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Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
« Reply #1755 on: January 10, 2017, 02:59:59 PM »
Thought of you all when I saw this on Facebook...

https://www.facebook.com/mysweetBcreations/videos/931940353619164

(I hope the link works!)

The link works: so true!

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« Reply #1756 on: January 10, 2017, 04:09:50 PM »
And she's not using expensive materials, either.

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« Reply #1757 on: January 11, 2017, 08:38:03 AM »
Last year, I made two of those wreaths that you do with a wire frame and the mesh fabric. Same idea here: http://www.minimalisti.com/decoration/christmas-decoration/08/how-to-make-a-mesh-wreath-tutorial.html. I had them hanging inside the house. My sister's friend see them and asks where I got them. I said I made them. She then announces to my sister, "That's what I want for Christmas next year and SingMeAway can make it! ??? Really. Sister, of course, thought this was a lovely idea. She's good at being magnanimous with other peoples' time and possessions sometimes >:(. Guess I'll have to wait and see what happens next November when sister remembers, but she might be a bit surprised at the cost of the materials.

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« Reply #1758 on: January 11, 2017, 11:50:19 AM »
I thought of this thread the other day; someone in a FB group for my hometown posted a picture of a really cute scarf, asking if someone had a pattern and could make one "reasonable" for her.

The scarf (someone else posted the pattern they found) appears to be a large triangle, with several holes of varying sizes and you wrap the scarf around your neck, and  you can thread the other end through, and it ruches nicely. I know I'm not describing it that well, but suffice it to say, it was more involved than just knitting a long straight muffler scarf. Which I also know takes time.

a whole bunch of people said oh my mom, or i know someone, again i'm guessing having no clue what goes into something like that.

Someone else posted yeah, i found that pattern, and by the time you buy the yarn (not Michaels') and the time, it will be far from reasonable! It was very pretty too, but I had to laugh since i know nothing about knitting, and yet knew that it would be nowhere near reasonable, and guessed the poster's idea of reasonable would be $25 or less.

I've done triangle scarves and scarves with a hole to pull the other end through.  They don't have to be particularly difficult (depends on your choice of stitch, I always go for easy), but definitely time consuming and cost will vary by quality of yarn.  $25 might be what you can pay at a store for a mass produced version in acrylic knit, but custom handmade with quality yarn will always be more.

Last year, I made two of those wreaths that you do with a wire frame and the mesh fabric. Same idea here: http://www.minimalisti.com/decoration/christmas-decoration/08/how-to-make-a-mesh-wreath-tutorial.html. I had them hanging inside the house. My sister's friend see them and asks where I got them. I said I made them. She then announces to my sister, "That's what I want for Christmas next year and SingMeAway can make it! ??? Really. Sister, of course, thought this was a lovely idea. She's good at being magnanimous with other peoples' time and possessions sometimes >:(. Guess I'll have to wait and see what happens next November when sister remembers, but she might be a bit surprised at the cost of the materials.

Ooh, thanks for the link!  I now have a wreath frame and have been wondering what to do with it.  All you'll need to do if/when your sister remembers is send her that same link and let her decide if she wants to do that herself.

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« Reply #1759 on: January 11, 2017, 01:02:37 PM »
Last year, I made two of those wreaths that you do with a wire frame and the mesh fabric. Same idea here: http://www.minimalisti.com/decoration/christmas-decoration/08/how-to-make-a-mesh-wreath-tutorial.html. I had them hanging inside the house. My sister's friend see them and asks where I got them. I said I made them. She then announces to my sister, "That's what I want for Christmas next year and SingMeAway can make it! ??? Really. Sister, of course, thought this was a lovely idea. She's good at being magnanimous with other peoples' time and possessions sometimes >:(. Guess I'll have to wait and see what happens next November when sister remembers, but she might be a bit surprised at the cost of the materials.

Materials and your time to go shopping for the materials and actually make the wreath, I'd say. Plus a surcharge for the fact that the friend was referring to you in the third person as "SingMeAway can make them" while you were in the room.

Or, I suppose, send your sister to the craft store with a shopping list, and your Christmas gift to her can be the work of making her Christmas present for her friend.
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« Reply #1760 on: January 12, 2017, 10:10:31 AM »

Materials and your time to go shopping for the materials and actually make the wreath, I'd say. Plus a surcharge for the fact that the friend was referring to you in the third person as "SingMeAway can make them" while you were in the room.

Or, I suppose, send your sister to the craft store with a shopping list, and your Christmas gift to her can be the work of making her Christmas present for her friend.

I love it! I think I may do that after I try lilfox's suggestion of "make it yourself"  :D

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« Reply #1761 on: January 12, 2017, 10:44:52 AM »
I may have mentioned this story before.  I forget where I read it.

Lady has a booth at a craft fair with fairly low prices set for her wares (she enjoys doing it and isn't trying to get rich off doing her *whatever they are* - say rag dolls).   She just wants to be able to sell the dolls for a bit more than the materials and the cost of the table at the craft fair cost her and a reasonable amount for her labor, as the craft (whatever it really was - I don't recall) was something that she liked to do.

Picky customer (Call her Sally, because that was not the name the friend called her) comes the first year and then drags a friend (call her Josephine) over to look at one of the dolls for an hour or more...they leave with a comment about friend Josephine making her one "because it will be cheaper".

Next year, Sally shows up again to look at the new, improved dolls for year two with Josephine while asking Josephine if she'll make her one of these, as they are "too expensive" again this year.

Josephine flat out tells Sally that it cost her several times that amount of money over the last year and more than six months to make *one* doll that Betty thought was good enough to pay her for.  Which added up to a lot more time & aggravation than she'd planned on to make "just one doll".   She's not spending the time or money to learn how to make the new doll and practice enough times to make it well enough to satisfy Sally, who you can tell she thinks is rather picky for someone who doesn't do any craftwork herself.  Sally can just buy one of those dolls on the table or live without a new, improved doll.   And Josephine refuses to look at the new doll because she apparently knows Sally well enough to know that looking the thing over will mean it turns into a project for Josephine to make for Sally, at least in Sally's mind.

Sally apparently does buy a doll, but is still making comments about how "expensive" they are compared to the cost of materials for "just one".  Sally apparently has never tried to make one herself...and I don't remember seeing an update the next year - I don't know if the Lady went to the craft fair, if the craft fair shut down, or Sally just came in and bought something without mouthing off about "how expensive" it was after that.

Definitely give your sister the option of making one for her friend while handing her the shopping list of materials and the place to find the instructions - but give her the option of paying you a lot more than it would cost for "just the materials" if she wants you to make one.  You might as well get some spending money for your time - which can be spent on something besides just covering the materials for the one you're making.  You might want to be able to buy yourself lunch once or twice, too.
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« Reply #1762 on: January 12, 2017, 10:57:09 AM »
Years ago I read about an artist commissioned to design a piece for a hotel chain for $50. He did, it got approved and several more were ordered. The price at that point was $200 each. When the difference was questioned, Artist said that the first was creative fun. The rest were work.

That is anther reason I would never do a craft for selling and made very few duplicates for friends and family.

I know that the appreciation for the time involved as well as the skill is appallingly lacking by many.

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« Reply #1763 on: October 30, 2017, 08:14:55 AM »
Was reminded of this thread a bit ago and remembered to look it up just now.

Acquaintance of mine at work suggested I donate one of my Teresa Wentzler designs :link herehttp://twdesignworks.com/Designs/index.html to the silent auction for charity at work. Or that I
might consider selling them.

My reply: "Why would I want to do that?"
Co worker's suggestion was for charity, or to earn extra money...I said I much preferred to write a check to a charity, and as far as earning money, where would she recommend I price the one she'd most admired-Lady of Shalott. CW recommended $200 and was a trifle surprised to discover that the materials, pattern, and professional framing and matting had run upwards of 215 dollars alone.

She sort of blinked and said she hadn't realized.  ??? I also pointed out that the whole reason I did the design to start with is that it is based on my favorite Tennyson poem and I would much rather have it here to look at in my own home.

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« Reply #1764 on: October 30, 2017, 08:38:18 AM »
My Dad is a professional carpenter and actually an amazing artisan, though he would *never* use that word. ;)

I saw a video on FB of someone making wine glasses out of wood and I jokingly tagged my Dad. He didn't say anything, or react in any way, so imagine my surprise when my Mom came to visit four months later, with two wine glasses turned from wood-- a gift from my Dad to me. She said that Dad jumped on the project the day I tagged him, saying that because I never ask him for anything, he was super excited and couldn't wait to make them.

I mulled that over for a little while thought I should use my words instead of assuming things...and called him to tell him the reason I've never asked for anything is because I know how much materials cost, what his time is worth, and that I had so much respect and admiration for his skill to just demand things. We had an amazing chat and then he told me that a bunch of people have asked for wine glasses too, but he's refused. He wants mine to be one of a kind.  :)

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« Reply #1765 on: October 30, 2017, 08:56:05 AM »
xrogue, people just do not have any concept of what things cost nowadays! A young friend asked if I could make her a quilt to give to her friend. Uh.... no! I gently explained that she would be looking at upwards of a minimum of $200 in fabric, thread, and batting to start with. She really had no idea. I don't want to make quilts for others anyway as I have enough to keep me busy for years. I am kind of glad that I have a somewhat expensive hobby as I have never had anyone insist.

spookycatlady, I have seen coffee mugs recently made from wood, they were beautiful. I don't remember if there were wine glasses, I don't think so. What a lovely thing for your dad to do, and to refuse to make them for others so they'd be extra special for you!

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« Reply #1766 on: October 30, 2017, 09:16:07 AM »
xrogue, people just do not have any concept of what things cost nowadays! A young friend asked if I could make her a quilt to give to her friend. Uh.... no! I gently explained that she would be looking at upwards of a minimum of $200 in fabric, thread, and batting to start with. She really had no idea. I don't want to make quilts for others anyway as I have enough to keep me busy for years. I am kind of glad that I have a somewhat expensive hobby as I have never had anyone insist.


Quite right, pattycake. no concept at all.  I guess people think fabric and thread are cheap when they see them on the store shelf and have no knowledge of the amounts involved, or any specialty items either.

The sad part? The coworker in question makes jewelry.

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« Reply #1767 on: October 30, 2017, 09:48:05 AM »
I would have thought I had posted in this thread, but I read quite a bit and didn't see it, so here goes.

I have knitted and crocheted from a young age. In HS I made a lovely crochet shawl in a floral pattern for my foster mother. Neighbor who I baby sat for wanted one and said, "I'll pay you." So I made it and she did pay me - for the yarn. I was a very shy teen and didn't say anything, heck I wouldn't even quote a price for babysitting. I just took whatever they offered. (This was the early 1970's so it was usually about $1.25 an hour).

Later on, in my 20's, I came across a woman who wanted to pay me to make her a cable sweater. I did, but did not discuss price first. The yarn was a HORRIBLE color, think baby-food-plum-spitup. I asked $150 when done, she paid half that.

My main craft is making quilts, which I have been doing since 1978, with my DH when he was alive. We made a pretty good living at it before the Chinese quilts hit the market.  Not too many freebie requests although almost all family members have gotten quilts, sometimes multiples.

But my favorite story concerns the extremely small piece quilts DH used to make, as a hobby. Think squares of fabric that start out at 5/8" square, individually cut, machine sewn and finish 1/4" square. A 3' x 3' wall quilt would have over 10,000 pieces. He did not actively try to sell them but just enjoyed making them. One time we were at a craft fair and he had one displayed, no price, just to see what people would say.

One lady admires it and asks the price. He says, "Make an offer." She offers $25. He says, nicely, "you should know it takes me about 400 hours to make a quilt like this." She thinks for a minute, then says, "How about $30?"

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« Reply #1768 on: October 30, 2017, 10:28:59 AM »
I would have thought I had posted in this thread, but I read quite a bit and didn't see it, so here goes.

I have knitted and crocheted from a young age. In HS I made a lovely crochet shawl in a floral pattern for my foster mother. Neighbor who I baby sat for wanted one and said, "I'll pay you." So I made it and she did pay me - for the yarn. I was a very shy teen and didn't say anything, heck I wouldn't even quote a price for babysitting. I just took whatever they offered. (This was the early 1970's so it was usually about $1.25 an hour).

Later on, in my 20's, I came across a woman who wanted to pay me to make her a cable sweater. I did, but did not discuss price first. The yarn was a HORRIBLE color, think baby-food-plum-spitup. I asked $150 when done, she paid half that.

My main craft is making quilts, which I have been doing since 1978, with my DH when he was alive. We made a pretty good living at it before the Chinese quilts hit the market.  Not too many freebie requests although almost all family members have gotten quilts, sometimes multiples.

But my favorite story concerns the extremely small piece quilts DH used to make, as a hobby. Think squares of fabric that start out at 5/8" square, individually cut, machine sewn and finish 1/4" square. A 3' x 3' wall quilt would have over 10,000 pieces. He did not actively try to sell them but just enjoyed making them. One time we were at a craft fair and he had one displayed, no price, just to see what people would say.

One lady admires it and asks the price. He says, "Make an offer." She offers $25. He says, nicely, "you should know it takes me about 400 hours to make a quilt like this." She thinks for a minute, then says, "How about $30?"

Whoa-- that sounds like a lot of work! I would have guessed much more than 400 hours (although I'd have lots of time spent ripping out stitches and re-doing...) Did he do images or patterns with the squares, or random? Either way would be amazing!


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« Reply #1769 on: October 30, 2017, 10:41:05 AM »
xrogue, people just do not have any concept of what things cost nowadays! A young friend asked if I could make her a quilt to give to her friend. Uh.... no! I gently explained that she would be looking at upwards of a minimum of $200 in fabric, thread, and batting to start with. She really had no idea. I don't want to make quilts for others anyway as I have enough to keep me busy for years. I am kind of glad that I have a somewhat expensive hobby as I have never had anyone insist.


Quite right, pattycake. no concept at all.  I guess people think fabric and thread are cheap when they see them on the store shelf and have no knowledge of the amounts involved, or any specialty items either.

The sad part? The coworker in question makes jewelry.

I at least have to give her credit that after learning your expenses, that she didn't argue about it.

I also didn't know that those materials were so expensive. I've noticed in passing how inexpensive many of the threads are but have no idea whether I'm just seeing 'the cheap stuff' or not, nor how far any of them go. I do my own matting & framing so I know what that costs (and that's deceptively expensive), but really don't know more than that.

What I have going for me is that I know how little I know, so I wouldn't presume a price, and I've no question that design must have taken many many hours!