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VorFemme

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I think its off. Forward to HR and he shouldnt be soliciting from subordinates.

Speaking of not raising money themselves, I was walking in to Dunkin Donuts yesterday and there were these cute young girls with cans soliciting donations for their dance school. Three of them between ages 6-12. Everyone in my group put change in except me and when the girls point blank asked me to donate I simply said 'no. My son asked me why I didnt and I explained that I have a philosophical problem with parents teaching their kids to beg money from strangers to get what they want.

I said they could sell candy bars or baked goods or participate in a car wash. Earn the extra help not ask for it for free. The moms sat inside chatting and drinking coffee. I wasnt rude and only explained when asked, out of earshot.

But I am geting frustrated by the constant demands for my money. Requests, whatever you want to call it. Im sick of it and just because I can say no doesn't mean I'm not tired of regularly being put in the position of having to say it.

It may stem from the fact that it takes a lot for me to ask for help.  I fully expect to finance my own decisions. I never give thought to how I can get others to underwrite what I want. Consequently,  I go without a lot 'wants'.

And who is to know if 'mission' is really just a glorified vacation. OP's view of Bob may give her insight on that as well.

If Bob feels this is some thing he must do for his spirituality, he needs to pay for it and the workplace shouldnt be at all involved.


About the dance school - In the future - take a picture and forward it to the school. A few years ago I went shopping. Every time I turned around some kid was asking me for money. I had it.


I pulled into a parking lot and called the cops on a baseball team that was having kids 4th - 6th grade kids panhandle in  heavy traffic at an intersection of a 7 lane FM road and a 7 lane State Highway. (Speed limit 45 mph and 50 mph)


Then I went home and sent strongly worded e-mails to the organizations that were panhandling in parking lots and the corporations that were allowing it. I included the explicit language directed at me when I said no. Each organization was shocked that the kids were panhandling - the parents were supposed to pay the fees.


Near as the school district could figure out one teacher had made a sarcastic remark to a student along the lines it isn't my problem go stand in front of Target with a tin can and ask for money.The remark was taken seriously. Once the school district found out they made it clear that raising money this way would result in the person being banned from all extra curricular activities.


The corporations were shocked at the language but also felt they had to support the school kids. I sent them the memo from the district forbidding this type of fundraising.


I still call the cops on sports teams panhandling at that intersection every few months.

Which is why VorGuy's students have a car wash once a semester.  or sell discount cards for participating local restaurants or other businesses that they have contacted & have arranged to be on the discount program.  Or have a garage sale...
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The only fundraiser ever conducted at work that wasn't the twice a year whole university drive was for a friend and colleague that had a house fire and lost everything. We gave money to pay for the immediate housing and clothing needs for her and her family as an insurance claim takes a long time.

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It seems off to me too.  First because it's a boss asking lower paid employees. Second, it's a religious thing.  If the employees / coworkers are not of the same religion, that could cause problems.

 

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This is just not done at my workplace, ever.  The closest thing to solicitations are department emails saying "hey let's get Sally something for her upcoming baby" or "Bob is out of PTO due to his extended illness, let's all donate a PTO day to him".  And there is no pressure or follow up of any kind, and no repercussions if you don't participate.  This kind of thing is ok to me because 1) it benefits someone I know and potentially care about and 2) it's always someone other than the recipient making the request.  Anything other than that kind of thing doesn't belong at work, in my opinion. 

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We might do a "i am selling girl scout cookies if anyone is interested. THere is a sign up sheet on my door."

And that is it. No pressure.

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Re: Is this "off" or is my opinion of the person making me think it's off?
« Reply #50 on: September 07, 2014, 11:35:55 AM »
Bringing religious beliefs into the workplace also seems off to me.

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Misha412 wrote
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And bringing religious events into the workplace is always inappropriate to me, unless the business itself is religious in nature or sells religious-based products/services. It is one thing to privately mention you are going on a missionary trip to some of your co-workers. But, sending out a company wide email about it with a solicitation for funding?? Not appropriate.


Imagine my shock when the CEO of a company which had recently taken over my contract called a mandatory all-hands meeting that she began with a very religious-specific prayer. On a federal site.
Then did not end the meeting until she had done so a second time.

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Re: Is this "off" or is my opinion of the person making me think it's off?
« Reply #52 on: September 08, 2014, 12:55:55 PM »
I would find it off for several reasons.

This is a personal trip that he is asking you to fund.  The fact that, during his personal trip, he plans to volunteer his time and effort in some way (whether it is handing out religious tracts or building a church hardly matters) does not negate the fact that he is effectively asking you to donate your money to support his vacation.

This is, IMO, different than supporting folks in a walk-a-thon or buying Girl Scout cookies.  I don't like either of those in a workplace and find it off-putting when a boss asks you do support these things, but at least you aren't being asked to fund someone's vacation in those.

To be honest, the fact that it is a request that people support his religion would put me off.  Religious causes, like political causes, should be off-limits for fund-raising in the workplace (barring an actual religious workplace, of course) as a general rule.  I wouldn't like it if he asked for support for a politicial party or politician either.  This has the potential to be divisive, to say the least.

He is a supervisor/manager and is putting pressure on his subordinates to use their money to support his cause.  I generally think that is out of line, no matter what cause it supports.

Yeah, this is just loaded with fail all the way around. Makes me glad my office doesn't permit any kind of fundraising. The closest that's been allowed was that we could donate PTO to a coworker whose spouse had a massive stroke so he could be at the hospital with her, and that was only once in all the time I've been here.
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Of whom you speak,
And how, and when, and where.
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Misha412 wrote
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And bringing religious events into the workplace is always inappropriate to me, unless the business itself is religious in nature or sells religious-based products/services. It is one thing to privately mention you are going on a missionary trip to some of your co-workers. But, sending out a company wide email about it with a solicitation for funding?? Not appropriate.


Imagine my shock when the CEO of a company which had recently taken over my contract called a mandatory all-hands meeting that she began with a very religious-specific prayer. On a federal site.
Then did not end the meeting until she had done so a second time.

I work for the state. We have many different offices, some central, and some scattered around the area. One site's director made a unilateral decision that no alcohol or lottery tickets could be brought for the gift exchange conducted by employees because of her personal religious beliefs about them. This did not go over well.