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kareng57

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Re: Tipping an owner?
« Reply #15 on: July 31, 2014, 10:06:25 PM »
I think it's really becoming forgotten. I bet if I polled a bunch of business owners, they'd have no idea that tipping owners was not technically correct. I remember being in a restaurant where the owner was our server. So my elderly mom didn't tip because he was the owner, and the owner was visibly shocked by this.

I think that's what happens when people are lazy about teaching their kids about local courtesies. For example, when I was a small child, cars would pull over to the side of the road to accommodate funeral processions (similar to the way you do with emergency vehicles), band also at 11am on November 11 traffic would come stop. Nowadays funeral motorcades just become part of regular traffic and are lucky if people let them run the traffic light.*


*Not sure about elsewhere, but in my home town really long funeral processions are allowed to proceed through a traffic light if the motorcade is so long that not everyone can get through on the green. They usually have police to help them out with that.


Re funeral processions - it's very regional so it's not necessarily a pattern of parents neglecting to teach their kids the appropriate protocol.  I'm in an urban area, but I've seen exactly one funeral procession in my life and I'm 55+.  It therefore never occurred to my to teach my driver-training kids the proper etiquette and I'm not sure if it's even in the government driving manual.

wolfie

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Re: Tipping an owner?
« Reply #16 on: August 01, 2014, 07:02:51 AM »
I think it's really becoming forgotten. I bet if I polled a bunch of business owners, they'd have no idea that tipping owners was not technically correct. I remember being in a restaurant where the owner was our server. So my elderly mom didn't tip because he was the owner, and the owner was visibly shocked by this.

I think that's what happens when people are lazy about teaching their kids about local courtesies. For example, when I was a small child, cars would pull over to the side of the road to accommodate funeral processions (similar to the way you do with emergency vehicles), band also at 11am on November 11 traffic would come stop. Nowadays funeral motorcades just become part of regular traffic and are lucky if people let them run the traffic light.*


*Not sure about elsewhere, but in my home town really long funeral processions are allowed to proceed through a traffic light if the motorcade is so long that not everyone can get through on the green. They usually have police to help them out with that.


Re funeral processions - it's very regional so it's not necessarily a pattern of parents neglecting to teach their kids the appropriate protocol.  I'm in an urban area, but I've seen exactly one funeral procession in my life and I'm 55+.  It therefore never occurred to my to teach my driver-training kids the proper etiquette and I'm not sure if it's even in the government driving manual.


Also laws for funeral processions are different in different areas. We had a thread like this a while back and I looked it up.  In some places it is illegal for them to go through red lights without a police escort.  In some it is okay.  So unless you know exactly what the rules in your area are I would be careful about labeling anyone a SS.  I have also only encountered 2 processions in my life.

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« Reply #17 on: August 01, 2014, 08:21:26 AM »
When I was a little girl, my mom taught me the rule about not tipping the owner regarding her beautician.  Fully understanding that rule, I think that I've broken it every time I've been in that situation.  I'm uncomfortable with not leaving a tip.

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« Reply #18 on: August 06, 2014, 07:59:22 PM »
I was aware of the rule, but I think it is outdated as I interpreted it as probably having originated in small communities where one might have a relationship with an owner that would make it a little odd/insulting to tip. As in, if you gave a tip, you are saying you perceive them as in need of the money or a different 'class' because they are providing something you cannot or will not do for yourself, whereas by not giving a tip you are acknowledging them as an 'equal' who owns the business. (I do not mean this is my opinion, but my understanding of where the rule might have come from.)

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Re: Tipping an owner?
« Reply #19 on: August 06, 2014, 09:14:38 PM »
I was aware of the rule, but I think it is outdated as I interpreted it as probably having originated in small communities where one might have a relationship with an owner that would make it a little odd/insulting to tip. As in, if you gave a tip, you are saying you perceive them as in need of the money or a different 'class' because they are providing something you cannot or will not do for yourself, whereas by not giving a tip you are acknowledging them as an 'equal' who owns the business. (I do not mean this is my opinion, but my understanding of where the rule might have come from.)

The rule comes from the fact that as the owner she would set her own prices so the tip would already be in the amount you are paying.

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Re: Tipping an owner?
« Reply #20 on: August 07, 2014, 07:00:06 AM »
To note, my Dad has kept tipping the owner, since he started out doing it and felt like it would have been awkward to just stop.

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« Reply #21 on: August 07, 2014, 12:14:15 PM »
I remember when I was younger, I went to my hair appointment alone and tried to tip the owner.  She gently gave me the money back and explained to me that one does not tip the owner.  I have followed that rule for my whole life...I hope it isn't changing now!  I love my current hairdresser and I hope that she doesn't think I am being cheap since I don't tip her (just the other girls in the shop) because she is the owner.

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« Reply #22 on: August 07, 2014, 10:24:01 PM »
I think that is a large number of owners who don't understand this.  A person who provides a service to me and is the owner once commented (not directly to me at time of a service) that some people think their not supposed to tip just because she owns the business.  I explained that they were probably taught that it was rude.  She had never heard this.  Her mother is a proper Southern lady, but it had never been an issue, so my service provider never learned this. 

On contemplation, it should be addressed in hair dresser/esthetician/massage therapist school.  Considerations when being a business owner.

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kareng57

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Re: Tipping an owner?
« Reply #23 on: August 07, 2014, 11:00:47 PM »
I think that is a large number of owners who don't understand this.  A person who provides a service to me and is the owner once commented (not directly to me at time of a service) that some people think their not supposed to tip just because she owns the business.  I explained that they were probably taught that it was rude.  She had never heard this.  Her mother is a proper Southern lady, but it had never been an issue, so my service provider never learned this. 

On contemplation, it should be addressed in hair dresser/esthetician/massage therapist school.  Considerations when being a business owner.


"Massage therapist" is a different category, though.  A personal who does therapeutic massage (as opposed to a masseur/masseuse) is a professional RMT and generally should not be tipped even if he/she does not own the business.  For example, you wouldn't tip the dental hygienist who works in your dentist's office, and you wouldn't tip him/her even if it's an independent business (even though few hygienists practice independently).  You do not tip professionals

That's also the basis as to why flight attendants cannot accept tips.  Decades ago they had to be RNs and even when this was modified the tradition stuck.