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pierrotlunaire0

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I just read a book about Marcel Petiot, and it was sickening.  He had his own death chamber hooked up with a viewing lens so he could watch them die.
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The whole thing is disturbing to begin with, but after the boys were rescued, we find out that the older boy was left largely unsupervised for the 4 years he lived with his abductor, made friends with kids in the neighborhood, had online gaming profiles and even possibly posted on an online message board that was dedicated to finding him. In that time and with all that freedom, he never told anyone who he was or tried to escape.

I hope you're not blaming Shawn.

Conditioning can take far less time that you'd think,
which is the truly scary thing. Look at the Jessyca Mullenberg kidnapping; by the time she was rescued 3 1/2 months after she was kidnapped she didn't recognize her own name.
A matter of days, sometimes even hours.  There are adult eyewitness accounts of white children taken during Indian raids on the American frontier, and within days the children (usually boys) were looking up to their kidnappers even after seeing their parents killed by those same Indians. 
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The whole thing is disturbing to begin with, but after the boys were rescued, we find out that the older boy was left largely unsupervised for the 4 years he lived with his abductor, made friends with kids in the neighborhood, had online gaming profiles and even possibly posted on an online message board that was dedicated to finding him. In that time and with all that freedom, he never told anyone who he was or tried to escape.

I hope you're not blaming Shawn.

Conditioning can take far less time that you'd think,
which is the truly scary thing. Look at the Jessyca Mullenberg kidnapping; by the time she was rescued 3 1/2 months after she was kidnapped she didn't recognize her own name.
A matter of days, sometimes even hours.  There are adult eyewitness accounts of white children taken during Indian raids on the American frontier, and within days the children (usually boys) were looking up to their kidnappers even after seeing their parents killed by those same Indians. 

Probably because when the reverse happened (NA captured by "whites") they were outright killed or turned into slaves. http://www.native-languages.org/iaq17.htm
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http://everything2.com/title/Richardson+Family+Murders
And she's only getting 10 years for this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Laurie_Show
Lets see, you stalk and murder the girl your boyfriend raped, then claim you were framed by cops who gang-raped you? And she actually suckered a judge into believing any of this?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Shanda_Sharer
Just completely disturbing.

I just read the Crime Library entry on Shanda Sharer - I cried my way through that story! My daughter is only one year younger than Shanda. My heartfelt sympathies go out to that poor mother who had to relive her daughter's death every time these cretins applied for release! And the  ones that said they had no choice... well, I do not have enough words to describe how I fell about that! Each of those girls had multiple opportunities to stop what was happening, and none of them did. They are all just as culpable in my opinion!

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Probably because when the reverse happened (NA captured by "whites") they were outright killed or turned into slaves. http://www.native-languages.org/iaq17.htm

Well you have to remember many people were kidnapped by Indian tribes specifically to be adopted as replacements for dead relatives- or were captured and ended up being adopted- as happened to Mary Jemison. She was captured at 15 and lived the rest of her life -she was 90 when she died- with the Seneca and said in here autobiography that once adopted her family treated her as their beloved sister. June Namias has an excellent book on captivities - White Captives: Gender and Ethnicity on the American Frontier.
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There's the book Naya Nuki: the Girl Who Ran which is about a girl who was taken by a rival tribe and escaped and ran home.  That one isn't about white settlers at all, just different tribes (although her friend, also taken captive, is Sacagawea).
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squeakers

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Probably because when the reverse happened (NA captured by "whites") they were outright killed or turned into slaves. http://www.native-languages.org/iaq17.htm

Well you have to remember many people were kidnapped by Indian tribes specifically to be adopted as replacements for dead relatives- or were captured and ended up being adopted- as happened to Mary Jemison. She was captured at 15 and lived the rest of her life -she was 90 when she died- with the Seneca and said in here autobiography that once adopted her family treated her as their beloved sister. June Namias has an excellent book on captivities - White Captives: Gender and Ethnicity on the American Frontier.

Yup, so settler kids would find themselves being treated well.. sometimes even nicer than what their parents had (no corporeal punishment, no chores.. if they were boys, girls would be doing chores).

http://www.ushistoryscene.com/uncategorized/captivitynarratives/ has more info and a link that doesn't work to Mary Jemison's book. http://www.gutenberg.org/ebooks/6960 does work  ;D
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Belle Gunness.  A very prolific murderess, the scary part is that a lot of the evidence supports the theory that she did not die, but faked her own death, and was free to move on with all her profits. 
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Slight threadjack - here is a link to the story of Olive Oatman, a captive of the Native Americans who was later returned to her family. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olive_Oatman

Things that I have read about Olive said that she was tattooed as a kindly, religious gesture to protect her in the after life.  She tried unsuccessfully to have the tattoos removed.


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this one

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Durousseau

Because at the time he was killing the  womenl, I had a cousin that was dating him and had child with him.

Wow.  That would definitely scare me. 

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Slight threadjack - here is a link to the story of Olive Oatman, a captive of the Native Americans who was later returned to her family. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olive_Oatman

Things that I have read about Olive said that she was tattooed as a kindly, religious gesture to protect her in the after life.  She tried unsuccessfully to have the tattoos removed.
there is a book on Olive published in the last few years I've been meaning to buy that argues she was considered to be a member of the second tribe- and considered herself as one because she would act as as a woman of the tribe and wasn't afraid to disagree.
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http://www.crimelibrary.com/notorious_murders/family/piper_rountree/1.html
http://truecrimezine.com/jessica-mccord/
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Larissa_Schuster
I realize having your husband leave you isn't fun, but murdering your kids father is NOT an acceptable solution.
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The brutal murder of Heather DeWild by her creepy exhusband Dan and his equally awful twin David.  :( I was disgusted by Dan rolling his eyes, mouthing things and making faces while the judge was passing sentence. I don't believe that David's girlfriend is innocent, even though she got off the hook.

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this one

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Paul_Durousseau

Because at the time he was killing the  womenl, I had a cousin that was dating him and had child with him.

Just catching up with this thread, but holy crap that's close to home. I can't imagine how she felt when she found out.
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doodlemor

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Slight threadjack - here is a link to the story of Olive Oatman, a captive of the Native Americans who was later returned to her family. 

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Olive_Oatman

Things that I have read about Olive said that she was tattooed as a kindly, religious gesture to protect her in the after life.  She tried unsuccessfully to have the tattoos removed.
there is a book on Olive published in the last few years I've been meaning to buy that argues she was considered to be a member of the second tribe- and considered herself as one because she would act as as a woman of the tribe and wasn't afraid to disagree.

That sounds like an interesting book - I'll have to look for it.

It's been awhile since I read about Olive.  My memory does confirm what you wrote, that she was well integrated into the second tribe.  I think that they might have been the ones to tattoo her. 

I remember reading something about her walking to an army post when she was going to back to her family, and when she got close by realized that she couldn't go into the post in her NA garb, which was scant.  She hid herself in a bush until someone brought her a dress to cover her nakedness.

If you like reading about the old west here is a link to a book that I just loved, and have reread many times.  You could probably get it through library interloan, if your local library doesn't have it.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Gentle-Tamers-Women-Wild/dp/0803250258

It is by Dee Brown, who also wrote Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee.  It is particularly interesting because Brown uses so many primary sources in his text, bringing the reader right back to those places and times.

One story in particular stays with me, although I can't remember the name of the woman.  This young woman was traveling west with her father and brothers in a wagon after the death of her mother.  One day when they were in the mountains her father and brothers rode off to hunt - and never came back.  When she realized that she was alone she cried for several days, and then decided to live.  She constructed a dugout type of shelter, using the wagon canvas for the top, killed her oxen for food, and lived.  When some Native Americans found her in the spring they were astonished that she had survived the winter by herself and they took her to a nearby fort.