a book about a modern Jewish girl who is transported back in time to WWII, and when she asks someone what year it is, they say something like, "3023," and she's like, "WHAT? It can't be the future!" But the person she was talking to was using the Jewish year numbering system, which apparently was no longer common in her era. I think that was the first time it occurred to me that different groups could have different dating systems.

Multiple calendar systems is a serious pain for software developers if they want to make their programs fully localized.  My old copy of "Guide to Macintosh Software Localization" lists five calendar systems (Gregorian, Arabic Lunar, Jewish, Iranian National and Japanese Imperial.) Dealing with ancient history you might also need the Julian calendar or at least conversions. Then there are different conventions within these calendar systems; for example, the US is mm/dd/yyyy while in Europe it's more likely dd/mm/yyyy. Some computer systems use yyyy-mm-dd since that makes putting things in time order much easier.
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« Reply #2311 on: February 17, 2014, 11:31:52 AM »
If you are going to go back in time, going back to the Romans isn't such a bad idea. It's certainly a better idea than the Middle Ages. They had clean water, heating, medicine (of a kind), roads, take away food, literature and the aqueduct ;). Roman times were also rather cosmopolitan, so you wouldn't be burnt as a heretic for having modern ideas. And slaves were a given, which is why the Romans didn't progress as much as they could have technologically.

Though you might come back with a few parasites from back then too. So it would be a visit rather than a move.

I can't picture the Middle Ages without thinking of how Monty Python depicted that era!  :)

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« Reply #2312 on: February 17, 2014, 11:33:24 AM »
My mother always said that everything was better when she was young.  Then she would tell stories about getting up in winter to frozen water pans, out-houses, cleaning rags for the "monthlies", babies dying of various illnesses and women in childbirth.  She was also pulled out of school in third grade, because you don't really need to be educated too much to take care of babies and a house.

I'm definitely not moving to another time period.

My mom talks about how, during the great depression, she and her family moved to a farmhouse that had no electricity. This was in N. Ontario, so winters were rough. Sometimes water left out froze. Her mom's false teeth would be in a solid block of ice some mornings.  :-[

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« Reply #2313 on: February 17, 2014, 11:37:17 AM »
As a child, my father's employer had a beautiful chalet in the mountains in New Mexico. However, during the colder half of the year, the pipes would freeze, so my sisters and dad would go to the creek to get water in buckets for cooking, washing anything that water was needed for.

The old-fashioned things I liked about that place are that there was no television, so we played lots of board games, went sight seeing and read a lot.
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« Reply #2314 on: February 17, 2014, 11:57:00 AM »
Katana_Geldar wrote:

"If you are going to go back in time, going back to the Romans isn't such a bad idea. It's certainly a better idea than the Middle Ages."

The Middle Ages were a pretty good time to be alive, if you weren't near western Europe.  Many of the populated places of the world were doing pretty well then.

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« Reply #2315 on: February 17, 2014, 12:04:06 PM »
My mother always said that everything was better when she was young.  Then she would tell stories about getting up in winter to frozen water pans, out-houses, cleaning rags for the "monthlies", babies dying of various illnesses and women in childbirth.  She was also pulled out of school in third grade, because you don't really need to be educated too much to take care of babies and a house.

I'm definitely not moving to another time period.

My mom talks about how, during the great depression, she and her family moved to a farmhouse that had no electricity. This was in N. Ontario, so winters were rough. Sometimes water left out froze. Her mom's false teeth would be in a solid block of ice some mornings.  :-[

My dad used to go camping with his boy scout troop back in the day.  He very vividly remembers the scoutmaster having to chip his dentures out of the cup of ice in the morning.

ETA: From that same trip: popcorn muffins.  If you put popcorn into the muffin batter, IT WILL NOT POP and you will have muffins full of gravel.  The idea probably came from the boys, but you'd think one of the adults might have realized it might not work . . .

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« Reply #2316 on: February 17, 2014, 12:32:46 PM »
My mother always said that everything was better when she was young.  Then she would tell stories about getting up in winter to frozen water pans, out-houses, cleaning rags for the "monthlies", babies dying of various illnesses and women in childbirth.  She was also pulled out of school in third grade, because you don't really need to be educated too much to take care of babies and a house.

I'm definitely not moving to another time period.

My mom talks about how, during the great depression, she and her family moved to a farmhouse that had no electricity. This was in N. Ontario, so winters were rough. Sometimes water left out froze. Her mom's false teeth would be in a solid block of ice some mornings.  :-[

My dad used to go camping with his boy scout troop back in the day.  He very vividly remembers the scoutmaster having to chip his dentures out of the cup of ice in the morning.

ETA: From that same trip: popcorn muffins.  If you put popcorn into the muffin batter, IT WILL NOT POP and you will have muffins full of gravel.  The idea probably came from the boys, but you'd think one of the adults might have realized it might not work . . .

Depending on the quantity of corn, even if they did pop it sounds like a recipe for disaster, or at least an oven full of batter. They would have expended like crazy!
 

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« Reply #2317 on: February 18, 2014, 07:11:45 AM »
I really hate that idea that life must have been better/more natural/etc "way back when".  For all the issues our current day has, I'm really enamored with modern heating/cooling systems, modern plumbing, worldwide shipping so I can have veggies, fruits and meats out of season, and an educational system that allows women to be taught.   :P
Paper personal hygiene product. Just sayin'. ::)

Not to mention bloody rags every month.  My mother told me about having to wash those and how thrilled she was when she bought her first box of Modess in America.





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« Reply #2318 on: February 18, 2014, 09:57:27 AM »
Yup. I'm a solicitor in the UK, and I go to court a fair bit, often appearing where there is a barrister appearing for the other party. As I deal with family cases, no-one (barristers or solicitors) wears wigs or gowns (nor does the Judge)
The main difference here  is that solicitors will deal with the case from the beginning, dealing with the client, preparing the documenta, working out what is and isn't relevant etc, before giving the barrister a set of papers and instructions to work from. Here in the UK the two professions are moving closer together - barristers can (in some circumstances) accept instructions directly from lay clients, and solicitor can obtain higher courts rights of audience (it used to be that solicitors could not appear in the Crown Court (Criminal) which was a little odd as we've always been able to appear in the County Court (Civil)

All this talk of barristers and wigs brings to mind the movie, "Witness for the Prosecution." If you haven't seen it, do.
Not much of a spoiler because this happens at the beginning of the movie but when Charles Laughton returns to his office after a long hospital stay, he gets so excited at seeing his wig again. It's a pretty cute moment.

When they are in court he and the prosecutor keep referring to each other as "learned", pronouncing both syllables. It cracks me up because it's sort passive-aggressive or sarcastic or whatever, but it's also because they do, in fact, have great respect for each other.

http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0051201/?ref_=nv_sr_1
It's an oldie but a goodie, based on an Agatha Christie short story. At the end of the film they admonish the audience to please not reveal the ending to others who haven't seen it.
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« Reply #2319 on: February 18, 2014, 10:02:08 AM »
I really hate that idea that life must have been better/more natural/etc "way back when".  For all the issues our current day has, I'm really enamored with modern heating/cooling systems, modern plumbing, worldwide shipping so I can have veggies, fruits and meats out of season, and an educational system that allows women to be taught.   :P

This is exactly what made me hate that movie, Kate & Leopold. Meg Ryan played an educated woman with a successful career and she gave it all up for some guy she hardly knew (ok I can get over that) but in addition, she had to go live in the 19th century!! No more career for her, in addition to which, instead of valuing her education they probably put her to work scrubbing floors and polishing silver. Ok, he was rich, maybe she hung out with the women of society, although being a complete stranger from outta nowhere, I kinda doubt she'd be accepted.
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« Reply #2320 on: February 18, 2014, 10:04:22 AM »
I really hate that idea that life must have been better/more natural/etc "way back when".  For all the issues our current day has, I'm really enamored with modern heating/cooling systems, modern plumbing, worldwide shipping so I can have veggies, fruits and meats out of season, and an educational system that allows women to be taught.   :P
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My DAD's stories of Houston before air conditioning make my skin crawl. I grew up using the same slat beds he and Aunt (Twin beds I had both of them) had. My grandfather made them. He would tell me about untucking the foot of the bed because 1/2 way through the night he would switch foot to head to find a place not soaked with sweat. (I had new mattresses jut the frame was the same) They would also sneak off to swim in the bayous (shutter) because the pools were shut down in August due to the fear/believe that polio was being spread in the pools.

Sort of off topic now... but I grew up in Houston and we didn't have air conditioning in my elementary school till I was in third grade ~1967. It wasn't all that big a deal at the time, although it did make a big impression on me that we finally had a/c so we must have been sweating before that!
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« Reply #2321 on: February 18, 2014, 10:08:57 AM »
I really hate that idea that life must have been better/more natural/etc "way back when".  For all the issues our current day has, I'm really enamored with modern heating/cooling systems, modern plumbing, worldwide shipping so I can have veggies, fruits and meats out of season, and an educational system that allows women to be taught.   :P
Paper personal hygiene product. Just sayin'. ::)

No one has yet said anything about modern medicine.  I had an ailment on my teens that would have killed me if I had lived in my Grandparents' generation.

I am very happy to live now, if only for the medical advancements we've had. Last year I had a very bad ankle break; I broke multiple bones and required 2 surgeries plus lots of therapy. Imagine that 100+ yrs ago...I would've been "crippled" (as they'd have called it, wanting to be historically accurate) for life!  :o
If it was a compound fracture, you would certainly have been crippled or dead.  "Treatment" in those days usually meant amputation, and sterilization of the operating site and tools would have been hit or miss. Older doctors tended to think that antisepsis was sheer nonsense -- how could invisible bugs cause illness?!?

I would be dead of appendicitis at 24, leaving behind a toddler and an infant.  DD1 would have died at 11, also appendicitis.  Grandson2 would have been severely brain-damaged at birth, or stillborn.  (Prolapsed umbilical cord = emergency C-section.)  DH would have died at 49, of a widowmaker heart attack.

OK, sorry, bringing up another movie.
But I just watched Hysteria, http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1435513/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1 which mentions this very thing toward the beginning of the movie. It's horrifying to see the methods they used which deliberately kept things dirty. Ewww.
If you're interested, this movie happens to be about the invention of the, ahem, vibrator, and is actually pretty entertaining.
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« Reply #2322 on: February 18, 2014, 10:10:50 AM »
I really hate that idea that life must have been better/more natural/etc "way back when".  For all the issues our current day has, I'm really enamored with modern heating/cooling systems, modern plumbing, worldwide shipping so I can have veggies, fruits and meats out of season, and an educational system that allows women to be taught.   :P

Yeah, my husband has studied a lot of history. Someone asked him what era he wanted to live in.

He said, "This one, when we have penicillin and my daughter can go to college and own property."

My father used to say that he never gave women's rights much thought either way till he had three daughters. Of course, he wanted the best for us so yeah, darn right women should have equal rights and opportunities!  :D
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« Reply #2323 on: February 18, 2014, 10:12:10 AM »
I really hate that idea that life must have been better/more natural/etc "way back when".  For all the issues our current day has, I'm really enamored with modern heating/cooling systems, modern plumbing, worldwide shipping so I can have veggies, fruits and meats out of season, and an educational system that allows women to be taught.   :P
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My DAD's stories of Houston before air conditioning make my skin crawl. I grew up using the same slat beds he and Aunt (Twin beds I had both of them) had. My grandfather made them. He would tell me about untucking the foot of the bed because 1/2 way through the night he would switch foot to head to find a place not soaked with sweat. (I had new mattresses jut the frame was the same) They would also sneak off to swim in the bayous (shutter) because the pools were shut down in August due to the fear/believe that polio was being spread in the pools.

Sort of off topic now... but I grew up in Houston and we didn't have air conditioning in my elementary school till I was in third grade ~1967. It wasn't all that big a deal at the time, although it did make a big impression on me that we finally had a/c so we must have been sweating before that!

AC was installed at my high school tone year after I graduated, a.k.a. in 1996. And for years there was a rule banning shorts after August or before June, in a climate where there are often really hot days in September and May. Bleurgh!

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« Reply #2324 on: February 18, 2014, 10:46:36 AM »
I really hate that idea that life must have been better/more natural/etc "way back when".  For all the issues our current day has, I'm really enamored with modern heating/cooling systems, modern plumbing, worldwide shipping so I can have veggies, fruits and meats out of season, and an educational system that allows women to be taught.   :P
Paper personal hygiene product. Just sayin'. ::)

No one has yet said anything about modern medicine.  I had an ailment on my teens that would have killed me if I had lived in my Grandparents' generation.

I am very happy to live now, if only for the medical advancements we've had. Last year I had a very bad ankle break; I broke multiple bones and required 2 surgeries plus lots of therapy. Imagine that 100+ yrs ago...I would've been "crippled" (as they'd have called it, wanting to be historically accurate) for life!  :o
If it was a compound fracture, you would certainly have been crippled or dead.  "Treatment" in those days usually meant amputation, and sterilization of the operating site and tools would have been hit or miss. Older doctors tended to think that antisepsis was sheer nonsense -- how could invisible bugs cause illness?!?

I would be dead of appendicitis at 24, leaving behind a toddler and an infant.  DD1 would have died at 11, also appendicitis.  Grandson2 would have been severely brain-damaged at birth, or stillborn.  (Prolapsed umbilical cord = emergency C-section.)  DH would have died at 49, of a widowmaker heart attack.

OK, sorry, bringing up another movie.
But I just watched Hysteria, http://www.imdb.com/title/tt1435513/?ref_=fn_al_tt_1 which mentions this very thing toward the beginning of the movie. It's horrifying to see the methods they used which deliberately kept things dirty. Ewww.
If you're interested, this movie happens to be about the invention of the, ahem, vibrator, and is actually pretty entertaining.

There was a period in time when a doctor was known to be a good doctor with a lot of patients...because he was wearing the same coat to all of them and it would be splashed with whatever body fluids and solids he'd dealt with.  Infectious? He wasn't washing his hands, either - except possibly to eat...

Let sleeping dragons be.......morning breath......need I explain?