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Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
« Reply #840 on: April 06, 2014, 02:28:45 PM »
Fashion Patterns by Connie Crawford (she also has a line in the Butterick catalog) goes up to 6X - on her website, she used to do (and may still do) come custom patterns for basic pants, shirts, and the like.  Basic pants and a t-shirt for a guy might be worth the investment in the custom pattern. 

Nobody cares if your black pants are cut to the same pattern as your navy, brown, and khaki pants or if you have ten t-shirts that are identical except for color....or polo shirts, if he wants to dress up a level to "business casual" instead of "casual" (or are the t-shirts you're looking for white underwear shirts?).

I'm assuming you could learn to sew.  Or possibly he could...getting clothes that FIT comfortably is very motivating!

Thanks for the info!  I do sew but am no good at altering patterns,so my attempts to finish. Him have pretty bad.  I'll have to check these out.

More expensive than patterns drawn out to measurements is pattern drafting software.

Cheapest alternative might be Wild Ginger's Click & Sew patterns on CD (no longer made) but a polo shirt, a t-shirt, and pants take both men & women to a LOT of events - I'd suggest eBay or Amazon.

There might be other patterns on CD - I just don't know the company name right off the top of my head.

Wild Ginger also has clothing drafting programs for home (higher cost than just one or two styles on CD to be scaled up or down by entering measurements) or professional use (more expensive) - but they'd let you make just about anything he (or you) could possibly dream up - depending on which programs that you bought.  Most plain shirts can be made in mirror image to the instructions for women to button on the correct side for a guy to use.  Same thing for the zipper on the fly....just apply it on the left where it says right for a woman's garment.  Pockets still go in the front and back....I've run into some people who seem to take the instruction to "mirror image" something a little too literally, can you tell?

http://www.sewingpatterns.com/subpage.php?new_category=all_products&brand=Leko&model=019leko - all the current menswear patterns.  I've never used these - but they do look like they'd be an alternative that wouldn't cost an arm & a leg to try!  Look to the left where it says Men and (3) to find the other two CDs.  All three men's collections seem to have pants and various tops that could be casual or dressy, depending on the fabric used.

The one with the guy in a suit would give you a wider range of clothing from business to casual to very casual where the sportswear or athletic wear would be casual to very casual.
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Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
« Reply #841 on: April 06, 2014, 03:40:43 PM »
My husband is a software engineer for some background.His Aunt's boyfriend asked him for some advice about an idea he had for a website. So far so good,then he asked about hiring him to make and run the website. My husband considered it until Aunt's boyfriend  fully explained the what he wanted.

He basically wanted a huge real estate database something like Truila. He wanted my husband to build this database and run it for a flat fee of $500!!!  :o

When Dh said that won't be possible at all Aunt's boyfriend tried pulling the family card  and whined he deserved a discount! DH declined.

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Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
« Reply #842 on: April 06, 2014, 05:47:39 PM »
A musician responds to a restaurant's online ad for local bands to play.  While it does not explicitly say that it is not a paying gig, no mention of compensation is noted in the ad:  http://i.imgur.com/YZzTBKy.jpg

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Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
« Reply #843 on: April 06, 2014, 11:08:13 PM »
A musician responds to a restaurant's online ad for local bands to play.  While it does not explicitly say that it is not a paying gig, no mention of compensation is noted in the ad:  http://i.imgur.com/YZzTBKy.jpg

This felt unnecessarily snarky to me.  Yes, established bands will usually get paid for gigs like that - but there's also a pretty solid tradition of open mic nights and such, where musicians *don't* get paid and *do* perform for free in the hope of selling some CDs and building an audience.  I can understand the snark if the restaurant specifically contacted the musician, but not if they just put out an open call.

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Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
« Reply #844 on: April 06, 2014, 11:58:41 PM »
A musician responds to a restaurant's online ad for local bands to play.  While it does not explicitly say that it is not a paying gig, no mention of compensation is noted in the ad:  http://i.imgur.com/YZzTBKy.jpg

This felt unnecessarily snarky to me.  Yes, established bands will usually get paid for gigs like that - but there's also a pretty solid tradition of open mic nights and such, where musicians *don't* get paid and *do* perform for free in the hope of selling some CDs and building an audience.  I can understand the snark if the restaurant specifically contacted the musician, but not if they just put out an open call.

I hope you were referring to the ad and not to my comments.  I'm not sure how I was snarky in my post :-\

I agree that the response to the Craigslist ad was a bit much... but there could be a backstory or a history that we're not aware of (even though it's a public forum like Craigslist). 

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Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
« Reply #845 on: April 07, 2014, 11:10:51 AM »
I think that's partly it but labour is a big part too. The cloth only had to be cheaper than the made item. The housewife's labour was free. If it took 20 hours to knit a sweater and you only saved 20% of the cost, you were still ahead, especially if you were living very close to poverty.

Sometimes making it yourself *is* cheaper.  I keep telling people that 'Sewing for ME is cheap.  Sewing for YOU is not.' 

I found a wonderful linen blend a couple of years ago, that I LOVE, for just about $3 a yard.  I bought 42 yards of it.  I make myself pants out of it, loose-fitting pants with elastic waist and pockets.  They wear pretty well for linen, look really nice, and wash well.  (They're not tailored.  I don't wear tailored anything).
So basically, they cost me $6 a pair, for the fabric and 2 hours of labor.  At my size, finding pants with pockets AND a long enough inseam for less than $50 is difficult.

And that linen is now $8 a yard.
THis is where some things do get cheaper--kinda like how making jam is more expensive than buying it...unless you own a fruit tree.
(making peanut butter costs about the same per jar as buying it--except when I can buy the nuts on sale.)

I buy fabric remnants often--and I can sew myself a basic snack bag out of them for 1/3 the cost of buying them--but that's because they're easy to make.
I don't make them to sell though, because my sewing isn't good enough for that.  It's good enough for gifts to family members only :)

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Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
« Reply #846 on: April 07, 2014, 11:34:54 AM »
A musician responds to a restaurant's online ad for local bands to play.  While it does not explicitly say that it is not a paying gig, no mention of compensation is noted in the ad:  http://i.imgur.com/YZzTBKy.jpg

This felt unnecessarily snarky to me.  Yes, established bands will usually get paid for gigs like that - but there's also a pretty solid tradition of open mic nights and such, where musicians *don't* get paid and *do* perform for free in the hope of selling some CDs and building an audience.  I can understand the snark if the restaurant specifically contacted the musician, but not if they just put out an open call.

I hope you were referring to the ad and not to my comments.  I'm not sure how I was snarky in my post :-\

I agree that the response to the Craigslist ad was a bit much... but there could be a backstory or a history that we're not aware of (even though it's a public forum like Craigslist).

Oops, sorry, yes!  I meant the article, not you  :-[

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Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
« Reply #847 on: April 07, 2014, 04:45:02 PM »
A musician responds to a restaurant's online ad for local bands to play.  While it does not explicitly say that it is not a paying gig, no mention of compensation is noted in the ad:  http://i.imgur.com/YZzTBKy.jpg

This felt unnecessarily snarky to me.  Yes, established bands will usually get paid for gigs like that - but there's also a pretty solid tradition of open mic nights and such, where musicians *don't* get paid and *do* perform for free in the hope of selling some CDs and building an audience.  I can understand the snark if the restaurant specifically contacted the musician, but not if they just put out an open call.

I hope you were referring to the ad and not to my comments.  I'm not sure how I was snarky in my post :-\

I agree that the response to the Craigslist ad was a bit much... but there could be a backstory or a history that we're not aware of (even though it's a public forum like Craigslist).

I don't think that the response was snarky. In fact, if anything it was far too mild. There's a big, big problem of artists being asked to do stuff for free in the name of "exposure." Take the issues in this thread of hobby crafters being asked to do stuff and now imagine that it's your profession that you're being asked to give away for free. The original ad wasn't for an open-mic night, it was someone looking for a professional to give away their services in the name of "exposure." Tremendously insulting. That's your back story -- it's one that comes up again and again. Pretty much every professional musician that I know has had that kind of request. Other artists, too.

"Exposure" isn't valuable compensation.
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Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
« Reply #848 on: April 07, 2014, 06:02:59 PM »
I think the problem with 'exposure', is whether it leads to any career- advancing option. I might like the band a lot, but I don't hire bands, nor do I know anyone who hires bands. I might go back more often to listen, but even so, if they're not getting paid, how does that help them? I really doubt that a restauranteur who's getting the band for free is going to start paying them unless the place is packed with customers who say that the only reason they're there is for the band. That might work with a nightclub...but there's other things that might be the explanation for increased business, such as an improved menu, or the restaurant itself getting more exposure.

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Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
« Reply #849 on: April 07, 2014, 06:13:34 PM »
Now, I can see the benefit of performing for free if you're a band who's never played any gigs before. Then, at least you can get a couple of shows under your belt and you have something to say to club/bar managers when they ask where you've played previously.

HOWEVER, the people who want free work from creative types almost never want that sort of standard. They want professional quality. They just don't want to pay for it, and they think that their dubious offer of 'publicity' should be payment enough.




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« Reply #850 on: April 07, 2014, 06:34:32 PM »
Back in the 1970s something like that happened to a friend of mine.  She was starting work as a free-lance designer and had the opportunity to design a shop window for a major retailer in Manhattan. 

She was given a choice.  She could either have her name displayed in the window as the designer or she could get paid for her work.

Some choice.

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Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
« Reply #851 on: April 07, 2014, 06:59:41 PM »
I think that's partly it but labour is a big part too. The cloth only had to be cheaper than the made item. The housewife's labour was free. If it took 20 hours to knit a sweater and you only saved 20% of the cost, you were still ahead, especially if you were living very close to poverty.

Sometimes making it yourself *is* cheaper.  I keep telling people that 'Sewing for ME is cheap.  Sewing for YOU is not.' 

I found a wonderful linen blend a couple of years ago, that I LOVE, for just about $3 a yard.  I bought 42 yards of it.  I make myself pants out of it, loose-fitting pants with elastic waist and pockets.  They wear pretty well for linen, look really nice, and wash well.  (They're not tailored.  I don't wear tailored anything).
So basically, they cost me $6 a pair, for the fabric and 2 hours of labor.  At my size, finding pants with pockets AND a long enough inseam for less than $50 is difficult.

And that linen is now $8 a yard.

Your calculations work because you didn't account for any labour for yourself, which was my point.

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Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
« Reply #852 on: April 07, 2014, 09:04:15 PM »
I think that's partly it but labour is a big part too. The cloth only had to be cheaper than the made item. The housewife's labour was free. If it took 20 hours to knit a sweater and you only saved 20% of the cost, you were still ahead, especially if you were living very close to poverty.

Sometimes making it yourself *is* cheaper.  I keep telling people that 'Sewing for ME is cheap.  Sewing for YOU is not.' 

I found a wonderful linen blend a couple of years ago, that I LOVE, for just about $3 a yard.  I bought 42 yards of it.  I make myself pants out of it, loose-fitting pants with elastic waist and pockets.  They wear pretty well for linen, look really nice, and wash well.  (They're not tailored.  I don't wear tailored anything).
So basically, they cost me $6 a pair, for the fabric and 2 hours of labor.  At my size, finding pants with pockets AND a long enough inseam for less than $50 is difficult.

And that linen is now $8 a yard.

Your calculations work because you didn't account for any labour for yourself, which was my point.

If your choice is spending two hours cutting & sewing to get a garment that FITS or spend three hours shopping & trying on things to see if you can find something that FITS - then using the time to sew is cheaper in the long run.  It also causes a lot less aggravation and will not raise your blood pressure (unless the sewing machine breaks in the middle of the project - don't ask - it would require words not allowed on this forum to convey my feelings on the matter). 

I learned that it was easier to make three swimsuits for DD in high school (swim team) to get enough support & coverage for her practice suits - then be able to whip out another one or two quickly during the season, once swimsuits of any kind were no longer being sold in stores (October through January) in less than two hours.  It was a two hour drive to get to the closest Speedo swimsuit place and back home - they didn't carry suits in the correct size - they were apparently just not made for busty mermaids on the swim team.
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Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
« Reply #853 on: April 08, 2014, 10:45:47 AM »
I crocheted myself a "foot of the bed" blanket years ago.  It fits across my queen size bed and comes up about 1/3 of the bed to keep my feet warm.   

It took about 60-80 hours of my labor and the simple washable yarn cost about $35  (It will probably last forever)

My MIL asked if she bought the yarn would I make her one out of some type of cashmere yarn.  I said sure it will take this many skeins...  MIL was stunned at the cost of the yarn and said never mind.

Agreeing with all the other pp, people have no idea what things cost to make - not counting the labor.   

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« Reply #854 on: April 08, 2014, 10:59:00 AM »
Yeah, I laugh at what people think something costs vs. what it actually does cost.  A friend lost her mind years ago when I told her what I charged to do the beading on a wedding dress.  The dress was purchased, the beading design was a peacock with paisley design embellishments on the train and around the skirt that took 15 different types of beads and over 40 hours of painstaking work.  Apparently I should have just charged her $50, because "it's just beads".

Yeah.  Also, first and last time I did that.  That was in 1998 and I don't think my eyes or fingers have recovered.