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Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
« Reply #420 on: September 07, 2013, 10:41:30 PM »
This past week I was asked . . .

1. To make a dream catcher for some friend of a friend's new baby.  Friend handed me yarn in the colors I'm to use and told me how she wanted it done.  Also, she'd making some cotton ball bees and cartoon characters that I'm to hang off the bottom.  This makes me cringe, but it's not a lot of work, so maybe.

2. To crochet an afghan for a friend's son.  I can make it however I want, but it has to be camoflauge and must have a certain university logo on it.  Friend knows how to crochet, but I'm "so much better at it".    No.

3. To make six copies of a wedding photo, because I "have a nice printer".  I have an average printer, but I do have expensive photo paper.  No.  Go to Kinko's or the library.

4. To retype a 30-page document for Dad because his copy is stained. It's not something he needs or particularly wants.  No. 
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« Reply #421 on: September 09, 2013, 01:59:58 PM »
My grandmother is the primary caregiver for her daughter, who has fairly advanced MS.  Her daughter loves music, especially folk music.  She recently asked my grandmother, who is not incredibly technically literate, if she could make a blown-up copy of some album notes for her.  So my grandmother spent a considerable amount of time trying to figure out how to photocopy these liner notes and make them larger.  She finally figured it out and brought it over, so proud of herself.  My aunt, without even thanking her, said, "Put it in <the artist's> file."  Somehow I doubt my grandmother will be making effort for the next such request.
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Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
« Reply #422 on: September 09, 2013, 03:39:04 PM »
A person I knew from years ago at university, "John", contacted me out of the blue today. I had never liked this person, who was well-known to like nothing better than inciting arguments, and would bicker just for the sake of bickering. Needless to say, we were acquaintances only because we shared so many classes.

I am a very casual artist, and when I have the time, I do highly-detailed pencil sketches wherein I aim for photo-realism. These take upwards of 8 hours, and I've had several commissioned and sold for a few hundred dollars each. John remembered these drawings and wanted me to do a sketch of him. I didn't particularly want to draw someone I dislike, but would have felt guilty for flat-out saying no, so I said sure, and told him the usual prices people had paid in the past.

His response? "Oh, I know other people have to pay and stuff, but we both know I don't have to, thanks. It's just a drawing." He wanted 8-12 hours of work for free. If we were best buddies and it was his birthday or something, then I might do this. But not for this guy I hardly knew and found what I did know unpleasant. It took me quite a bit of effort not to tell him that if it was "just a drawing" that was worth nothing then he could bolly well do without it.

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Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
« Reply #423 on: September 09, 2013, 04:49:41 PM »
A person I knew from years ago at university, "John", contacted me out of the blue today. I had never liked this person, who was well-known to like nothing better than inciting arguments, and would bicker just for the sake of bickering. Needless to say, we were acquaintances only because we shared so many classes.

I am a very casual artist, and when I have the time, I do highly-detailed pencil sketches wherein I aim for photo-realism. These take upwards of 8 hours, and I've had several commissioned and sold for a few hundred dollars each. John remembered these drawings and wanted me to do a sketch of him. I didn't particularly want to draw someone I dislike, but would have felt guilty for flat-out saying no, so I said sure, and told him the usual prices people had paid in the past.

His response? "Oh, I know other people have to pay and stuff, but we both know I don't have to, thanks. It's just a drawing." He wanted 8-12 hours of work for free. If we were best buddies and it was his birthday or something, then I might do this. But not for this guy I hardly knew and found what I did know unpleasant. It took me quite a bit of effort not to tell him that if it was "just a drawing" that was worth nothing then he could bolly well do without it.

Two suggestions:
1) Send him a stick figure drawing of him and tell him this is the "free" version.

2) Have you seen the Simpsons episode where Marge (secretly a good artist) is commissioned to paint a portrait of Mr. Burns?  She is disgusted by his rude behavior towards her family and ends up doing a greatly detailed portrait of him unclothed, all skin and bones and under-endowed to boot.   >:D

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« Reply #424 on: September 09, 2013, 04:52:49 PM »
Mr Burns: "By the way, thank you for not poking fun at my manhood."
Marge: "I thought I did."
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« Reply #425 on: September 09, 2013, 04:53:39 PM »
Oh my, I loved that Simpsons episode, but associating someone as unpleasant as John with nudity is sickening.

I might send him a blank piece of paper, with a note explaining that that is how much $0 gets him, but honestly I wouldn't want to waste the dollar or whatever on postage for this guy.

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« Reply #426 on: September 09, 2013, 08:12:07 PM »
Just email it to him.

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Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
« Reply #427 on: September 11, 2013, 08:02:18 AM »

A co-worker and his wife are expecting and I offered to make the cake for the work shower to save other people $$$ and because I know the cake will come out well. Today, co-worker's assistant was surprised when I said I would make the cake and cupcakes and bring everything to serve them, but I was not bringing anything else. It will cost me at least $30 in supplies, and I do not expect to be reimbursed. Why would I be expected to provide drinks/punch, cups and serving equipment?




Co-worker's assistant (CWA) just happened to be at my office yesterday along with another member of our department. The other person is a very close friend of mine and I told her how frustrated I am by CWA's indecisiveness and procrastination about this event. The cake and cupcakes will still be the same, but I don't know if this is part of a meeting, a luncheon, or what! My friend offered to bring chips and dip and all the paper products, mainly so I am not asked to do that as well.

CWA is planning to decide this during the staff meeting next week, with the GOH present!
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Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
« Reply #428 on: September 11, 2013, 09:10:48 AM »
A person I knew from years ago at university, "John", contacted me out of the blue today. I had never liked this person, who was well-known to like nothing better than inciting arguments, and would bicker just for the sake of bickering. Needless to say, we were acquaintances only because we shared so many classes.

I am a very casual artist, and when I have the time, I do highly-detailed pencil sketches wherein I aim for photo-realism. These take upwards of 8 hours, and I've had several commissioned and sold for a few hundred dollars each. John remembered these drawings and wanted me to do a sketch of him. I didn't particularly want to draw someone I dislike, but would have felt guilty for flat-out saying no, so I said sure, and told him the usual prices people had paid in the past.

His response? "Oh, I know other people have to pay and stuff, but we both know I don't have to, thanks. It's just a drawing." He wanted 8-12 hours of work for free. If we were best buddies and it was his birthday or something, then I might do this. But not for this guy I hardly knew and found what I did know unpleasant. It took me quite a bit of effort not to tell him that if it was "just a drawing" that was worth nothing then he could bolly well do without it.

What did you tell him?

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Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
« Reply #429 on: September 11, 2013, 10:11:21 AM »
I stated somewhat laconically that I was quite busy working these days and simply couldn't afford to take a day off because I'd lose a much needed day's pay. So no matter how much I might want to draw for him, without any remuneration, it unfortunately wouldn't be possible. And he wouldn't want me to get into financial trouble, would he?

I pretty much copied-and-pasted the last sentence for each of his responses thereafter ("But it's only a day!" "It's not worth money, though!" etc.) maybe five or six times before not replying anymore. Otherwise, this guy would just keep emailing single-sentence "arguments" for all eternity and any response he got would just encourage him to keep going (he thrives on drama and bickering), and it isn't my job to feed the flame. This whole thing may have been started because he was bored and emailed someone on his contact list whom he hadn't annoyed lately, but at least I can say I gave him the benefit of the doubt.

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Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
« Reply #430 on: September 11, 2013, 11:23:17 AM »
I've lost count of the amount of people who say "But...why would you charge me? I'm your *however we happen to know each other*".

I knit, I sew, I occasionally take old jewelry and make it into something new (but this is very occasional and usually just for personal use), and for my job I write and I also am a musical therapist (and can play several instruments).

I love to knit, it's how I distress. However, I live in a warm climate and frankly between the two of us we only need so many hats and scarves. So I often knit up hats and give them to my friends or their kids. Recently I had a friend have a baby (in May and he's cute as all get out!), and when she told me she was expecting a boy I made up a few baby hats, two pairs of booties, and little stuffed animal. She's since asked if I'd mind knitting her up a few more hats as the ones I made her were awesome but he's getting a little too big for them. She offered to pay me, or at least pay for my supplies. I have a huge stock of yarn (given to me by a friend of my mom's whose a knitter too), so I told her to come over and pick out what she wanted and I'd knit them up, no charge. This is mostly because the same woman does my taxes, my partner's taxes, and my business taxes for a very very small fee (seriously, H&R block would charge me triple), so I'm happy to help her out. Plus, she offered to pay, and I need to whittle down this yarn.

Now another friend finds out I'm doing this for her (I dunno how, friend grapevine I suppose) and texts me to see if I'll knit a few booties up for her two daughters. She's very specific on the yarn she wants, how she wants them done, ect. So I tell her she'll need to pay for supplies (I can get them or she can her choice), and I'll need X amount for my time. Her response was that I was doing it for first friend for free. I said no I'm doing for tax perpetration services, and she's just picking from supplies I already have, plus hats are much less involved. She huffed, puffed, and said she'd just buy something off etsy, awesome, have a great day.

I get hit up all the time for "Can you write my business proposal", "Can you teach me to play an instrument", "I need this tailored, can you do that?". I don't mind doing favors for friends occasionally. And I'm all about trading. For instance, my partner and I get our hair done for free because I helped the woman who cuts our hair with her business proposal and am giving her daughter guitar lessons for free, and my partner built and designed her webpage for free. I mend all of my mechanic's clothes and fixes our cars (everything but oil changes) for free. I love trading. I have a skill, you have a skill, lets work together. But "Do this for free cause you love doing it", nope.

And my poor partner. She's a programmer with a lot of web design background. If anything happens to anyone's computer ever, she's getting the phone call. And they expect her to do it for free. She won't. She'll give them a discount usually, but they're going to have to pay something. Really has made those hit ups for free fixing fewer and further between. She'll still get the occasional "Ok, it's doing this, what can I do?" call, and she'll give them advice but if you want more then that, it's probably gonna cost.

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Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
« Reply #431 on: September 11, 2013, 12:02:43 PM »
I bow to all that has a skill I admire but do not have the knowledge or skills to execute.  I have a couple of friends who do sew, they will do little fixes here and there for me, but anything bigger, like replace a zipper, rip out seams, and taking in I take to a professional tailor.  It always angers me when I see people trying to take advantage of them and their time.  Heck even when I needed just a password sign in put on my home computer, and to have something removed I paid my renter $20 off of his next month's rent.  I treated it like a prado exchange.  I got my computer fixed for cheap, way cheaper than calling geek squad or an independent IT person, and my renter got $20 for less than half hour's work.  I could also see the look of surprise, and happiness that I didn't expect him to do for free or because we are friends.  Now 2 years later, I've heard enough stories of his other firends and coworkers expecting him to do it for free because it's his hobby that he loves.

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Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
« Reply #432 on: September 11, 2013, 01:20:45 PM »
Whenever I need something sewed, I go to my grandma or my friend, E. Both of them have sewing machines and expertise, and time. I schedule it with them to see when they're free, and go and don't ask them to do anything (short of maybe re-threading the bobbin, because both of their machines make that as difficult as possible). I just ask them to let me use their machine and be available for questions if I have any.

I made a skirt this way. It's not the greatest, there's a few holes in the seams (that can be easily fixed by hand, and you have to actually know where they are to find them). And I let my sister use this skirt in her Ren Faire costume.

She is now demanding that I take it in for her. So I added a very loose sloppy seam along the side to take it in. And now she wants it shortened. Except she still wants to be able to wear it longer for the Ren Faire every year. And she wants a zipper in it. And she wants the front shorter than the back. And she wants to get rid of the drawstring along the top. But she still wants it to be there for the Ren Faire.

At this point I've told her that until I get my own skirt finished (it'll be a few more months yet, it's at E's and she's getting ready to move in a few weeks) that it simply won't be possible. She's getting to wear it for another faire this year, and she wouldn't be allowed to wear a skirt like she wants it to be at work, so I'm not really depriving her of anything she didn't already have. She doesn't get it, and thinks I'm terrible because I promised her (wrong) and now she's down one skirt in her wardrobe (again wrong).

Oh well. At least I know I can make one like that. It looks good on her, and when mine is done it'll look good on me too.

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Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
« Reply #433 on: September 11, 2013, 02:30:28 PM »

 Except she still wants to be able to wear it longer for the Ren Faire every year. And she wants a zipper in it. And she wants the front shorter than the back. And she wants to get rid of the drawstring along the top. But she still wants it to be there for the Ren Faire.


O-kaaay.  I know little about sewing, and even less about Ren Faire costumes, but I'm pretty sure we are talking about two totally different skirt styles here.  But your sister insists that it be one skirt for both work and Faire.  Could she be hoping that you'll give up and make her a second skirt?   ???

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Re: But ... But ... It's Not Like It's Work! (Craft Freebies)
« Reply #434 on: September 11, 2013, 03:05:45 PM »
Except she still wants to be able to wear it longer for the Ren Faire every year. And she wants a zipper in it. And she wants the front shorter than the back. And she wants to get rid of the drawstring along the top. But she still wants it to be there for the Ren Faire.

Does she also want a golden goose and a hompa-lompa?  :o