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Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
« Reply #195 on: June 28, 2013, 02:47:00 PM »
Some years ago, I was asked to donate a hand-made quilt to a charity auction. The bidding was fast and furious and the final price was about $500. A man came up and expressed to me his disappointment in not winning the bidding and asked if I would make him a duplicate quilt. Sure, I said. My fee would be $375. That fee would compensate for materials and my time at $20/hour.

He refused, aghast and horrified that I would "dare" to charge "that much" for a craft.  I pointed out that he pays the plumber or mechanic $100 an hour, so $20 an hour is hardly presumptuous. "But, but... plumbers and mechanics are skilled technicians working. And you just make quilts."

Whereas, I had a friend who had the opposite problem. She quilted for a living. She HATED with a passion Double Wedding Band quilts. She wanted people to stop asking for them, so every time she was asked, she'd raise the price. She was up to $1100, this was 20 years ago, and people still ordered them.

Sounds like the Pain In The Asterisk surcharge (PITA) still had to be raised.

I read a post on a sewing business mailing list - the woman had certain customers that were NOT worth her usual charges.  She raised ALL her fees the next year and added a special surcharge for "rush" jobs - the kind where the person has the outfit for months but brings it to the seamstress for hemming, repairs, or alternations just days before the event where they NEED it (say, the MOB has everything ready except her own dress, but "she's going to loose weight", doesn't, and brings it in two days before the wedding - PITA added).

She said that the customers could still be a pain to work with - but knowing that the hours spent on their jobs made her at least double (or triple) what the same time spent on someone else's job was a stress reducer, in many ways. Not that it made it "fun" - but apparently her inner Snark liked the idea of being paid double or triple time for working overtime with "that customer".
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Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
« Reply #196 on: June 28, 2013, 02:59:52 PM »
My son, who is a Boy Scout, plans to earn his Eagle Scout rank in the next year, which is a very big deal. I am going to make the cake for his ceremony, and I am trying to prepare for it by lots of practice and slowly buying the pans I will need.

Do you have a cake decorating shop or similar near you? Some of them will rent out pans.

Some libraries rent out cake pans as well.

Not in Orlando.  :( I have been accumulating pans, I have high-quality half-sheet 3" tall, 8" square 3", and will be buying a 10" square and 12" square. I like to make special occasion cakes too, so they all will get used and I found a great source for good pans at great prices.

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Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
« Reply #197 on: June 28, 2013, 03:34:17 PM »
This thread has reminded me of something from several years ago.
By way of background I learnt German at evening classes, eventually getting to the level of passing a number of the modules of the Institute of Linguists Diploma [sadly not the final module as I couldn't find a teacher]. This meant for a number of years a lot of spare time was spent on essays, reading German etc.

My church is twinned with another in Germany and every so often a few of us visit them or they come to us. The visit naturally includes attending the service and we generally participate in one way or another. On this particular visit we were having a planning meeting a few weeks before hand, sorting out travel plans etc. and our then minister said he had been asked to preach and would be doing it in German.  I remember being slightly surprised as I didn't know he spoke German. After all this time I'm hazy on the sequence of events, but either then or later he also said I would be translating his sermon into German. I can't remember why I didn't object. I think it was a combination of wondering whether I'd forgotten some conversation, not wanting to challenge what he was saying in a public meeting, being a bit flattered that my skills were needed and being so used to having German homework that it didn't seem too out of the ordinary.

The problem was I chased him for it several times and heard nothing. In the end I decided it wasn't coming, then about ten days before the visit he sent it to me. To say it was free flowing would be an understatement. It mays well have sounded good as the spoken word, but was not grammatical or in complete sentences and some parts didn't make sense to me. I struggled with it then turned to my then sister in law, who is German, for help. She very kindly took it on, but it meant I wasn't able to hand it to him until we were travelling. (He didn't have email then). He'd been chasing me for it and if it wasn't that I'd have been letting the whole group down I would have said he would have to do without.

As it was, he'd have been better doing it in English. He had no idea how to read it in a way that made sense, so leaving both the English and German speakers in the congregation in the dark.

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Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
« Reply #198 on: June 28, 2013, 03:34:53 PM »
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    « Reply #199 on: June 28, 2013, 04:17:11 PM »
    Similar, a friend of mine once donated a homemade quilt to a charity auction that ended up going for $80. She's vowed never to donate another… she spent more on material and batting than that.

    My mom had that experience.

    When she first moved to our town, there was a bake sale. So she made a really fancy cake. When she dropped it off, she told the people, "Now there's almonds and whatever else, so that cake should be priced at about $10." The ladies said, "oh, nobody ever pays *that* much for a cake," and slapped a $5 tag on it. My mom handed them the $5 and took the cake home, and vowed never again to splurge for a bake sale.

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    Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    « Reply #200 on: June 28, 2013, 04:20:31 PM »
    Some years ago, I was asked to donate a hand-made quilt to a charity auction. The bidding was fast and furious and the final price was about $500. A man came up and expressed to me his disappointment in not winning the bidding and asked if I would make him a duplicate quilt. Sure, I said. My fee would be $375. That fee would compensate for materials and my time at $20/hour.

    He refused, aghast and horrified that I would "dare" to charge "that much" for a craft.  I pointed out that he pays the plumber or mechanic $100 an hour, so $20 an hour is hardly presumptuous. "But, but... plumbers and mechanics are skilled technicians working. And you just make quilts."

    Whereas, I had a friend who had the opposite problem. She quilted for a living. She HATED with a passion Double Wedding Band quilts. She wanted people to stop asking for them, so every time she was asked, she'd raise the price. She was up to $1100, this was 20 years ago, and people still ordered them.

    Sounds like the Pain In The Asterisk surcharge (PITA) still had to be raised.

    I read a post on a sewing business mailing list - the woman had certain customers that were NOT worth her usual charges.  She raised ALL her fees the next year and added a special surcharge for "rush" jobs - the kind where the person has the outfit for months but brings it to the seamstress for hemming, repairs, or alternations just days before the event where they NEED it (say, the MOB has everything ready except her own dress, but "she's going to loose weight", doesn't, and brings it in two days before the wedding - PITA added).

    She said that the customers could still be a pain to work with - but knowing that the hours spent on their jobs made her at least double (or triple) what the same time spent on someone else's job was a stress reducer, in many ways. Not that it made it "fun" - but apparently her inner Snark liked the idea of being paid double or triple time for working overtime with "that customer".

    And she'd know that she wasn't being taken advantage of.
    Also, when you do a tough job, you should get more money for it, right?

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    Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    « Reply #201 on: June 28, 2013, 04:53:28 PM »
    We used to have bake sales with our Cub Scout group, and cupcakes went for $1 each. I can make two dozen cupcakes for $5, then get $24 for my charity? Yes! Butter, chocolate, good dairy, etc is expensive!
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    « Reply #202 on: June 28, 2013, 05:18:53 PM »
    This thread has reminded me of something from several years ago.
    By way of background I learnt German at evening classes, eventually getting to the level of passing a number of the modules of the Institute of Linguists Diploma [sadly not the final module as I couldn't find a teacher]. This meant for a number of years a lot of spare time was spent on essays, reading German etc.

    My church is twinned with another in Germany and every so often a few of us visit them or they come to us. The visit naturally includes attending the service and we generally participate in one way or another. On this particular visit we were having a planning meeting a few weeks before hand, sorting out travel plans etc. and our then minister said he had been asked to preach and would be doing it in German.  I remember being slightly surprised as I didn't know he spoke German. After all this time I'm hazy on the sequence of events, but either then or later he also said I would be translating his sermon into German. I can't remember why I didn't object. I think it was a combination of wondering whether I'd forgotten some conversation, not wanting to challenge what he was saying in a public meeting, being a bit flattered that my skills were needed and being so used to having German homework that it didn't seem too out of the ordinary.

    The problem was I chased him for it several times and heard nothing. In the end I decided it wasn't coming, then about ten days before the visit he sent it to me. To say it was free flowing would be an understatement. It mays well have sounded good as the spoken word, but was not grammatical or in complete sentences and some parts didn't make sense to me. I struggled with it then turned to my then sister in law, who is German, for help. She very kindly took it on, but it meant I wasn't able to hand it to him until we were travelling. (He didn't have email then). He'd been chasing me for it and if it wasn't that I'd have been letting the whole group down I would have said he would have to do without.

    As it was, he'd have been better doing it in English. He had no idea how to read it in a way that made sense, so leaving both the English and German speakers in the congregation in the dark.

    It would have made a lot more sense for him to have you *read* it to the German audience, as well!
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    « Reply #203 on: June 28, 2013, 07:20:34 PM »
    As it was, he'd have been better doing it in English. He had no idea how to read it in a way that made sense, so leaving both the English and German speakers in the congregation in the dark.

    Sounds like a kit I received from a survey panel / promotional team. One item in it was a CD of a woman sing-shouting a song in Spanish. You could tell she was just flat reading the words across a page and had no idea what they meant. I was too embarrassed to pass out the CD like I had promised to  :P

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    Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    « Reply #204 on: June 28, 2013, 07:48:42 PM »
    Similar, a friend of mine once donated a homemade quilt to a charity auction that ended up going for $80. She's vowed never to donate another… she spent more on material and batting than that.

    My mom had that experience.

    When she first moved to our town, there was a bake sale. So she made a really fancy cake. When she dropped it off, she told the people, "Now there's almonds and whatever else, so that cake should be priced at about $10." The ladies said, "oh, nobody ever pays *that* much for a cake," and slapped a $5 tag on it. My mom handed them the $5 and took the cake home, and vowed never again to splurge for a bake sale.

    I've made things to donate from fabric bought on sale at $15 a yard (full price would have been $25 or higher - tapestry).  I made one from a pattern (the president of the group was the first bidder and made LOUD comments about hoping that she won because she LOVED the tapestry design - it was related to a "hobby" - golf, music, or wine - I forget which fabric I used).  Nobody bid against her....she got it for less than the cost of the fabric.

    A tote bag designed to be used for needlework (knitting, crochet, or embroidery) combined denim and a quilt patch reproduced in tapestry (Cathedral Windows) - it sold for less than a similar item would have been priced at if it had been in a fabric store - but not a whole lot less (think 75% of retail instead of 25% of retail on the purse in the earlier paragraph).  The buyer was telling me how thrilled she was to have it because it was her favorite quilt pattern (and the only "quilt" made without batting - photos http://www.bing.com/images/search?q=Cathedral+Window+Quilt&id=6834BFCF5AB526B08B348A1269C838A70A6033E9&FORM=IQFRBA - this is sometimes called a "summer quilt" because there is no batting used to make them.

    Okay - there are two ways to do the quilt design - one is cutting circles of fabric and sewing them together, finishing (or not) the bias edges, and turning them down over the squares of fabric filling in the center - if you used batting under the squares - it might be a bit warmer, but there could be gaps due to the batting being cut in squares and not in the seams.

    The other way involves cutting squares, sewing them into smaller squares in a way that leaves the edges as bias, sewing the squares into a backing, turning back the corner flaps so that they have bias edges and then turning them back to sew down by hand to form the ovals while putting fabric in the openings. I've seen the center squares filled and I've seen the ovals filled (cross shapes result instead of four pointed stars). 

    The tapestry was a lot simpler to work with.....and the right shade of blue that denim looked really nice with it.
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    Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    « Reply #205 on: June 28, 2013, 08:33:15 PM »
    I'm currently making my first commission piece.  It's a crocheted baby blanket in a sort of spiderweb pattern.

    The young lady who requested it is a stranger.  Housemate came home from the local craft shop with her info and the request to commission.  Anyway, I called her (I'm happy to crochet anything, it keeps my hands busy when watching the idjit box) and she told me a fairly sad story.  When she was a baby, she had a crocheted baby blanket in a spiderweb pattern.  Her and her mother no longer speak, and Mum refused point blank to give her the blanket when she had her own first baby.  She's been trying ever since to get one, and is now pregnant with #2.  First 'baby' is now 6!  So the poor lass has been trying for over 6 years to find somebody to do a fairly quick and simple project for her.

    Anyway, I offered to do the job, if she purchased the wool.  She asks how much to do the work.  Heck, I'd do it for nothing, I've done enough blankets to cover half of my town.  No, she insists, she wants to pay me.  I rattle off a nominal amount ($30), she agrees. 

    I work fulltime, on an hourly rate that is pretty darn good.  I couldn't, in all conscience, charge that hourly rate for something I do as a hobby.  If I was doing it for a living, yeah, I'd charge more.  Even so, I still have no real idea how much is a reasonable rate...

    Anyway, I now have the wool, and the blanket is about 1/3 done.  She purchased the most amazingly soft machine-washable baby merino wool, it's a pleasure to work with, and so far it looks brilliant!


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    « Reply #206 on: June 28, 2013, 09:52:58 PM »
    I'm currently making my first commission piece.  It's a crocheted baby blanket in a sort of spiderweb pattern.

    The young lady who requested it is a stranger.  Housemate came home from the local craft shop with her info and the request to commission.  Anyway, I called her (I'm happy to crochet anything, it keeps my hands busy when watching the idjit box) and she told me a fairly sad story.  When she was a baby, she had a crocheted baby blanket in a spiderweb pattern.  Her and her mother no longer speak, and Mum refused point blank to give her the blanket when she had her own first baby.  She's been trying ever since to get one, and is now pregnant with #2.  First 'baby' is now 6!  So the poor lass has been trying for over 6 years to find somebody to do a fairly quick and simple project for her.

    Anyway, I offered to do the job, if she purchased the wool.  She asks how much to do the work.  Heck, I'd do it for nothing, I've done enough blankets to cover half of my town.  No, she insists, she wants to pay me.  I rattle off a nominal amount ($30), she agrees. 

    I work fulltime, on an hourly rate that is pretty darn good.  I couldn't, in all conscience, charge that hourly rate for something I do as a hobby.  If I was doing it for a living, yeah, I'd charge more.  Even so, I still have no real idea how much is a reasonable rate...

    Anyway, I now have the wool, and the blanket is about 1/3 done.  She purchased the most amazingly soft machine-washable baby merino wool, it's a pleasure to work with, and so far it looks brilliant!



    Do you have the pattern?  I've been looking for a good spiderweb pattern for a couple of years now

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    « Reply #207 on: June 28, 2013, 10:03:33 PM »
    Some years ago, I was asked to donate a hand-made quilt to a charity auction. The bidding was fast and furious and the final price was about $500. A man came up and expressed to me his disappointment in not winning the bidding and asked if I would make him a duplicate quilt. Sure, I said. My fee would be $375. That fee would compensate for materials and my time at $20/hour.

    He refused, aghast and horrified that I would "dare" to charge "that much" for a craft.  I pointed out that he pays the plumber or mechanic $100 an hour, so $20 an hour is hardly presumptuous. "But, but... plumbers and mechanics are skilled technicians working. And you just make quilts."

    He said that after seeing the original sell for $500? The nerve!

    In general, if I am approached at an auction, I will ask for the maximum bid as a price (but I will accept something just below it as a counteroffer). I just don't think it is fair to the highest bidder to sell the same thing, at the same event, for less. I donate anything above time and material to the charity holding the auction.

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    Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    « Reply #208 on: June 28, 2013, 10:06:36 PM »
    Similar, a friend of mine once donated a homemade quilt to a charity auction that ended up going for $80. She's vowed never to donate another… she spent more on material and batting than that.


    My Mother, rest her soul, was asked to donate an afghan to be raffled off at  the church Christmas Fair.  She was very proud of this fact (and her work was first rate) and she bought some very pricey yarns with which to make it.  During the Fair, we went to see how the raffle was going.  To our surprise, instead of the lacy, fluffy white snow flake pattern with delicate ribbon rainbows intertwined in it afghan that Mom made, there was a (I'm sorry but it's true) brown and beige afghan with soiled bits and torn edges up instead. 

    Mom searched around to ask if her afghan has been sold.  No one knew anything except that the person whose afghan was up for the raffle was a friend of the chairman of the fair committee.  Mom searched around in the knitted and crochet goods section until she found her afghan, folded into a tight bundle and buried under a bunch of used goods with a price tag of ten dollars on it.  Since the time and materials had cost well over one hundred, Mom took the bundle, sought out one of the other coordinators and told them in no uncertain terms that the afghan was not going to be sold at all and if her work had so little value to them, they could fry ice. 

    It wasn't until months later Mom heard through the grapevine that a) event coordinator had hidden Mom's afghan on purpose with the plan of buying it herself for ten dollars and b) they made very very little on their afghan raffle because no one wanted that hideous brown on beige combo.

    Mom refused to make anything when requested again.

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    Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
    « Reply #209 on: June 29, 2013, 12:00:49 AM »
    I've done this one as a queen size bed throw:

    http://www.purplekittyyarns.com/crochet-afghan-patterns/7-point-star-throw  The colours in this one don't appeal to me, but mine came out good.  I stretched it out to a 63 point star, it looked very webby.

    This is the one I'm doing now, in cream only.

    http://www.crochetville.com/community/topic/13574-12-point-star-baby-afghan/


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