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GlitterIsMyDrug

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Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
« Reply #525 on: February 18, 2014, 04:45:42 PM »
Those of you who are on Twitter might find @forexposure_txt an interesting read.

So I went to there and this is my favorite so far: If youíre in it for the paycheck, youíre not in it for the love of the craft.

You know how many times I've heard that for one reason or another? Most recently a friend of a friend of a friend type person wanted me to come play guitar at a party she was having. Just some light background music. I told her sure. Then I told her my fee. Her response "I thought you were real artist, a real artist would want to do this because they love to play music for people", I told her "If I want to play music for people for free, I'll stand on a street corner and do just that. Good luck finding a real artist who does it for free". Last I heard she was asking if anyone had a classical guitar CD she could borrow for "background music", guess real artists do in fact charge.

BTW, I've had people ask to negotiate on my fee for one reason or another, and often times I will. But flat out saying I should do it for free because I love doing it, nope. Not gonna wiggle for you.

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« Reply #526 on: February 18, 2014, 05:37:54 PM »
BTW, I've had people ask to negotiate on my fee for one reason or another, and often times I will. But flat out saying I should do it for free because I love doing it, nope. Not gonna wiggle for you.

I have a friend "Mary" who is a semi-professional baker (cakes and cupcakes). Recently, a customer who had ordered a cake and cupcakes had to cut back on her budget. She asked Mary how much it would cost if she just got the cake without cupcakes. Mary chose to offer her a discount on her original order (including the cupcakes), and the customer was very appreciative. Mary was happy to offer the discount for a nice customer who appreciated the value of her work but could no longer afford the full order. I bet she wouldn't have felt nearly as generous if she'd been asked to discount the order instead of paring the order back to what they could afford.

BTW, the little birthday girl loved the cake. When she saw it, she gave a huge gasp, asked "Is that my cake?", and promptly glomped onto Mary's leg with a huge hug.  ;D Mary had never met the little girl before in her life. Another generation of baker-appreciating customers in the making.

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Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
« Reply #527 on: February 18, 2014, 05:38:50 PM »
Do you want to know what all those sayings really mean?

I want you to do this, but I don't value your time enough to pay you for it.  >:(
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Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
« Reply #528 on: February 19, 2014, 01:44:11 AM »
Do you want to know what all those sayings really mean?

I want you to do this, but I don't value your time enough to pay you for it.  >:(

I would edit this to add that in some cases it's:

I want you to do this, but I don't value your time enough to pay you for it.  >:(

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Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
« Reply #529 on: February 19, 2014, 11:31:03 AM »
I would say it's more like "I want this. Since you like to do it, it's not work so of course you don't want to be paid. Pay is for work!"

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« Reply #530 on: February 19, 2014, 11:36:45 AM »
I would say it's more like "I want this. Since you like to do it, it's not work so of course you don't want to be paid. Pay is for work!"

And work is something one is to never enjoy...apparently. It actually makes me sad when people say "But you like doing it so it's not work", because how sad it is that they automatically think work=no enjoyment. Really says a lot about their own lives.

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« Reply #531 on: February 19, 2014, 12:31:31 PM »
I've run across quite a few people that think that because they would do it as a free favor for a friend or family member (if only they could), that everyone should. Several years ago, I dated a guy that was an electrician. He was constantly helping out family and friends for free (his choice, he can do it if he wants to) but he thought that was the way everyone should behave. He was indignant that his brother (who fixes/installs HVAC for a living) gave a friend a price (heavily discounted) for installing central air conditioning in their house. And he tried a few times to volunteer me to design business cards or invitations, or bake, or draw something or make jewelry... and would be honestly confused and upset when I said no or gave a price. It isn't that he didn't value me/my time, or didn't think of it as work. He fully understood that it was work, and time has value, he just believed that it was cold/shallow/morally wrong to turn a personal relationship into a business transaction. He just felt that friends and family don't charge each other for favors and there was no line at which that ended.
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Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
« Reply #532 on: February 19, 2014, 12:36:09 PM »
I've run across quite a few people that think that because they would do it as a free favor for a friend or family member (if only they could), that everyone should. Several years ago, I dated a guy that was an electrician. He was constantly helping out family and friends for free (his choice, he can do it if he wants to) but he thought that was the way everyone should behave. He was indignant that his brother (who fixes/installs HVAC for a living) gave a friend a price (heavily discounted) for installing central air conditioning in their house. And he tried a few times to volunteer me to design business cards or invitations, or bake, or draw something or make jewelry... and would be honestly confused and upset when I said no or gave a price. It isn't that he didn't value me/my time, or didn't think of it as work. He fully understood that it was work, and time has value, he just believed that it was cold/shallow/morally wrong to turn a personal relationship into a business transaction. He just felt that friends and family don't charge each other for favors and there was no line at which that ended.

Yeah, I've come across that before as well. Or people who volunteer you to do something because it makes THEM look good, and then get upset when you refuse to do it for free.

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Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
« Reply #533 on: February 19, 2014, 12:44:26 PM »
This is somewhat related ... a long time ago, my dad asked me if I'd lend a friend of his some of my books, because he knew that this friend liked the same kind of stuff I do.  I said "Sure", created a huge bagful, and Dad took it to his friend.

A couple of months later, I asked Dad if his friend was done with my books.  Dad said vaguely "Oh, I think he's still reading them."  Okay, fine, there were a lot of books there. 

A few months later - same thing.   I kept asking Dad about the books; he kept saying his friend wasn't done yet.  When a year had gone by, I got fed up and asked Dad to get the books back - I didn't care if the friend was done with them or not.  Dad got mad and said "You've got so many!  You can afford to lose a few!"

Some of those books were special to me, and I would never have loaned them out if I thought there was even a remote chance that I wouldn't get them back.  >:(

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Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
« Reply #534 on: February 19, 2014, 01:38:46 PM »
I've been making a lot of hats lately.  One of my coworker's has bought quite a few.  I do have one 'friend's and family' price and a 'general sale' price that is double.  One of the hat patterns I making for him is specific to his sons' highschool.  And he figures he is going to be asked, 'Where can I get that hat?'  So he's already asked me the price and the timeline as to when they might be done.

I told him 2015!  We'll see if any of those orders materialize.
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Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
« Reply #535 on: February 19, 2014, 01:42:06 PM »


I had week of peace, but today she called while I was at work and left a message.  She was bubbling sugar.  She said she hadnít been feeling well and hadnít felt like talking to anyone.  She effused about the granddaughterís afghan (which took me 100 hours to make).  The kicker:  She showed the afghan to a pet neighbor child, who wants to know if she can have one just like it.

"No problem, Doris!  I will show you how to do it.  It should only take you 100 hours."

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Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
« Reply #536 on: February 19, 2014, 01:44:16 PM »
I would say it's more like "I want this. Since you like to do it, it's not work so of course you don't want to be paid. Pay is for work!"

And work is something one is to never enjoy...apparently. It actually makes me sad when people say "But you like doing it so it's not work", because how sad it is that they automatically think work=no enjoyment. Really says a lot about their own lives.
DH tried that with me.  ONCE.  I'd been sewing all day on something, and my shoulders were tight.  I mentioned it, and he said something like "But you enjoy sewing!  How can it make your muscles tense?"  (All together, now, folks! Join me in the chorus of) "It's not like it's work!"
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Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
« Reply #537 on: February 19, 2014, 02:20:32 PM »
This is somewhat related ... a long time ago, my dad asked me if I'd lend a friend of his some of my books, because he knew that this friend liked the same kind of stuff I do.  I said "Sure", created a huge bagful, and Dad took it to his friend.

A couple of months later, I asked Dad if his friend was done with my books.  Dad said vaguely "Oh, I think he's still reading them."  Okay, fine, there were a lot of books there. 

A few months later - same thing.   I kept asking Dad about the books; he kept saying his friend wasn't done yet.  When a year had gone by, I got fed up and asked Dad to get the books back - I didn't care if the friend was done with them or not.  Dad got mad and said "You've got so many!  You can afford to lose a few!"

Some of those books were special to me, and I would never have loaned them out if I thought there was even a remote chance that I wouldn't get them back.  >:(

I have a feeling that your dad wanted the books out of the house permanently.   :(

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Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
« Reply #538 on: February 19, 2014, 02:38:33 PM »
I would say it's more like "I want this. Since you like to do it, it's not work so of course you don't want to be paid. Pay is for work!"

And work is something one is to never enjoy...apparently. It actually makes me sad when people say "But you like doing it so it's not work", because how sad it is that they automatically think work=no enjoyment. Really says a lot about their own lives.
DH tried that with me.  ONCE.  I'd been sewing all day on something, and my shoulders were tight.  I mentioned it, and he said something like "But you enjoy sewing!  How can it make your muscles tense?"  (All together, now, folks! Join me in the chorus of) "It's not like it's work!"

Yeah, my massage therapist always knows when I've been doing a lot of knitting by how tight the muscles are in my arms and shoulders.  She earns her money on me every three or four weeks, between my knitting, crochetting, e-Helling, skiing (winter), gardening and baseball (summer).
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Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
« Reply #539 on: February 19, 2014, 02:39:38 PM »
This isn't craft-related, but it does fit the gist of this thread.

My X-DH is a bagpiper. He has played for almost 30 yrs. He has spent a couple thousand dollars for his kit (his kilt, etc.) and his bagpipes. It's amazing how many people want him to play for free. FTR, he will play for free for certain events, such as graveside services for friends/relatives and weddings for family members. But it's very SS when people want him to play for free for a wedding (someone he doesn't even know). They're paying the florist, minister, the caterer, but the musicians have to do it for nothing? Oookay.  :P

A friend of ours who is a professional opera singer gets the same thing.  He sang for free at our wedding as his gift to us (it was discussed beforehand and mutually agreed upon) but he's told me that he's often asked to sing for functions for free, which isn't something he can afford to do.