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Re: Viewpoints on a situation
« Reply #15 on: September 20, 2013, 07:42:44 AM »
Contact the school. And try to get her license plate number. It matters not at all what the pamphlets are about, this behavior is inappropriate.

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« Reply #16 on: September 20, 2013, 08:39:15 AM »
I park my POD here. Contact the organization, the school, the bus driver or the police, but this is not appropriate.



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« Reply #17 on: September 20, 2013, 05:13:24 PM »
My reaction would have been to go up and ask for one of her flyers, then tell her to stop bothering children. I'd also ask the bus driver if this person was following the bus. If the flyer were for an organization,  I'd call the organization and complain.

POD.

I don't like to do "worst case scenario" thinking, but the BEST case scenario is, she is hanging out, waiting for the bus, so she can chase down kids, yelling at them and trying to get them to take items from a stranger.

Kids should not be trained that this is OK behavior from a grownup.  And whatever organization this woman is attached to, obviously knows nothing about the appropriate way to deal with kids - so I wouldn't want my kids dealing with them.

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« Reply #18 on: September 20, 2013, 05:27:19 PM »
The reactions from the adults around were to ignore them (2 just walking up the street), to call their kids (2 parents across the street) and then me...I immediately called to the women as she was calling to the kids to stop approaching the kids.  My exact words were "hey, do not approach those children.  You don't know them, they don't know you and you could get yourself in trouble for something like that."  I said that in a nice voice thinking she was just having a brain freeze and not thinking of how her actions looked.  She actually ignored me and still approached the kids who were walking away from her (the bus driver was watching her in his mirror) and I yelled "Leave those kids alone!  Now!"  She proceeded to tell me what a horrible person I was stopping her from telling the kids about their church and that they needed to come to church.  That is when I figured out where I saw her before..her and some other adults escorted some young kids (about 8 or 9 of them) door to door getting the kids to knock and try to hand out religious literature and preach to the residents of the neighborhood and tell us our kids (not the adults) needed to come to this church, that, btw, is being run out of a rental townhouse.  I went to the rental office for the complex and voiced my concerns but I guess nothing has been done as they are now stalking the school buses.  The school said they will talk to the kids about stranger danger but because they were not on school property there is not alot they can do.  Today I talked to the police department and they have received similar complaints and are looking into it.  I tried to get the license number but she jumped in the car and they tore off when they heard me say to my older DD to get the license.  I am glad my thoughts were not too over the top when I saw what she was doing.  Again, I was willing to give her the benefit of the doubt that she wasn't thinking clearly but it is obvious this is their M.O. 

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« Reply #19 on: September 20, 2013, 05:39:26 PM »
Church with no parents, just kids. Ran out of a residence. Yes, I'd be contacting the police right away. Nothing church like is happening up in there at all.

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« Reply #20 on: September 20, 2013, 05:46:54 PM »
I am not sure whether OP meant they specifically DIDN'T want the parents to come, or if they just were more directed at the kids?

I know plenty of totally legit churches who invest a lot of time/energy/money into kids programs, put up fliers, and encourage the kids in the church to invite their friends, because it is a good way to attract families to the church - nothing necessarily skeevy about that.  I also know families who will send their kids to Vacation Bible School or Sunday school and not go themselves, for whatever reason.

However, the way they are going about this (legit or not) is really inappropriate to the point of foolishness, and even if they are legit and trying (badly) to do something nice, it is having the exact opposite effect.  Very off-putting and creepy.

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« Reply #21 on: September 20, 2013, 07:23:28 PM »
She actually ignored me and still approached the kids who were walking away from her (the bus driver was watching her in his mirror) and I yelled "Leave those kids alone!  Now!"  She proceeded to tell me what a horrible person I was stopping her from telling the kids about their church and that they needed to come to church.

This is precisely why my first thought was to call the police. Do not engage the crazy. Probably why, it seemed to you, like the other adults ignored the situation. You don't know if they called the police (police said they received other complaints.)


*inviteseller -- Kudos to you for following up with calls to the school and the police.

Did you tell the police about the door-to-door thing?

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« Reply #22 on: September 20, 2013, 07:51:50 PM »
jpcher - When I told the police about what happened at the bus, I also brought up the door to door preaching.  And no, those people that were walking glanced over but kept walking and talking to each other.  My understanding from talking with the officers was the complaints were coming from the door to door preaching they are doing.   

EllenS - I am not sure either about the parents, but when I answered the door the specifically said they were inviting my kids to come to their church because they have activities daily for them.  The flier was crudely done and didn't have information on 'regular' church services.  I did not want to even take the flier as I said we were not interested, but he opened my door and shoved it in (and he should be happy the dog is old and lazy).  My neighbor across the street is a preacher at her church and has sent info over for both the kids and myself for their different services and activities.  Nothing pushy, she just offered as we do talk at the bus stop.  But this seems to be all aimed at kids run out of a home. 

The girl who pulled this stunt yesterday looked like a nice enough young girl..there was a man driving but I barely glanced at him because I was watching her.  My older DD was ready to go running over to her and start escorting these kids home herself because, as she said, just because they say their from a church doesn't make what they did right or safe.

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« Reply #23 on: September 20, 2013, 08:42:42 PM »
  My older DD was ready to go running over to her and start escorting these kids home herself because, as she said, just because they say their from a church doesn't make what they did right or safe.
Moreover, anyone can say they are from a church. Anyone can create a church. The word, "church" means nothing at all.

We have neighbors who got in trouble for running a "home church" from their house. They were affiliated with nothing, had no permits, no oversight, had no 501(c)3 status, had filed no incorporation papers, etc. They got in trouble when they started going door to door without a permit, which is illegal in our town. They got in further trouble for the number of cars they had parking on the streets on a regular basis, which is also illegal in our town for "organized" activities (in other words, you can have a social party every Wednesday night, but you can't have a Tupperware party every Wednesday night because they are trying to clamp down on home-based business that generate traffic/parking problems in residential areas).  As far as I could tell, the "church" consisted of the man preaching at people and asking for money at the end of the night. 

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« Reply #24 on: September 20, 2013, 08:54:24 PM »
I haven't read all the replies yet, but I know I am going against the grain here, big time.

I would have told my kids "Hey, someone is trying to get your attention, turn around and stop ignoring her!" At that point, she hadn't done anything wrong or creepy. She was giving out flyers, albeit enthusiastically. If she had started badgering the little kids then yeah, there would have been problem. But giving out flyers does not a scary woman make.

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« Reply #25 on: September 20, 2013, 09:21:36 PM »
I haven't read all the replies yet, but I know I am going against the grain here, big time.

I would have told my kids "Hey, someone is trying to get your attention, turn around and stop ignoring her!" ...

Would you have given them the same advice if it had been a forty year old man?

No.  Children do not have to be polite or even responsive at all to strangers, no matter what they're saying or handing out.  I'd strongly prefer mine to totally ignore her and get home quickly. 

I think the children in the story were great about not responding to her!  Smart kids, well taught!

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« Reply #26 on: September 20, 2013, 09:27:49 PM »
Yes, if he wasn't ill kempt, and since the parents were standing right there... I just don't see the issue.  :-\

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« Reply #27 on: September 20, 2013, 09:34:30 PM »
I am coming at this with the understanding that its a one time thing. If the children were battling panhandlers and solicitors every time they got off the bus, or if she's back tomorrow, well then I'd see it as a different type of situation. But a one time thing...with no sneakiness or shifty characters...it doesn't seem off to me.

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« Reply #28 on: September 20, 2013, 09:45:28 PM »
Yes, if he wasn't ill kempt, and since the parents were standing right there... I just don't see the issue.  :-\

The parents weren't there. The adults present were just passing by as the kids got off the school bus. So yes, big issue. >:( <--frowny face for the people doing it, not you  ;)
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« Reply #29 on: September 20, 2013, 09:48:43 PM »
Yes, if he wasn't ill kempt  ...

So you think if he was dirty, smelled like alcohol and was dressed in ragged clothing it would not be okay?  But as long as he's clean and neat and shiny he would be perfectly safe?   ???