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Re: privacy and volunteering
« Reply #105 on: September 19, 2013, 12:08:41 PM »
On the rare chance you start getting calls from a nutter, you can take more serious steps. But really, that's something that has a vanishingly low probability of occurring, and if it does, the solution is fairly simple (get a new number). I choose not to plan my life around low-risk, low-probability threats.

A new number is a "simple" solution in your world? Because it would not be for at all! My number is on my resume, its attached to my credit cards and bank accounts, its the alternate contact for my Facebook account, my Dr's have it, friends and family across the country - including being the "out of area contact number" for my family in San Francisco in the event the big earthquake comes - etc. I trust those sources to have my number, but I'd rather it didn't get itself too easily just randomly out there; I have an ex-boyfriend from 20 years ago who is probably not a threat at all, but who after I broke up with him did some low level stalking of me, tried to commit suicide and last I heard became a junkie - yeah I'd rather he not be able to go into a public library and pull up my number. I'm sure my number is searchable if someone really tried pretty hard, but at the moment its not super easily accessible and it is in no way a simple thing for me to change it - it would be days worth of work trying to remember and then contact every source that I want to have my number to have them change it.

Just because changing your number is "simple" doesn't mean it is "easy" or cheap.

Thirty-five years ago, it cost us $40 to get a "new number" because we'd had one too many threatening phone calls from people trying to find the wacko who previously had that number.  It might have been a "simple" solution - but I still had to pay for the change to the phone company and update ALL the family, friends, and businesses that needed to contact us with the new number (both of us were active duty military - so there were several offices to be contacted on base). 

It took a couple of weeks to get MOST of them the new information and a couple of the cousins who lived further away missed connecting with us when they drove or made airline connections through Phoenix, Arizona on trips because they hadn't updated the little address book that they took with them (I suppose they updated the large address book at home - remember - this was before cell phones or even PDAs - back when you carried a physical paper phone number list with you or memorized the numbers).

I don't pass out my cell phone number for a second reason.  We don't have texting on our plan (VorGuy picked our plan, not me).  It costs money to get or send a text.  I don't want to explain to him why I am getting texts from strangers who are trying to arrange something from Craigslist or Freecycle - some of them will punch in the number & send a text before reading the rest of the sentence - which reads "#123-456-7890 - please do not text this number". 

It would almost be easier to lie and tell them that it is a landline and can't get texts than it would be to get them to read the instructions about not to try sending texts.  But I digress...

Eight years ago, I was the membership chair for a group of (mostly) women, some elderly.  We published a directory every year and the previous couple of editions had apparently not been pruned enough to suit the president of the board that year.  I spent an extra six weeks calling everyone that I could, emailing everyone that I could, and asking for updated contact information by email, phone, and in person at the various meetings that I attended - when they picked up and dropped off their name tags or signed in as attending.

I got several people to update ONLY on my promise (and there was legal text in the directory requiring this) that it was ONLY for the organization to use for the organization - no spam, whether phone calls or emails.  Again - legal language in document promising this.

Finally got it to the printer over a month late - but it was the most accurate one in years with up-to-date names, addresses, phone numbers, and added cell phone numbers & email addresses.

The vice president promptly sent out a mass emailing about some personal business endeavor of hers...against all the rules for the use of the data and promises made by the organization and its "parent" organization.

It made a few people mad.

What made me mad was that the next year, she was elected president (usual progression for a vice president) even though a number of people voted for someone else, she still had the "most" votes.  I was NOT a happy person and neither were some of the ladies who remember getting that email.

It's been seven years since we moved away from that location - but I still wonder how she got away with it and then got "rewarded" because no one remembered her legal and etiquette blunder (using the email addresses and phone numbers for personal use instead of organizational purposes).
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Re: privacy and volunteering
« Reply #106 on: September 19, 2013, 12:33:00 PM »
Honestly, this argument is moot depending on who the coordinator works for. If they work for the school and her data was pulled from the schools data managment system it is a FERPA issue and a legal one.

If the coordinator pulled information from an application, unless they crosschecked it with the schools data managment system, they had no way to know about her forms to request her information be private. Colleges don't keep "lists" like many of you think, their files are marked private in the data management system.
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Re: privacy and volunteering
« Reply #107 on: September 19, 2013, 12:37:35 PM »
Honestly, this argument is moot depending on who the coordinator works for. If they work for the school and her data was pulled from the schools data managment system it is a FERPA issue and a legal one.

If the coordinator pulled information from an application, unless they crosschecked it with the schools data managment system, they had no way to know about her forms to request her information be private. Colleges don't keep "lists" like many of you think, their files are marked private in the data management system.

From snowdragon's 10th post:  I have also filled out all the forms at school that should have barred anyone affiliated with the school passing out my info to  anyone that information follows our registrations for classes and anything affiliated with the school ( according to the two offices on campus I spoke to. ), including volunteering for campus  events. We signed up through the same system that we would have used for classes. So I did opt out. She took it upon herself to disregard that.

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Re: privacy and volunteering
« Reply #108 on: September 19, 2013, 01:05:34 PM »
All clubs and student organizations at my school are completely separate entities and not governed by the school or FERPA. The OP's school may be different.

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Re: privacy and volunteering
« Reply #109 on: September 19, 2013, 01:12:54 PM »
Can I just say that whenever I read the thread title I see "piracy and volunteering"

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Re: privacy and volunteering
« Reply #110 on: September 19, 2013, 01:37:22 PM »
Honestly, this argument is moot depending on who the coordinator works for. If they work for the school and her data was pulled from the schools data managment system it is a FERPA issue and a legal one.

If the coordinator pulled information from an application, unless they crosschecked it with the schools data managment system, they had no way to know about her forms to request her information be private. Colleges don't keep "lists" like many of you think, their files are marked private in the data management system.

From snowdragon's 10th post:  I have also filled out all the forms at school that should have barred anyone affiliated with the school passing out my info to  anyone that information follows our registrations for classes and anything affiliated with the school ( according to the two offices on campus I spoke to. ), including volunteering for campus  events. We signed up through the same system that we would have used for classes. So I did opt out. She took it upon herself to disregard that.

That doesn't neccessarily mean it uses the data management system. That is was is different.

If the coordinator did pull this data from their system and sent it out this is a legal issue not an etiquette one.
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Re: privacy and volunteering
« Reply #111 on: September 19, 2013, 10:05:37 PM »
I don't get the whole, "my phone number is secret" thing either.

I can understand not wanting to post it somewhere where it could get picked up by a marketing agency, becuase those calls are annoying. I just think that worrying about an individual abusing your phone number is borrowing trouble, since it more than likely won't happen. (And if that's not what the OP is worried about, then why does she care who has her phone number?)

If they call at an inconvenient time: don't answer.
If they call too often: answer only on your own schedule.
If you don't want to speak to a specific person: set their ring tone to silent, or just make use of your caller ID, and don't answer.

It's really easy to manage who you speak to and when, whilst still having the convenience of being contactable by those who you might need to liase with. It basically boils down to not picking up the phone if you don't wanna.

On the rare chance you start getting calls from a nutter, you can take more serious steps. But really, that's something that has a vanishingly low probability of occuring, and if it does, the solution is fairly simple (get a new number). I choose not to plan my life around low-risk, low-probability threats.
I'm pretty new to this thread but I have to say I agree with this earlier post.   OP was understandably upset about her request being disregarded and she certainly doesn't have to have any reason beyond her personal preference....but I just don't get the worry.  For the record though my DH is a major worrier in this respect.  We have an unlisted number ( he insisted ) and I have been scolded more times than I can count for being very "cavalier" about giving out our phone number.
But I have a hard time extrapolating all these worst case scenarios about a phone number spreading like the Ebola virus.  It just seems a hard way to live.

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Re: privacy and volunteering
« Reply #112 on: September 19, 2013, 10:20:24 PM »
I'm curious if the OP did quit the AFP, if she told them why she was quitting and the response.

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Re: privacy and volunteering
« Reply #113 on: September 19, 2013, 11:28:15 PM »
You're doing well, Teenyweeny.

The only time I've objected to my numbr being published was in my first year of teaching when all staff's home numbers were published in the school' family directory.

Now, my name and number were readily available in the phone book. I really had no objection to anyone in the school knowing my number. And I lived in a small town and most of the kids could have easily worked out where I lived as well.

The only reason I objected was that publishing the number seemed to give implicit permission to families to call me at 6pm and ask about the homework, or the night before sports day when it was raining to ask if it would go ahead.

When those numbers weren't published the following year, those calls stopped dead, even though most families still had the number from the previous year, or from the phone book.

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Re: privacy and volunteering
« Reply #114 on: September 19, 2013, 11:40:39 PM »
The OP has been gagged for a while and can't participate in the thread, so I'm locking it.
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