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snacky-poo

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not inviting trouble to a party
« on: January 08, 2007, 04:03:22 PM »
I've lurked around for quite a while and now need some input on a situation coming up. 

I am planning to go out with some friends for my upcoming 30th birthday.  Not a "hey it's my day I want it all" type of thing, just a night out with friends and I'm paying for the dinner. 

Here's where the problem starts...

One friend J (we've known each other 8 years) has lately been making a habit of turning into a drunken spectacle (I'm being nice - lots of stories for eh3ll) and ruinining the evening/party/weekend/wedding/etc.  This has happened at about 6 events over the past year.  Since we have many of the same friends, we've all tried to let her know what she's doing is not only dangerous for her, but unappreciated by us.  She comes back all weepy that she has no friends/no one likes her/we're lying/etc and that it will never happen again.  I frankly don't  ever want to see her drunk and rolling around a dancefloor with her dress over her head sans undies again.

Now to the situation - I don't want her at my birthday and the others who are coming don't want her there either.  This will completely end the friendship and will have very unpleasant repercussions.  I know that "no" is a complete sentence, but I'm still a little worried  about what will happen.  I hate having to end a friendship like this.  She can be a really good person - but she can also be too much trouble and not remember any of it the next day.

So do I not even tell her about anything or tell her right away she's not invited?

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Re: not inviting trouble to a party
« Reply #1 on: January 08, 2007, 04:08:02 PM »
Maybe explain to her that even though you are friends, her actions lately has made it very hard for everyone to have fun with her and that because of the previous actions, she is not being invited to the party.  This doesn't mean you don't still want to be friends, but her actions have made everyone uncomfortable.  Then you can maybe suggest just you and her getting together for lunch or something to celebrate your birthday, if you want to.

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« Reply #2 on: January 08, 2007, 04:08:43 PM »
I think it would be unkind to proactively call her up to say, "I'm having a party and you're not invited."  

When she learns of the dinner she may call you to say, "How Come?"  At that point, since you have already spoken to her about her drinking, you can simply repeat that it was because her drinking is out of hand and you didn't want to risk a repeat of her past behavior at your birthday.  


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« Reply #3 on: January 08, 2007, 04:11:24 PM »
You should explain to her that because of her choices in the past (ie getting drunk) you would rather celebrate with her separately. Take her out to a brunch or something, another time. Maybe that morning. You could say, "Hey, I'm going to be out tonight for my birthday, but I was hoping the two of us could do something special instead, like maybe brunch this morning."




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« Reply #4 on: January 08, 2007, 04:11:44 PM »
I wasn't planning on calling her up and just saying no - I just want to be ready for when it comes up.  Part of me thinks that just not saying anything is a little passive .  I just hate confrontation period and I'm trying to do this a "nicely" as possible because ther will be hurt feelings.
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« Reply #5 on: January 08, 2007, 04:13:26 PM »
You should explain to her that because of her choices in the past (ie getting drunk) you would rather celebrate with her separately. Take her out to a brunch or something, another time. Maybe that morning. You could say, "Hey, I'm going to be out tonight for my birthday, but I was hoping the two of us could do something special instead, like maybe brunch this morning."

I have tried just going out for lunch with her - but she will cancel the plans at the last minute or just not show up.
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« Reply #6 on: January 08, 2007, 04:14:54 PM »
I think it would be unkind to proactively call her up to say, "I'm having a party and you're not invited."  

When she learns of the dinner she may call you to say, "How Come?"  At that point, since you have already spoken to her about her drinking, you can simply repeat that it was because her drinking is out of hand and you didn't want to risk a repeat of her past behavior at your birthday.  



I agree with Chocolate Cake, as long as there isn't a chance that the friend might just assume she's included and show up uninvited.  If this is a possibility, you should probably talk to her in advance.

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« Reply #7 on: January 08, 2007, 04:29:06 PM »
You should explain to her that because of her choices in the past (ie getting drunk) you would rather celebrate with her separately. Take her out to a brunch or something, another time. Maybe that morning. You could say, "Hey, I'm going to be out tonight for my birthday, but I was hoping the two of us could do something special instead, like maybe brunch this morning."

I have tried just going out for lunch with her - but she will cancel the plans at the last minute or just not show up.

Then I would make specific birthday plans with her, letting her know that this is how you two are going to celebrate her birthday, and if she shows, great. If not, move on, and go party with your friends on your birthday anyway.

Personally, it sounds to me like she's only going to occasions at which she can get drunk. That may be just my take on it tho.




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« Reply #8 on: January 08, 2007, 04:33:41 PM »
<cue music>

It's your party and you can do what you want to .....do what you want to.....

<end music>

Seriously maybe you could send out some sort of invitation. When she calls you with the "where is mine" speach,  it could give you some sort of excuse to tell her Just Why You Are Not Invited

I would be very unhappy if my social time with my friends turned into a drunken spectical.

I want to enjoy myself -- not spend my birthday bailing her butt out of jail.
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« Reply #9 on: January 08, 2007, 04:34:12 PM »
I've lurked around for quite a while and now need some input on a situation coming up. 

I am planning to go out with some friends for my upcoming 30th birthday.  Not a "hey it's my day I want it all" type of thing, just a night out with friends and I'm paying for the dinner. 

Here's where the problem starts...

Now to the situation - I don't want her at my birthday and the others who are coming don't want her there either.  This will completely end the friendship and will have very unpleasant repercussions.  I know that "no" is a complete sentence, but I'm still a little worried  about what will happen.  I hate having to end a friendship like this.  She can be a really good person - but she can also be too much trouble and not remember any of it the next day.

So do I not even tell her about anything or tell her right away she's not invited?


It sounds like your friend has a serious drinking problem and you are right to protect yourself from her actions.  As previously suggested, unless you think she'll just crash, don't say anything.  If she finds out and confronts you, you should tell her the truth.  It will hurt, but most alcoholics need to hit bottom before they seek help, and holding her up prolongs the fantasy that she's "handling" the situation.

My neighbours have a friend that did the same thing. DH and I have left their parties because of the violent and unpredictable outbursts, the yelling, fighting, vomiting, etc.  The Halloween before last they finally did something they'd never done before.  They used the digital camera and videotaped their friend and his antics.  They were filming the whole party, but managed to pick up most of the nasty drunken behaviour.  The next day he came by and they talked to him about the party.  Like your friend, he denied everything, and suggested they were exaggerating so they  just plugged in the camera and sat him down to watch.  After the video he called them a nasty name, said they'd set him up and left.  They didn't hear from him for months.

They didn't hear from him because he went home, told his family who said DUH! Why didn't WE think of that! and checked himself into rehab.
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Re: not inviting trouble to a party
« Reply #10 on: January 08, 2007, 04:35:47 PM »
You should explain to her that because of her choices in the past (ie getting drunk) you would rather celebrate with her separately. Take her out to a brunch or something, another time. Maybe that morning. You could say, "Hey, I'm going to be out tonight for my birthday, but I was hoping the two of us could do something special instead, like maybe brunch this morning."

I have tried just going out for lunch with her - but she will cancel the plans at the last minute or just not show up.

Then I would make specific birthday plans with her, letting her know that this is how you two are going to celebrate her birthday, and if she shows, great. If not, move on, and go party with your friends on your birthday anyway.

Personally, it sounds to me like she's only going to occasions at which she can get drunk. That may be just my take on it tho.

You are absolutely right - and we are going bar hopping after dinner.  I think deep down I don't want her anywhere around this birthday.  Like another friend of mine said - "that's way too much trouble than even my worst enemy deserves"

Plans will go ahead and if she calls (I'm not really counting on it until I'm on my way out the door that night) Sorry I have plans.
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« Reply #11 on: January 08, 2007, 09:09:45 PM »
I think it would be unkind to proactively call her up to say, "I'm having a party and you're not invited."  

I had that happen to me once, over MSN, but the only reason I wasn't invited was because Birthday Girl wanted only people in grade eleven at her party, and I was in grade twelve at the time.  I really didn't care one way or the other, since BG was in my social circle of music students, but we weren't close, and I hadn't known about the party before, and I couldn't have gone if I'd wanted to anyway, because I'd signed up to perform with the spirit band at a charity walk that day......but it didn't reflect well on BG for me, I wasn't upset that I hadn't been invited, it just made me think, "Wow, BG has no manners at all."
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« Reply #12 on: January 08, 2007, 09:39:22 PM »
First of all, it's not a party until you get to see someone's peculiars rolling on a dance floor. And what could be more fun than holding someone's head out of a toilet on your birthday??
Have your party and say nothing to her. If she brings it up, tell her that her past behavior has been inappropriate and embarrassing and that you didn't want to be subjected to it. Further explain that while she is your friend you're concerned about her obvious problem with alcohol and that in light of those concerns you didn't think it appropriate to tempt her.
If she chooses to terminate the friendship then that is her choice. But allowing her to come to events where she will get sloshed and then quietly standing by and letting it happen over and over is enabling and is very dangerous to her.
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« Reply #13 on: January 08, 2007, 11:29:46 PM »
Auntie Venom is right. Of course, this is nothing new ;).

Have fun at your party!

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« Reply #14 on: January 09, 2007, 01:01:40 AM »
I have also had (have) a friend, "Laura" (not her real name), who is an alcoholic, which I'm afraid to say is what your friend is.  I have known Laura for 10 years and she has been sober now for 5 years after going to rehab (fell off the wagon the 1st time and had to go back a few weeks later).  I too was concerned about confronting her about her behaviour in case of the repercussions but decided that in the end I didn't care if she hated my guts for the rest of her life, if it prompted her to get the help she needed then it was worth it. 

We are both members of the same playgroup and with hindsight we all enabled her behaviour by allowing her to carry on the way she did and not calling her on it or confronting her.  Her problem became obvious to various members of the group gradually during the first year and by the 1st anniversary of our group forming there was never a time we saw her sober (10am, 1pm, 11pm, it never mattered). The main reason none of us said anything was she had a child and we were worried that if she cut off contact with us we wouldn't be able to keep an eye on the child.  (We found out later that she had been drinking continually all through her pregnancy but this was before we knew her.  Had I known her during that time I would never have befriended her).

Fortunately she never became violent or nasty, she just rambled, got weepy, or was a bit out of it.  Looking back now (isn't hindsight a wonderful thing) I would have confronted her about it a lot sooner.  It wasn't until she went into rehab that I realised what a physical and emotional drain it took it on my body to be worrying about her all the time.  This might sound hard but if she took up drinking again, or I met someone else who was going down the same path, I would cut them off right there and then.  Once bitten twice shy.

If I was in the same position again, either with her or someone else, I would definitely not invite them to the party and I would tell her why when she found out about it.  If your other firends don't want her there either then that's telling you that they are all sick of her behaviour as well, and I would hate to see you missing out on a nice celebration for your birthday if they chose to boycott if your other friend is invited (is this a possibility?).

Sometimes a line has to be drawn somewhere, and a wake up call given and this might be it for your friend.  But don't be surprised if she refuses to admit there is a problem or take responsibility for her behaviour/actions.  Laura did say to me when I confronted her that if I had said anything a year earlier she wouldn't have listened.  But at least it might give her something to think about.