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BB-VA

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Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
« Reply #270 on: July 02, 2013, 09:14:21 PM »
Old joke about artistic symbolism:

Little Billy's kindergarten teacher sent a note home to his parents - she was VERY worried about his pictures all being done in black crayon.    The parents became alarmed, and immediately made an appointment with a child psychiatrist.

Billy goes to his appointment, and the psychiatrist goes through all the things that shrinks do to make Billy comfortable, and finally gets to the big questions - was Billy unhappy, were the other kids mean to him, did his parents abuse him, etc. etc. etc.  Billy answers no to all the questions. 

The psychiatrist finally gets fed up at not finding an answer to the stock questions.  In exasperation, he finally asks Billy - WHY are all your pictures done in black?  To which Billy answers, "It's the only crayon I have left."

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Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
« Reply #271 on: July 03, 2013, 08:39:44 AM »
I get annoyed when people admire jewelry I wear (that I make) then comment on how they really like it, but don't want to pay my rates. That is fine, I really don't want to make anything for them.

However, I have invested over $$$$ in my jewelry craft. I craft for myself primarily, as I have seen very few I give pieces to appreciate the time that went into them. I have the right lighting, good quality tools, I refuse to use plastic or acrylic beads, and I have a lot of crystal, pearls, and gemstone beads as well as sterling silver wire and findings.
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« Reply #272 on: July 03, 2013, 08:41:39 AM »
Wasn't there a story about a famous author - possibly Isaac Asimov - anonymously sitting in on a university lecture about his work?  If I remember correctly, the instructor was going on and on about the symbolism of this and the allegory of that, and Asimov finally stood up and said "Excuse me - I'm Isaac Asimov, and I didn't put any of that into my book."  The instructor sniffed "Just because you wrote it, doesn't mean you know everything about it."  Asimov sat down and shut up.   :)

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« Reply #273 on: July 03, 2013, 08:42:59 AM »
Old joke about artistic symbolism:

Little Billy's kindergarten teacher sent a note home to his parents - she was VERY worried about his pictures all being done in black crayon.    The parents became alarmed, and immediately made an appointment with a child psychiatrist.

Billy goes to his appointment, and the psychiatrist goes through all the things that shrinks do to make Billy comfortable, and finally gets to the big questions - was Billy unhappy, were the other kids mean to him, did his parents abuse him, etc. etc. etc.  Billy answers no to all the questions. 

The psychiatrist finally gets fed up at not finding an answer to the stock questions.  In exasperation,
he finally asks Billy - WHY are all your pictures done in black?  To which Billy answers, "It's the only crayon I have left."

I love this story!

 In the version I heard, young Bobby's last name was 'Zimmerman'. As a result, he was always the
last child to be  called when crayons were distributed. Therefore, the only colors he could use were grey and black.
   

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« Reply #274 on: July 03, 2013, 09:44:56 AM »
My friend Emma is pretty creative and crafty, and very into jewelry and fashion. A while ago she got into making beaded jewelry. I fear she is the kind of crafty person that a lot of people encounter, who makes them think it's okay to be greedy and demanding about crafts, because she doesn't have much spine and absolutely no head for business.

Emma was deeply in debt and had the idea of making and selling jewelry on the side as a way to, specifically, earn extra money. But, she didn't take the cost of the materials she had to buy into account when pricing her pieces, let alone the hours she spent working on them! She started doing this rather complicated thing involving braids of beads that she had copied off a designer's website, where the bracelets and necklaces were selling for something like $200. Then she would sell her versions for $25 or $40 or something like that. Now if the people she was selling to were the type to contemplate paying $200 for a necklace, they would have understood and appreciated the bargain she was giving them, but honestly the people she targeted were more likely to think $25 was pricy for a necklace, and to have never heard of the designer Emma was copying.

She was also insistent on using very pricy materials, like gemstone and Swarovski crystal beads, instead of glass that would have looked perfectly fine, and been more in line with the amount she was charging people. In other words, she didn't charge more for a necklace of real gemstones than she did for one of similarly-colored glass beads. Also, she took custom orders, meaning she ended up buying large packages of beads just to get a handful of specific ones to make one necklace. Sometimes she charged a bit more for those, but never what could actually cover her costs.

She complained to me that she got all kinds of ridiculous requests/demands, people with very specific ideas, people who didn't want to pay the price she charged, people who commissioned her to do custom work then said they didn't like it and gave it back without paying (which is one thing if the work isn't good quality or it was not made as agreed, but quite another if when you finally see it, you just realize you don't like those colors together). Certainly not everyone who gets crazy requests is somehow at fault, but given that Emma usually bent over backwards trying to accommodate them, I have to think she was only perpetuating this behavior in her "customers"...  :P
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« Reply #275 on: July 03, 2013, 09:46:45 AM »
I get annoyed when people admire jewelry I wear (that I make) then comment on how they really like it, but don't want to pay my rates. That is fine, I really don't want to make anything for them.

Are they phrasing it as "Your prices are too high. I would never pay that much" or "I'm afraid that's out of my price range" ? To me those would be two different sentiments. The first being a bit too blunt (unless you directly asked "what would you be willing to pay"), while the other would be acceptable if it was said politely and without "oh my, I could buy that at Walmart for $5."

She started doing this rather complicated thing involving braids of beads that she had copied off a designer's website, where the bracelets and necklaces were selling for something like $200.

She copies another designer's pieces ?  ???
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« Reply #276 on: July 03, 2013, 10:28:57 AM »
I get annoyed when people admire jewelry I wear (that I make) then comment on how they really like it, but don't want to pay my rates. That is fine, I really don't want to make anything for them.

Are they phrasing it as "Your prices are too high. I would never pay that much" or "I'm afraid that's out of my price range" ? To me those would be two different sentiments. The first being a bit too blunt (unless you directly asked "what would you be willing to pay"), while the other would be acceptable if it was said politely and without "oh my, I could buy that at Walmart for $5."

She started doing this rather complicated thing involving braids of beads that she had copied off a designer's website, where the bracelets and necklaces were selling for something like $200.

She copies another designer's pieces ?  ???

The bolded is what I usually hear.
ďAll that is gold does not glitter, Not all those who wander are lost; The old that is strong does not wither, Deep roots are not reached by the frost."
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« Reply #277 on: July 03, 2013, 10:41:04 AM »
I get annoyed when people admire jewelry I wear (that I make) then comment on how they really like it, but don't want to pay my rates. That is fine, I really don't want to make anything for them.

Are they phrasing it as "Your prices are too high. I would never pay that much" or "I'm afraid that's out of my price range" ? To me those would be two different sentiments. The first being a bit too blunt (unless you directly asked "what would you be willing to pay"), while the other would be acceptable if it was said politely and without "oh my, I could buy that at Walmart for $5."

She started doing this rather complicated thing involving braids of beads that she had copied off a designer's website, where the bracelets and necklaces were selling for something like $200.

She copies another designer's pieces ?  ???

The bolded is what I usually hear.

That jumped out at me too.  She better start checking to see if the designs are copyrighted or patented or whatever the correct word is.

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« Reply #278 on: July 03, 2013, 12:40:56 PM »
All the fundraising auctions reminded me of an experience I had -- as the one asking.

I was helping coordinate a fundraiser for the arts school at which I taught dance.  One of the elements was a silent auction and one of the items up for bid was from a woman who made amazing cheesecakes.  She donated a few for the dessert table at the event and I'd had some of hers before and I was so excited about her item -- she was offering either two full-sized cheesecakes or a cheesecake-making class!

It turned out to be a popular item.  She'd priced it as valued at $50 and once it got up to almost $100, I had to drop out of the bidding.  At the moment, I was unemployed (dance was out for the summer) and just back from a year of working/travelling abroad.  So money was tight.

I told her that the bidding got past my budget, but would she be willing to do a class for me at the price she'd stated as the value?

She said she'd do it for free if I made "a donation" to the arts school!  My mom, two friends, and I went and had a marvelous time and I still use her cheesecake recipe and baking tips.

Even though she was friends with my mom, and not just some random co-volunteer, I would never have contemplated asking her to do a class for me for free, so I was (happily) astonished when she made the offer. 

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« Reply #279 on: July 03, 2013, 01:39:26 PM »
Wasn't there a story about a famous author - possibly Isaac Asimov - anonymously sitting in on a university lecture about his work?  If I remember correctly, the instructor was going on and on about the symbolism of this and the allegory of that, and Asimov finally stood up and said "Excuse me - I'm Isaac Asimov, and I didn't put any of that into my book."  The instructor sniffed "Just because you wrote it, doesn't mean you know everything about it."  Asimov sat down and shut up.   :)

A college English instructor told my class a story about a former student who was getting some stories in shape to submit to a publisher.  The student was working with another professor, and had a meeting with that professor next day to go over the stories and put all the symbols in. 

Don't know if it was true or not, but this particular English instructor didn't think much of looking for symbolism in stories.
"The Universe puts us in places where we can learn. They are never easy places, but they are right. Wherever we are, it's the right place and the right time. Pain that sometimes comes is part of the process of constantly being born."
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« Reply #280 on: July 03, 2013, 02:19:18 PM »
She started doing this rather complicated thing involving braids of beads that she had copied off a designer's website, where the bracelets and necklaces were selling for something like $200.

She copies another designer's pieces ?  ???

Yeah, yet another dodgy aspect to the whole thing. Mostly she was copying their particular technique of braided bead chains as opposed to making exact replicas of each piece. But, she kept going back to the designer's website and showing me how she'd made a pink one, and they had a pink one, and she'd made one with skull beads, because they had one with skull beads. Not only was it a little shady ethically, but again, the people she was selling to couldn't care less that they had something that looked like Designer X's jewelry. Plus, she was good at making original patterns with the same general technique. I think it was just all part of Emma putting emphasis on the wrong parts of the project.
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« Reply #281 on: July 03, 2013, 03:58:38 PM »
Wasn't there a story about a famous author - possibly Isaac Asimov - anonymously sitting in on a university lecture about his work?  If I remember correctly, the instructor was going on and on about the symbolism of this and the allegory of that, and Asimov finally stood up and said "Excuse me - I'm Isaac Asimov, and I didn't put any of that into my book."  The instructor sniffed "Just because you wrote it, doesn't mean you know everything about it."  Asimov sat down and shut up.   :)

A college English instructor told my class a story about a former student who was getting some stories in shape to submit to a publisher.  The student was working with another professor, and had a meeting with that professor next day to go over the stories and put all the symbols in. 

Don't know if it was true or not, but this particular English instructor didn't think much of looking for symbolism in stories.

I had a lit class in college with a professor who had been a graduate assistant under a very recognizable author who's book we were reading (bonus point were given if we figured out that the prof was thanked in the acknowlegement section in the book  ;)). Several lit majors in the class were discussing a particular part of the chapter we were on and disagree on what the symbolism meant. the discussion grew slightly heated. Then class ended and the prof said we would start with that issue in the next session.

Next session started with the prof saying "Well, I called *author's first name* last night and he was both of those ideas are crap and he choose *item* because it would make sense both for the time period and location." The real lesson we learned that day was that "everything  does not have a hidden meaning" and both the prof and author wanted us to learn that. It was awesome as sometimes I just want to enjoy the story rather than breaking every word apart for a meaning that the author may or may not have intended.

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« Reply #282 on: July 03, 2013, 04:12:02 PM »
My 11th grade English teacher ruined reading for me for MONTHS with the "there's only one meaning in this book and this is what it is" approach.  It always made me wish for a time machine so I could go back in time and ASK the author what they meant. 
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- Delenn to Sheridan: "Babylon 5 - Distant Star"

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« Reply #283 on: July 03, 2013, 04:31:26 PM »
I remember hearing somewhere that John Lennon had written "I Am The Walrus" after finding out that students were studying some of his other lyrics as poetry.  Only he hadn't meant any hidden meaning in the lyrics, he just wanted to mess with people who went looking for them.

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« Reply #284 on: July 03, 2013, 04:34:18 PM »
Forgive me for getting a bit off-topic, but I love this thread and secretly want to see updates.

Years ago a club in which we were active had an annual Event.  Each family was required to donate one pie.  Many of us did not have the time or skill required, so went to a bakery or Perkins and spent $12.00.  The club officer cut each donated pie into 8 slices which were sold for $1.00 each, (often to ourselves,) and the club had an $8.00 profit from each donated pie!  Hurray!
Many years ago, my mother killed the annual bake sale for her women's group, by announcing that she was too busy to bake something that would sell for less than the cost of ingredients, so she would just donate the cost of the ingredients. There was a stunned silence, then most of the rest of the club joined her. By the end of the meeting, they had more pledged than they'd ever made at the bake sale, and that was the last time anyone suggested having one- after that, they had an annual no-bake sale, to which everyone donated cash.  >:D