S/O: MIL redecorating....SIL and boundary trampling

[Acadianna]

Not to scold, but to share. In a way, saying, "I want you to understand me more deeply." Which is actually a way of drawing people closer, instead of pushing them away.)

This is one of the best approaches I've ever seen on eHell, one that applies to countless situations.  It's definitely going into my "Responses Toolbox."

Thanks, Toots!

[lowspark]

The ideal would be for your DH to stop saying "they're just plants," and go to his sis and say, "I don't think you realize that it's not *just* that you messed with our stuff without permission, etc. It's also that the thing you destroyed and treated like garbage is irreplaceable and had a huge emotional meaning. It's the plants that her mom and aunt planted for her during the kidney thing."

Ah, but he has to come to understand this himself before he can impress it upon SIL. And it sounds like he doesn't get it at all.

Yeah, this is the aspect of all of this that is bothering me the most. SIL did a terrible thing and apparently doesn't really get how awful her behavior was and is not apologizing and and and. HOWEVER, she is not married to the OP. DH is.

And the fact that he is not empathizing with the OP, and in fact, belittling her reaction by citing the "it's just plants" argument is (in my opinion) fueling the whole thing. I think that maybe if he'd taken cattlekid's side in the first place, sharing her indignation without exclusion, it wouldn't be hurting as much. His attitude can go a long way toward either mittigating the pain or aggravating it.

And yes, as Petticoats says, it would be easier and maybe even intuitive for DH to argue cattlekid's case to his family if he actually understood and shared her feelings.

[TootsNYC]

It might also help DH if cattlekid's reaction became full of "i'm sad!!" instead of "I'm mad!!"

Right now it seems as if the whole thing is being framed by the idea of "they messed with my stuff" and "they are awful," instead of "I'm so incredibly sad."

Sad is easy to empathize with. Mad makes people uncomfortable.

[CaffeineKatie]

I have a feeling OP's husband is like mine.  He had a nagging, fairly passive-agressive mother, and he dealt with it by selective deafness.  I didn't realize for many years that when I would complain to him about anything (including his family's treatment of me), his brain just heard "nagging female = shutdown listening centers"  He would nod and agree and do nothing.  It's very difficult to overcome.  Good luck.

[TootsNYC]

And I think if you want to cut through that natural (and probably healthy) resistance, you need to make sure that *your* complaints are delivered in a way that is completely counter to *their* complaints.

The emotional appeal for consolation, instead of the angry demand for action, etc.

[LeveeWoman]

Why should she have to conceal her true feelings? That is manipulation.

[TootsNYC]

Why should she have to conceal her true feelings? That is manipulation.

It's not about concealing her true feelings.

It's about choosing the *expression* of her true feelings that is most likely to get through to her audience.


It's about choosing a route that puts her DH on her side before demanding an action or response from him.

[gramma dishes]

Why should she have to conceal her true feelings? That is manipulation.

How so?  She really IS sad.

She's also justifiably angry, but he doesn't get that.  Maybe he'll understand better when he realizes that the loss of "just plants" has made her sad because they weren't 'just plants' to her.  They were very special.

[LeveeWoman]

Why should she have to conceal her true feelings? That is manipulation.

It's not about concealing her true feelings.

It's about choosing the *expression* of her true feelings that is most likely to get through to her audience.


It's about choosing a route that puts her DH on her side before demanding an action or response from him.

No, it's lying. It's using emotions to get someone to respond to a lie. Women are allowed to be angry. They shouldn't have to be sad in order to get their husbands to deal with issues.

[TootsNYC]

He's a person. He has defensive reactions built up through a lifetime of unreasonable manipulation. That's a reality.

It's a form of a handicap. If he were deaf, she'd need to write her communication, or learn sign language. Instead of simply demanding that he should be able to hear her using her preferred form of communication.

Nobody's saying she should just suck it up. And it's not manipulation to communicate honestly, nor to choose the form and format of your communication.

[jaxsue]

I have a feeling OP's husband is like mine.  He had a nagging, fairly passive-agressive mother, and he dealt with it by selective deafness.  I didn't realize for many years that when I would complain to him about anything (including his family's treatment of me), his brain just heard "nagging female = shutdown listening centers"  He would nod and agree and do nothing.  It's very difficult to overcome.  Good luck.

That was exactly my experience with my X-DH. She'd even openly insult me in his presence (as well as FIL's presence), and he never "heard" it.   

[LeveeWoman]

He's a person. He has defensive reactions built up through a lifetime of unreasonable manipulation. That's a reality.

It's a form of a handicap. If he were deaf, she'd need to write her communication, or learn sign language. Instead of simply demanding that he should be able to hear her using her preferred form of communication.

Nobody's saying she should just suck it up. And it's not manipulation to communicate honestly, nor to choose the form and format of your communication.

So, she should continue the manipulation? Advising her to conceal her emotion and present a false one is advising her to lie, to do what his mother did.

[asb8]

How would your SIL respond to a blunt request to 'make it right' ie pay for the plants?

SIL: But I was just trying to heeeelllp....
OP: I understand you had good intentions but you caused $XX amount of damage by disposing of my landscaping.  Can you give me cash or would you prefer to write a check?

[LeveeWoman]

How would your SIL respond to a blunt request to 'make it right' ie pay for the plants?

SIL: But I was just trying to heeeelllp....
OP: I understand you THINK YOU had good intentions but you caused $XX amount of damage by disposing of my landscaping.  Can you give me cash or would you prefer to write a check?

I'd add those two words.

[cattlekid]

Honestly, she'd probably laugh in my face, or blatantly ignore my request.  And it would have to be in a one on one, or the rest of the family would gang up on me and tell me how they were "just plants" and that I am being selfish and how dare I tell them that what their daughter/wife did was wrong.

How would your SIL respond to a blunt request to 'make it right' ie pay for the plants?

SIL: But I was just trying to heeeelllp....
OP: I understand you had good intentions but you caused $XX amount of damage by disposing of my landscaping.  Can you give me cash or would you prefer to write a check?