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#### MagickMaker

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« Reply #555 on: February 20, 2014, 05:37:41 PM »
I don't craft but I do karaoke. I have all the equipment and a library of about 8,000 songs, as well as an extensive collection of regular music for DJ'ing. It started out as a hobby but for several years now I've been playing clubs and private parties for, you know, money! I do have a regular job too, so maybe this contributes to people's attitudes.

So far no one has asked for an actual freebie, but friends and friends of friends seem amazed and back off when I tell them my fee for doing their party. Apparently the fact that I've had to purchase a mixer, speakers, player and countless CDG's shouldn't factor into their need for a cheap/free KJ/DJ. Not to mention the time and effort in loading it all up, set up and tear down time and then loading it back up again only to unload at my house.  They seem to think that they're only paying for the four hours I'm playing for them and think its scandalous that I'm making $for "only four hours!" I do play free for my sister's parties, but she helps me with any computer problems I have. I'm also not "on the clock" at her parties so I can join in the fun! « Last Edit: February 20, 2014, 05:39:15 PM by MagickMaker » #### Frog24 • Member • Posts: 668 ##### Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies) « Reply #556 on: February 20, 2014, 06:10:10 PM » Same vein, but possibly slightly off topic. For many years I did a type of demonstration dancing. I have a partner and we were asked by various organizations to put on a performance for a fancy business dinner, or a holiday showcase, or even once, in the middle of a fashion show. "We just need 3 dances, so a total of 10 minutes or so, with breaks between dances." They'd tell us. Sometimes compensation would be offered (a whopping$25), or they'd offer to feed us dinner.  If the causes were good, we'd accept these casual terms.  If they weren't ideal, we'd be pressured by our coaches or higher ups in the dance world to do it anyway because "it got our sport out there and made the club look good".

Well doing hair and makeup takes time, as does driving to the event.  We'd get to the place, costumes in hand, and ask the organizer where we could change.  "Oh, we don't have anywhere specific for you.  Can't you just use the bathrooms?"  We'd say that change rooms were mentioned as part of the requirements, and get beandipped.  Okay, so I have to take my costume, costing several hundreds/thousands of dollars and try to keep it from getting wet in the toilet while I changed.

After a while, it just wasn't worth it to us to do these demos.  The benefits to us personally were never worth the output.  We actually got a bit of flack from other dancers for no longer doing these demos "for the good of the club".

#### CrochetFanatic

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« Reply #557 on: February 21, 2014, 01:54:47 PM »
Same vein, but possibly slightly off topic.  For many years I did a type of demonstration dancing.  I have a partner and we were asked by various organizations to put on a performance for a fancy business dinner, or a holiday showcase, or even once, in the middle of a fashion show.

"We just need 3 dances, so a total of 10 minutes or so, with breaks between dances." They'd tell us.  Sometimes compensation would be offered (a whopping $25), or they'd offer to feed us dinner. If the causes were good, we'd accept these casual terms. If they weren't ideal, we'd be pressured by our coaches or higher ups in the dance world to do it anyway because "it got our sport out there and made the club look good". Well doing hair and makeup takes time, as does driving to the event. We'd get to the place, costumes in hand, and ask the organizer where we could change. "Oh, we don't have anywhere specific for you. Can't you just use the bathrooms?" We'd say that change rooms were mentioned as part of the requirements, and get beandipped. Okay, so I have to take my costume, costing several hundreds/thousands of dollars and try to keep it from getting wet in the toilet while I changed. After a while, it just wasn't worth it to us to do these demos. The benefits to us personally were never worth the output. We actually got a bit of flack from other dancers for no longer doing these demos "for the good of the club". If it's so important to them, maybe they can do it! A few years back, I made a knitted apple hat for a family member's baby. They liked it so much that they asked me if I could do other fruits as well. I said I could probably do an orange, a lemon, a grape and a peach. So, I got a proposal; make one of each, and they would show the hats to the owner of a consignment store. I trusted them (silly me), so I agreed, and thought it might be a good way to sell some of my stuff. In the future, I would simply ask for the name of the store and the owner and do it myself, but here's what happened. I had to buy a couple colors I didn't have, and got to work making five fruit baby hats. The actual hats weren't a problem, but the leaves and stems had to be made and attached, and while that wasn't hard to do, it was kind of tedious. Anyway, I made the hats, handed them over, and waited to hear back. About a month later, after making a couple phone calls to Family Member and having the conversation get redirected, he finally admitted that he had intended to do as he had said, but the shop had closed, and he didn't know what else to do, so he kept the hats for his daughter. Uhhh...how about maybe, oh, I don't know, giving them back? When I got a little annoyed and said I wished he had told me so that I wouldn't have waited around for a month, and I would have appreciated it if I'd gotten the hats back, or if he'd at least asked me if they could keep them. I probably would have said yes. He got mad, bawled me out about how rude it was to ask for something after it's already been given (), and pointed out, "Besides, you like making them, don't you?" I had fun making the first two. After that, it was a pain in the butt. Never got those hats back. I don't want the hats, but it's the principle of the thing. Sooo...what else could I do? I let the matter drop, and took it as a learning experience. #### Shalamar • Member • Posts: 288 ##### Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies) « Reply #558 on: February 21, 2014, 03:22:28 PM » Those hats sound adorable, CrochetFanatic. I wish I could see pictures! #### Alli8098 • Member • Posts: 247 ##### Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies) « Reply #559 on: February 21, 2014, 03:34:22 PM » Same vein, but possibly slightly off topic. For many years I did a type of demonstration dancing. I have a partner and we were asked by various organizations to put on a performance for a fancy business dinner, or a holiday showcase, or even once, in the middle of a fashion show. "We just need 3 dances, so a total of 10 minutes or so, with breaks between dances." They'd tell us. Sometimes compensation would be offered (a whopping$25), or they'd offer to feed us dinner.  If the causes were good, we'd accept these casual terms.  If they weren't ideal, we'd be pressured by our coaches or higher ups in the dance world to do it anyway because "it got our sport out there and made the club look good".

Well doing hair and makeup takes time, as does driving to the event.  We'd get to the place, costumes in hand, and ask the organizer where we could change.  "Oh, we don't have anywhere specific for you.  Can't you just use the bathrooms?"  We'd say that change rooms were mentioned as part of the requirements, and get beandipped.  Okay, so I have to take my costume, costing several hundreds/thousands of dollars and try to keep it from getting wet in the toilet while I changed.

After a while, it just wasn't worth it to us to do these demos.  The benefits to us personally were never worth the output.  We actually got a bit of flack from other dancers for no longer doing these demos "for the good of the club".

If it's so important to them, maybe they can do it!

A few years back, I made a knitted apple hat for a family member's baby.  They liked it so much that they asked me if I could do other fruits as well.  I said I could probably do an orange, a lemon, a grape and a peach.  So, I got a proposal; make one of each, and they would show the hats to the owner of a consignment store.  I trusted them (silly me), so I agreed, and thought it might be a good way to sell some of my stuff.

In the future, I would simply ask for the name of the store and the owner and do it myself, but here's what happened.  I had to buy a couple colors I didn't have, and got to work making five fruit baby hats.  The actual hats weren't a problem, but the leaves and stems had to be made and attached, and while that wasn't hard to do, it was kind of tedious.  Anyway, I made the hats, handed them over, and waited to hear back.  About a month later, after making a couple phone calls to Family Member and having the conversation get redirected, he finally admitted that he had intended to do as he had said, but the shop had closed, and he didn't know what else to do, so he kept the hats for his daughter.

Uhhh...how about maybe, oh, I don't know, giving them back?

When I got a little annoyed and said I wished he had told me so that I wouldn't have waited around for a month, and I would have appreciated it if I'd gotten the hats back, or if he'd at least asked me if they could keep them.  I probably would have said yes.  He got mad, bawled me out about how rude it was to ask for something after it's already been given (), and pointed out, "Besides, you like making them, don't you?"

I had fun making the first two.  After that, it was a pain in the butt.

Never got those hats back.  I don't want the hats, but it's the principle of the thing.  Sooo...what else could I do?  I let the matter drop, and took it as a learning experience.

That would make me really mad.  You didn't make those extra ones as gifts so he should have returned them.  Honestly now I wish I knew how to crochet some cute baby hats since we a new baby arriving in July.  You've inspired me to attempt to learn how; and not necessarily fruit ones just something cute.  I hope he didn't sour you on extending your talent to those that are grateful for it.

#### EMuir

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« Reply #560 on: February 21, 2014, 03:38:14 PM »
I stopped lending out books when my SIL borrowed a whole series of six paperbacks that had been given to me by a good friend as a birthday gift.  I never bent a book's spine and I cautioned her that I liked my books kept presentable on a shelf.

You guessed it, the spines were so broken when I got them all back that you could barely read the titles. I told my brother she needed to buy me new ones, of course he didn't want to ask her, and eventually he gave me money for half the cost of buying new ones and I gave him the tattered ones to give back to SIL.

#### Valentines Mommy

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« Reply #561 on: February 21, 2014, 04:26:32 PM »
Before my spine made itself known, I was voluntold that I would be singing for free for various churches, weddings, the high school jazz band's annual fundraiser. It didn't dawn on me that I could make money doing these things until I got to college!

After I realized how much money I was losing, I started charging. $50 for a rehearsal,$75 for the day of. For that price, I prepared 2 songs. That's hours of practice to study and memorize new material. Each extra song, $15. Oh the complaints I received! It's good exposure for you. It's good practice. You would charge your old high school (absolutely, the band director was a horses patoot!)!? I found that if people had to pay for my services, they valued them more. My paying customers were a joy. The ones who wanted freebies were nightmares. I only sing for free in the shower these days. #### gmatoy • Member • Posts: 2921 ##### Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies) « Reply #562 on: February 21, 2014, 07:12:47 PM » My aunt likes to come over to my house and borrow books without telling me. So now I have an aunt shelf, full of books I don't mind disappearing. the important books are on a small bookcase, hidden behind some hardbacks. I wouldn't have an aunt any more. No, really. My books have kept me company when stationed thousands of miles from home (Army), they have comforted me when I was first married and had the MIL from he--, they have given me strength and courage as I fought through the pain of my disability and have made realize that I am a worthy person even when my depression issues were over whelming me. No one messes with my treasures! #### VorFemme • Member • Posts: 13741 • It's too darned hot! (song from Kiss Me, Kate) ##### Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies) « Reply #563 on: February 21, 2014, 08:30:26 PM » I "loaned" Apollo of the Weasels (aka VorGuy's old roommate after high school and someone he ran track with in high school who was his friend for some fourteen years) a copy of the new Heinlein paperback because he had started reading it while visiting us in college. It was two years before I got it back, the spine was broken, pages were loose, and I was NOT happy either with him taking it to Europe when he was in the military or taking until after his enlistment ended to get it back to me. Last time I willingly loaned anyone except my mother or sister a book for years. Then I would loan them to my daughter.... VorGuy still doesn't get the idea that books are not interchangeable for me - they are treasures and I hoard them as much as any miser might. I grew up with a very small disposable income - it took at least month to save enough to buy one paperback and I hated it when the price of a paperback went up even five cents - because it cut how many books I could buy in a year by ONE. And my allowance went up more slowly than the cost of living.... Getting my first job was great - but I was paying my own way through college - so textbooks & classes came ahead of a new fun book. Which is part of why I hounded Apollo of the Weasels to get that one book back...and still hate to see a book that *I* bought for myself not be on the shelf when I want to re-read it (or take it to Half Price Books to trade it in). Let sleeping dragons be.......morning breath......need I explain? #### PastryGoddess • Member • Posts: 6298 ##### Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies) « Reply #564 on: February 21, 2014, 09:00:06 PM » My aunt likes to come over to my house and borrow books without telling me. So now I have an aunt shelf, full of books I don't mind disappearing. the important books are on a small bookcase, hidden behind some hardbacks. I wouldn't have an aunt any more. No, really. My books have kept me company when stationed thousands of miles from home (Army), they have comforted me when I was first married and had the MIL from he--, they have given me strength and courage as I fought through the pain of my disability and have made realize that I am a worthy person even when my depression issues were over whelming me. No one messes with my treasures! The books she borrows are ones that I get specifically from the free book store for that shelf. Most of my books are hard cover, the paperback that are my favorites are hidden away and if she asks, I'm willing to say no. So far she hasn't gotten through the shelf o'books yet. #### TheWeirdOne • Member • Posts: 68 ##### Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies) « Reply #565 on: February 21, 2014, 10:25:18 PM » TheNormalGuy got me some leatherworking tools for christmas, (along with a list of things he would like). We discussed this before he got them, he buys the tools and materials, I do the actual tooling, on my own schedule. And hey, I wanted to try it out anyway, so it's win-win. He's asked for a fancy sword belt/holder (he's a reenactor/fencer) and I'm happy to make that, but then he uttered the dreaded words... Him: When it's done if any of the other fencers want one we could sell them! Me: ...Well sure, but they'd be a bit pricey, I don't think anyone would want one. Him: They can't be that much. Me: They'd probably start at$1000.

Cue  from him and an explanation that, in addition to wear and tear on tools, supplies and designing and making the thing, I insist on being paid for my time. I have a job and a thesis and not enough time as it is, so if I'm going to do any kind of artwork for anyone else I need to at least make minimum wage.

I came across a great response to the issue of pricing, and I think it's relevant, so here you go:
http://magweno.tumblr.com/post/74205408531/as-per-request-my-response-to-a-dumb-comment-on

#### jedikaiti

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« Reply #566 on: February 21, 2014, 10:42:40 PM »
My aunt likes to come over to my house and borrow books without telling me.  So now I have an aunt shelf, full of books I don't mind disappearing.  the important books are on a small bookcase, hidden behind some hardbacks.
I wouldn't have an aunt any more. No, really. My books have kept me company when stationed thousands of miles from home (Army), they have comforted me when I was first married and had the MIL from he--, they have given me strength and courage as I fought through the pain of my disability and have made realize that I am a worthy person even when my depression issues were over whelming me. No one messes with my treasures!

The books she borrows are ones that I get specifically from the free book store for that shelf.  Most of my books are hard cover, the paperback that are my favorites are hidden away and if she asks, I'm willing to say no.  So far she hasn't gotten through the shelf o'books yet.

Why does she have access?
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#### aiki

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« Reply #567 on: February 22, 2014, 02:16:41 AM »

Him: When it's done if any of the other fencers want one we could sell them!
Me: ...Well sure, but they'd be a bit pricey, I don't think anyone would want one.
Him: They can't be that much.
Me: They'd probably start at $1000. Cue from him and an explanation that, in addition to wear and tear on tools, supplies and designing and making the thing, I insist on being paid for my time. I find it better to quote "about X hours at$<reasonable> per hour" and let them do the maths themselves. Then when their jaw has hit the floor, add "plus material, of course."

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#### StarDrifter

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« Reply #568 on: February 22, 2014, 07:21:05 AM »
I'm a baker (when the urge strikes, and of late it has been striking a LOT). I bake cookies and shortbreads at Christmas and spend a lot of hours decorating them for various events.

The number of people who have asked me to 'just whip up' a batch of something for their event, and have been *very* upset when I quote a price for customised shortbreads or cookies... well.

But there has been an almost equal number who have said 'oh that's very reasonable, how much time would it take you and would you need someone to watch BabyDrifter while you decorate?'

(those people get extra cookies, the ones who watch the baby and keep her entertained while I bake and decorate).
... it might frighten them.
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#### Runningstar

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« Reply #569 on: February 22, 2014, 07:34:27 AM »
This may not fit in exactly here, but I work at a bakery/candy place and we make lots of different goodies.  At the end of a long, tiring day, we get to take home a little goodie bag of things we made as a little treat.  Awesome!!  But, I don't want to eat it all myself, so I often share it with friends and neighbors.  Nothing big, but say a couple of the new cookies we made.  Unfortunately, people have gotten to where they just assume that I can get oodles of this stuff for free.  I've been told to bring a pound of that fudge, or those rolls.  It doesn't work like this.  I get a small sample of what we made, the boss insists, if I need a dozen rolls, I need to pay for them.  And, we really don't get much of a discount, so for me to bring \$30 worth of goodies would be crushing to my finances.