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Re: Pot, Meet the Kettle
« Reply #45 on: February 03, 2014, 11:52:40 AM »


Did you see the one where someone actually split each picture in half and swapped them? They really do look a LOT alike! Then again I seem to recall a study where someone did that with a lot of celebrities and it was interesting to see how what's considered "attractive" is actually a fairly narrow set of characteristics that a lot of "attractive" people shared.

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Re: Pot, Meet the Kettle
« Reply #46 on: February 03, 2014, 11:57:55 AM »
When I think of Miley I think "Yep, when I was in my early 20s I did a lot of crazy stupid stuff, I just didn't have cameras on me when I did it", so I give the girl a lot of leeway. I think in 10 years, or less (it was less for me), she's gonna look at this time and think "Why did I do that? Why did I think that was cool?", I did. Seriously, there are some stories that float around about things I did back then that leave me wondering what the heck was going through my head. And the truth is, nothing was. I had no real responsibilities, though I didn't have her bank account, I didn't have to answer to my mom anymore, I could do what I wanted. So I did. Then I got bored of that and grew up. I doubt I'm the only reformed party girl.

Like Miley, I also never got in trouble with the law. Sure, I went out, partied, danced on tables, made out with people in bathrooms, had a good old time. Then I got in a cab and went home. Never got behind the wheel of a car after partying. Never drove a Lambo at 25mph (no seriously, why even bother Justin? If you're gonna get a Lambo don't drive it like it's a Prius), egged someones house, or caused my neighbors to call the cops on me.

I feel like Miley is doing the wild and crazy thing. I feel like Justin is doing the I'm above it all because I'm famous thing. I know I saw his mom on the View awhile back and her reaction to his behavior was basically "Oh well, he's gonna do what he's gonna do", because he's the paycheck.

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Re: Pot, Meet the Kettle
« Reply #47 on: February 03, 2014, 05:01:41 PM »
It smacks of self-disrespect to me that she thinks the way to get famous is to get naked in a video and simulate sex at an award show. Does she think she's all that and a bag of chips? Clearly. But you actually can have a career and get PR without performing a porno act at the VMA's. She is too young to figure that out.

Yes, I guess that's my opinion but she's also setting a bad example for girls who may idolize her.

Is anything she's doing out right illegal? No. But I still don't think she's the right person to give anyone advice, career or otherwise. And I understand that Jay Leno ASKED her. Doesn't mean that the advice itself is worth a hill of beans.

This attitude actually makes me furious. No one ever says that male artists who simulate sex on stage or on screen need to have more respect for themselves. In fact, people usually say they need to have more respect for women. The message that sends to young women is enormous. It teaches them that their sexuality is "dirty" and inappropriate. It tells them that sexuality is a male trait and if they want to have respect for themselves, they need to hide that side of themselves, lest anyone think they're one of "those" girls.

Personally, I think Miley looks ridiculous. I don't enjoy her music and her style leaves a lot to be desired. But as a mother of a daughter, it ticks me off that so much of the criticism leveled at Miley has to do with the sexual nature of her performances. Women being sexual is not any more inappropriate or disgusting than men being sexual. Do I think Miley's behavior sends a positive message to young girls? I don't know. It actually seems pretty harmless compared to the rest of the music industry. But the message being sent here, the one I don't want my daughter to pick up, is the idea that female sexuality is unacceptable.

Yes yes yes! Get out of my head  :)

MamaMootz, I think your issue is with Miley and not with what she's said. And like I said earlier, you don't have to like Miley Cyrus. A lot of people don't. But this attitude that she doesn't respect herself and that she's doing a disservice to women everywhere by flaunting her sexuality is actually what's doing a disservice to women everywhere.

I'm interested in hearing what you think about Justin Beiber's DUI charges, after four pages of how much you disapprove of Miley's completely legal activities.

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Re: Pot, Meet the Kettle
« Reply #48 on: February 03, 2014, 06:50:04 PM »
I have little respect for men who have simulated sex on stage, shy should I respect a woman who does?
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Re: Pot, Meet the Kettle
« Reply #49 on: February 03, 2014, 06:53:59 PM »
^Nope. Consistency is the key.  ;)
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Re: Pot, Meet the Kettle
« Reply #50 on: February 03, 2014, 07:28:31 PM »
I have little respect for men who have simulated sex on stage, shy should I respect a woman who does?

Nobody says you should. Feel free to respect whomever you choose. But no one should be making statements about how Miley feels about herself based on their own code of morality.
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Re: Pot, Meet the Kettle
« Reply #51 on: February 04, 2014, 02:28:33 AM »

This attitude actually makes me furious. No one ever says that male artists who simulate sex on stage or on screen need to have more respect for themselves. In fact, people usually say they need to have more respect for women.

This is a really common attitude for some reason...a guy sleeps around, he doesn't respect women...a woman does, she needs to respect herself. It's pretty frustrating.

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Re: Pot, Meet the Kettle
« Reply #52 on: February 04, 2014, 02:46:38 AM »

Yup. After that awards show thing she did with Robin Thicke, which I didn't see firsthand but read about after, I got so incredibly ticked off at all the people who said "Poor Robin, he must have felt so awkward!" Excuse me? Watch 30 seconds of his most popular video, look up the lyrics and read along, then tell me again that he was uncomfortable.

That ticked me off too, primarily because it struck me as incredibly naïve. People were asking had he known what she was going to do - of course he did, it was a choreographed dance routine! There wasn't a single thing in that performance that would have come as a surprise, let alone made him feel awkward. He was plainly enjoying every minute.

I'm not a Miley fan but I have to agree about the double standard being shown here.

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Re: Pot, Meet the Kettle
« Reply #53 on: February 04, 2014, 09:05:33 AM »

Yup. After that awards show thing she did with Robin Thicke, which I didn't see firsthand but read about after, I got so incredibly ticked off at all the people who said "Poor Robin, he must have felt so awkward!" Excuse me? Watch 30 seconds of his most popular video, look up the lyrics and read along, then tell me again that he was uncomfortable.

That ticked me off too, primarily because it struck me as incredibly naïve. People were asking had he known what she was going to do - of course he did, it was a choreographed dance routine! There wasn't a single thing in that performance that would have come as a surprise, let alone made him feel awkward. He was plainly enjoying every minute.

I'm not a Miley fan but I have to agree about the double standard being shown here.

Exactly. It's not like she just leaped onto the stage out of the crowd- he knew exactly what was going on and by participating, helped make it happen.
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Re: Pot, Meet the Kettle
« Reply #54 on: February 04, 2014, 02:30:02 PM »
I'm no fan of Miley Cyrus and I think Justin Bieber is taking the typical child star route headed to either jail or the morgue.

However, what Miley does in her videos is, more than likely, not how she lives her life when the cameras are off.  Many child stars have not transitioned to adult stars without a few bumps in the road.  I took her words as the word of a now twenty-year-old giving a kind of "Dude, really?!" type of advice to someone headed in the wrong direction.  We've all done things in our early adult year that would probably make us cringe (I know I did).  Our advice would mature as we did.

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Re: Pot, Meet the Kettle
« Reply #55 on: February 04, 2014, 02:31:13 PM »
MamaMootz wrote:

"Because..... she's qualified to give lifestyle advice, is she?"

Given who the advice is directed at, I'd say she's pretty uniquely qualified to give lifestyle advice.  If Miley Cyrus isn't qualified to give advice about being a wild rich young person without getting on the wrong side of the law, then who would be?

It's served me well to remember that when the pot calls the kettle black, the pot is right.

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Re: Pot, Meet the Kettle
« Reply #56 on: February 04, 2014, 02:35:51 PM »
I personally don't like Miley's videos or dress sense, but i don't stop DD (10) from listening to her songs or watching her videos. The only rule we have is "If Miley would wear it, DD doesnt". Does that mean I'd happily let DD behave the way Miley does.. eHell no! But like other's have said, the Miley the world sees is a fabricated image, much like a character in a movie. DD and I have spoken about this and she is smart enough to understand it.

As for Justin Bieber.. DD used to be a fan, but his public behaviour has turned her off him. I think he's headed for a lot of trouble.
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Re: Pot, Meet the Kettle
« Reply #57 on: February 04, 2014, 04:39:22 PM »
MamaMootz wrote:

"Because..... she's qualified to give lifestyle advice, is she?"

Given who the advice is directed at, I'd say she's pretty uniquely qualified to give lifestyle advice.  If Miley Cyrus isn't qualified to give advice about being a wild rich young person without getting on the wrong side of the law, then who would be?

It's served me well to remember that when the pot calls the kettle black, the pot is right.

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Re: Pot, Meet the Kettle
« Reply #58 on: February 04, 2014, 09:46:15 PM »
Hasn't she just admitted to using marijuana and MDMA? She's being a bit hypocritical here. There's no Miley mugshot because she hasn't been caught, not because she's some pristine angel.  ::)

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Re: Pot, Meet the Kettle
« Reply #59 on: February 04, 2014, 10:01:57 PM »
There's no Miley mugshot because she makes it a point not to be caught. That was the essence of her advice to Bieber. Not that she thinks he shouldn't party, but that he needs to stay clean in public.
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