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MerryCat

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« Reply #120 on: February 15, 2014, 09:22:46 PM »
I understand that not all "salaries are confidential" policies come from sinister motives, but I can't say I trust them all that much.

Yeah, I can understand when the person whose salary it is wants to keep in confidential. But when a third party is telling them they HAVE to keep it confidential, I get a bit suspicious.

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« Reply #121 on: February 15, 2014, 09:54:45 PM »
I worked at a school where one teacher was consistently coming in late to work every day or not coming in at all (always having car problems, family emergencies, etc.)  As a vocational instructor and part-time administrator, I'd take over her classes until she came in, then catch up on my own paperwork and duties later.  It was stressful but I'd work late and never refuse any job my boss threw at me.

When the company implemented cutbacks, our brilliant Dean reduced MY afternoon hours to give them to flaky teacher so she could come in later.  She also offered flaky a raise to encourage her to show up (we DID talk salaries as the company was sneaky).  I was cut back to part-time and offered no extra money as it was "for the good of the company."  There was quite the protest around the office but boss insisted it was only temporary and flaky would step up.  I started quietly job searching that day.

The arrangement lasted one week as flaky couldn't be on time even in the afternoons.  Flaky was let go, Dean was forced to give me back my hours, everyone cheered.  However the job search I'd begun resulted in an offer, so I gave notice within the month.  Last I heard, Dean had to hire 3 people to replace me, and one was so overworked he asked for a raise after 30 days.  I never noticed how bad it had gotten until I began my new job and realized I had time to take lunch, have a coffee break now and again and would actually leave work on time everyday.

Never again will I sacrifice so much or let myself be treated so shabbily.
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« Reply #122 on: February 15, 2014, 10:11:42 PM »
I have asked employees not to discuss raises or salaries. In one case all the lowest paid employees except for one received raises. The one person was in a retraining situation due to multiple PD issues. We didn't want her co-workers taking anymore of her rude behavior.

She ended up committing absolutely provable PD a short time later.

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« Reply #123 on: February 15, 2014, 10:12:47 PM »
I was once asked to absolutely NOT discuss my bonus amount as it was a small pool that year, and mine was higher than average.
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« Reply #124 on: February 15, 2014, 10:25:29 PM »
What people earn is supposed to be confidential. I worked in payroll and this was stressed on me on my first day.
I agree that people who have access to that information in the course of their work should consider it confidential. But it's a huge red flag for me, when an employer stresses that an individual is never, ever to tell a co-worker about his.her salary- because in my experience, that means that the boss is engaged in unfair practices, and knows it. If you don't let the men tell the women they're getting $5000 a year more for the same work, then you don't have to deal with irate women employees. I don't think that's always the case, but that can be one indication of unfair practices. Unless there were other indications, however, I wouldn't use that one policy as an indication of a problem. I've never held a job where HR policies didn't prohibit us from discussing our pay with other employees. Of course, that didn't stop us. I have to agree with Mr. Tango. Almost every company out there has a policy about not divulging salary. There are many other criteria available to determine whether a company is a good fit. The salary policy is at the bottom of the list for me. Oddly enough, despite the Uni I work for being privately owned and for-profit, there's a policy in the employee handbook that states HR/managers legally cannot prohibit staff from discussing salaries/divulging what they make to each other. I was surprised when I came across that, because I would have assumed it would be against policy since that's usually the case. camlan • Member • Posts: 9278 Re: Unwarrented Demands for Loyalty (Share stories) « Reply #125 on: February 16, 2014, 07:37:07 AM » What people earn is supposed to be confidential. I worked in payroll and this was stressed on me on my first day. I agree that people who have access to that information in the course of their work should consider it confidential. But it's a huge red flag for me, when an employer stresses that an individual is never, ever to tell a co-worker about his.her salary- because in my experience, that means that the boss is engaged in unfair practices, and knows it. If you don't let the men tell the women they're getting$5000 a year more for the same work, then you don't have to deal with irate women employees.

My ex-boss "Scrooge" was exactly like this. And the reason was he _did_ pay new people almost as much as people like me who had been there for years and not gotten a decent raise. The original staff found out and it ended up costing him _all_ his experienced personnel in the space of a few months...

Someone in a company who has access to employee salaries, like HR or payroll, does have an obligation to keep those salaries confidential.

But employers who don't want employees revealing their salaries to other employees of the same company--that's a different story.

Not to get all legal here, but google the National Labor Relations Act if you are interested in this subject.
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« Reply #126 on: February 16, 2014, 08:19:27 AM »
Funny story about raises at my husbands job.

They were all given raises at the beginning of the year. This is my husband's second job,and it's at a small factory. He is a very good listener and as such has co-workers seek him out for advice quite often.

The week the raises came about, he had no less than 20 guys come to talk to him. Every single one said " They told me not to share what I got as a raise. I was given the highest raise in the plant because they value my work and I'm their best employee"

Yes, each one got the highest raise for being the most valued employee! lol That was the beginning of the year and he hasn't heard any grumbling, so they most have all kept it quiet except for telling him.

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« Reply #127 on: February 16, 2014, 01:45:13 PM »
Mayhug, that could really have backfired on them if one of the 20 had shared with another. It would have been a lot smarter to tell them that they had received the largest bonus given out, because they were such a valued employee, rather than telling 20 people they were the BEST employee. I wouldn't care if 20 other people also got the same amount I did, if they were hard workers, too. But I would lose respect if I found out the boss was saying each of us was the best employee he had.

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« Reply #128 on: February 16, 2014, 02:05:30 PM »
I think you could say, "We're giving you our best raise because we value your work," which might sound like the same thing but isn't."

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« Reply #129 on: February 18, 2014, 02:35:25 PM »
This is why I am so glad to be in civil service, where salary is set by law and is a matter of public record.
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« Reply #130 on: February 18, 2014, 03:29:47 PM »
My salary (and annual salary history) are also publicly posted.  It is also set to a strict guideline as to how much I am to be paid.  I work for a public university so ALL of our salaries are public knowledge, as is that of all the other government employees.

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« Reply #131 on: February 18, 2014, 04:37:45 PM »
This is why I am so glad to be in civil service, where salary is set by law and is a matter of public record.

And the school district! Even our retirement is published.

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« Reply #132 on: February 19, 2014, 03:35:19 PM »
I’ll try to make this BG as short as possible: I worked for a small chiropractic office for just over a year. They were a relatively new practice, and were trying out as many ideas as they could to drum up business. They decided to sign on with a “lifestyle coach”. While I could see that a large part of the system was really great for the business side of things, there was also as aspect of “personal development”. This personal development focused largely on Christian religion, such as “thanking God for the bounty that is yours”. For the record: I have NO issue with anyone wanting to uphold any kind of religious morals in their own lives, but I also firmly believe in the separation of work and religion (with the obvious exclusions: churches, missions/ministries, etc.). So personally, I was not comfortable supporting the religious aspects of the coaching system within the office. Of course, after a short time, the doctors felt I was “not supporting them in their efforts with Doctor Coach” and let me go. Those were their exact words when they let me go. I covered my bases, contacted a labor lawyer (who told me, based on the facts, that I was let go without just cause – as in, laid off), and got the ball rolling for unemployment insurance. Well, after having to ask for my Record of Employment (legally required to be in my hands 10 business days after dismissal), I discovered they lied on the reason for dismissal, saying I was insubordinate and did not do my job. I fought their reasoning through the local labor board, and I won! Full unemployment benefits!

Would you believe the doctors actually approached me after all of this, to let me know they “would love to continue treating me as a patient”…?!?!?

Can I get a big e-hell NO on that one, folks?

I’m still scraping my jaw off the floor over this, and it happened in 2001.

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« Reply #133 on: February 19, 2014, 03:45:20 PM »
I’ll try to make this BG as short as possible: I worked for a small chiropractic office for just over a year. They were a relatively new practice, and were trying out as many ideas as they could to drum up business. They decided to sign on with a “lifestyle coach”. While I could see that a large part of the system was really great for the business side of things, there was also as aspect of “personal development”. This personal development focused largely on Christian religion, such as “thanking God for the bounty that is yours”. For the record: I have NO issue with anyone wanting to uphold any kind of religious morals in their own lives, but I also firmly believe in the separation of work and religion (with the obvious exclusions: churches, missions/ministries, etc.). So personally, I was not comfortable supporting the religious aspects of the coaching system within the office. Of course, after a short time, the doctors felt I was “not supporting them in their efforts with Doctor Coach” and let me go. Those were their exact words when they let me go. I covered my bases, contacted a labor lawyer (who told me, based on the facts, that I was let go without just cause – as in, laid off), and got the ball rolling for unemployment insurance. Well, after having to ask for my Record of Employment (legally required to be in my hands 10 business days after dismissal), I discovered they lied on the reason for dismissal, saying I was insubordinate and did not do my job. I fought their reasoning through the local labor board, and I won! Full unemployment benefits!

Would you believe the doctors actually approached me after all of this, to let me know they “would love to continue treating me as a patient”…?!?!?

Can I get a big e-hell NO on that one, folks?

I’m still scraping my jaw off the floor over this, and it happened in 2001.

The mind... she boggles! I really, truly wish I could understand the worldview that makes "Yes, I know we made you life hard and fought you in court over something you were entitled to, but we're willing to put this all behind us in exchange for you paying us" seem like a reasonable thought to express.

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« Reply #134 on: February 19, 2014, 03:56:25 PM »
^^^ Situations such as that are the kind that make me want to say, "I would like to direct your attention to the sprig of mistletoe I have so playfully affixed to my back pocket."
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