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Re: Pot, Meet the Kettle
« Reply #45 on: February 03, 2014, 06:50:04 PM »
I have little respect for men who have simulated sex on stage, shy should I respect a woman who does?
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Re: Pot, Meet the Kettle
« Reply #46 on: February 03, 2014, 06:53:59 PM »
^Nope. Consistency is the key.  ;)
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Re: Pot, Meet the Kettle
« Reply #47 on: February 04, 2014, 02:28:33 AM »

This attitude actually makes me furious. No one ever says that male artists who simulate sex on stage or on screen need to have more respect for themselves. In fact, people usually say they need to have more respect for women.

This is a really common attitude for some reason...a guy sleeps around, he doesn't respect women...a woman does, she needs to respect herself. It's pretty frustrating.

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Re: Pot, Meet the Kettle
« Reply #48 on: February 04, 2014, 02:46:38 AM »

Yup. After that awards show thing she did with Robin Thicke, which I didn't see firsthand but read about after, I got so incredibly ticked off at all the people who said "Poor Robin, he must have felt so awkward!" Excuse me? Watch 30 seconds of his most popular video, look up the lyrics and read along, then tell me again that he was uncomfortable.

That ticked me off too, primarily because it struck me as incredibly naÔve. People were asking had he known what she was going to do - of course he did, it was a choreographed dance routine! There wasn't a single thing in that performance that would have come as a surprise, let alone made him feel awkward. He was plainly enjoying every minute.

I'm not a Miley fan but I have to agree about the double standard being shown here.

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Re: Pot, Meet the Kettle
« Reply #49 on: February 04, 2014, 09:05:33 AM »

Yup. After that awards show thing she did with Robin Thicke, which I didn't see firsthand but read about after, I got so incredibly ticked off at all the people who said "Poor Robin, he must have felt so awkward!" Excuse me? Watch 30 seconds of his most popular video, look up the lyrics and read along, then tell me again that he was uncomfortable.

That ticked me off too, primarily because it struck me as incredibly naÔve. People were asking had he known what she was going to do - of course he did, it was a choreographed dance routine! There wasn't a single thing in that performance that would have come as a surprise, let alone made him feel awkward. He was plainly enjoying every minute.

I'm not a Miley fan but I have to agree about the double standard being shown here.

Exactly. It's not like she just leaped onto the stage out of the crowd- he knew exactly what was going on and by participating, helped make it happen.
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Re: Pot, Meet the Kettle
« Reply #50 on: February 04, 2014, 02:30:02 PM »
I'm no fan of Miley Cyrus and I think Justin Bieber is taking the typical child star route headed to either jail or the morgue.

However, what Miley does in her videos is, more than likely, not how she lives her life when the cameras are off.  Many child stars have not transitioned to adult stars without a few bumps in the road.  I took her words as the word of a now twenty-year-old giving a kind of "Dude, really?!" type of advice to someone headed in the wrong direction.  We've all done things in our early adult year that would probably make us cringe (I know I did).  Our advice would mature as we did.

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Re: Pot, Meet the Kettle
« Reply #51 on: February 04, 2014, 02:31:13 PM »
MamaMootz wrote:

"Because..... she's qualified to give lifestyle advice, is she?"

Given who the advice is directed at, I'd say she's pretty uniquely qualified to give lifestyle advice.  If Miley Cyrus isn't qualified to give advice about being a wild rich young person without getting on the wrong side of the law, then who would be?

It's served me well to remember that when the pot calls the kettle black, the pot is right.

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Re: Pot, Meet the Kettle
« Reply #52 on: February 04, 2014, 02:35:51 PM »
I personally don't like Miley's videos or dress sense, but i don't stop DD (10) from listening to her songs or watching her videos. The only rule we have is "If Miley would wear it, DD doesnt". Does that mean I'd happily let DD behave the way Miley does.. eHell no! But like other's have said, the Miley the world sees is a fabricated image, much like a character in a movie. DD and I have spoken about this and she is smart enough to understand it.

As for Justin Bieber.. DD used to be a fan, but his public behaviour has turned her off him. I think he's headed for a lot of trouble.
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Re: Pot, Meet the Kettle
« Reply #53 on: February 04, 2014, 04:39:22 PM »
MamaMootz wrote:

"Because..... she's qualified to give lifestyle advice, is she?"

Given who the advice is directed at, I'd say she's pretty uniquely qualified to give lifestyle advice.  If Miley Cyrus isn't qualified to give advice about being a wild rich young person without getting on the wrong side of the law, then who would be?

It's served me well to remember that when the pot calls the kettle black, the pot is right.

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Re: Pot, Meet the Kettle
« Reply #54 on: February 04, 2014, 09:46:15 PM »
Hasn't she just admitted to using marijuana and MDMA? She's being a bit hypocritical here. There's no Miley mugshot because she hasn't been caught, not because she's some pristine angel.  ::)

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Re: Pot, Meet the Kettle
« Reply #55 on: February 04, 2014, 10:01:57 PM »
There's no Miley mugshot because she makes it a point not to be caught. That was the essence of her advice to Bieber. Not that she thinks he shouldn't party, but that he needs to stay clean in public.
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Re: Pot, Meet the Kettle
« Reply #56 on: February 04, 2014, 10:07:50 PM »
Hasn't she just admitted to using marijuana and MDMA? She's being a bit hypocritical here. There's no Miley mugshot because she hasn't been caught, not because she's some pristine angel.  ::)

I don't know about MDMA but she's smoked marijuana legally in Amsterdam.

And that's kind of the point of her advice. She's not saying, "Follow my advice and don't break the law ever." She's saying, "Get up to mischief behind closed doors so that your mugshot doesn't end up on the cover of trashy magazines."

Or, as someone else said, "Dude, hide your stash."
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Re: Pot, Meet the Kettle
« Reply #57 on: February 25, 2014, 11:30:25 AM »
Justin Beiber endangered lives by driving drunk.

Miley Cyrus performs in various stages of undress, shakes her bum and sticks her tongue out.

You don't have to like or agree with Miley's career, but it's insulting to compare the two.

Agreed. Miley was asked to give her advice. As an entertainer, she is winning, whether you like her or not. She isn't a criminal; she isn't disrespectful to the public in her personal life; I've never seen her mug shot. You may not like her style, but it isn't accidental. And as far as singing about drugs goes.....um, so does a lot of music going back decades, from a lot if respected musicians.

Agreed.

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It was written in 1936. Miley isn't exactly breaking new ground.
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Re: Pot, Meet the Kettle
« Reply #58 on: February 25, 2014, 12:38:29 PM »
I think this thread is very unfair to Miley.  She was asked a direct question and answered it honestly.  How is that an etiquette breach?  This isn't Bad Taste He!! or Over-Hyped He!!

Perhaps in the Time for a Coffee Break folder, but I don't think it is appropriate here.
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Re: Pot, Meet the Kettle
« Reply #59 on: February 25, 2014, 10:02:08 PM »
I think this thread is very unfair to Miley.  She was asked a direct question and answered it honestly.  How is that an etiquette breach?  This isn't Bad Taste He!! or Over-Hyped He!!

Perhaps in the Time for a Coffee Break folder, but I don't think it is appropriate here.

You could say the same about any thread really - that it's unfair to the boss/mother/brother/friend/special snowflake who is presented as rude.     But ultimately just because there's a thread discussing the etiquette of the situation it doesn't mean that the person is actually at fault or that the situation is completely black and white, that's kind of the point of discussing it really, to get people's opinions on whether it is the appropriate response/action or not.  I think the majority of posters in this thread have been quite fair to Miley and have expressed that they don't think she was rude at all, just answering a question.  (Even those of us who dislike her!)
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