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Well that's just how it is.
« on: January 10, 2007, 06:21:50 PM »
The "don't you want one" thread inspired me to post.

I have a 6 week old DD.  She is awesome.  And I fully understood that my life would change once DH and I made the decision to have a baby.  But one of my friends refuses to accept this. 

When DD was 2 weeks old she called up wanting to do dinner and a movie with DH and I.  After a stunned pause I explained to her why it wasnt' possible for someone with a 2 week old baby to do this.  We talked for a while about how I was breastfeeding and wasnt' going to give her a bottle until 6 weeks.  Well this weekend I got another call from my friend asking if DH and I wanted to do dinner (at the kind of place you don't take children to) and a movie this weekend since we could now give DD a bottle and 'leave her with the grandparents'... 

I then tried for about 10 minutes to expain how I didn't want to leave DD yet (I just don't feel like it, hormones and all) and we would love to have her and her BF over for supper.  We could even rent a movie and watch it after. 

Well, as of right now, I'm "impossible" and "obviously don't want to continue the friendship".  Somehow I don't think she appreciated the custom Christmas cards we sent out with DD's pic on the front...

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« Reply #1 on: January 10, 2007, 06:48:32 PM »
Kiero, I think you might have to let this friendship go until she's willing to accept that your life has changed.  We have a couple of friends like that now, and the baby isn't even born yet.  One of my friends actually complained that I'm not "fun" anymore now that I'm pregnant since I don't want to go out late at night with them anymore.  Any attempt on my part to schedule something different has been rebuffed or met with "That's so boring!"  So I have given up trying to come up with alternate plans and just politely decline if they suggest something.  I can't wait for them to see how much "fun" I will be after the baby's born.   ;)

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« Reply #2 on: January 10, 2007, 06:53:15 PM »
The "don't you want one" thread inspired me to post.

I have a 6 week old DD.  She is awesome.  And I fully understood that my life would change once DH and I made the decision to have a baby.  But one of my friends refuses to accept this.  When DD was 2 weeks old she called up wanting to do dinner and a movie with DH and I.  After a stunned pause I explained to her why it wasnt' possible for someone with a 2 week old baby to do this.  We talked for a while about how I was breastfeeding and wasnt' going to give her a bottle until 6 weeks.  Well this weekend I got another call from my friend asking if DH and I wanted to do dinner (at the kind of place you don't take children to) and a movie this weekend since we could now give DD a bottle and 'leave her with the grandparents'...  I then tried for about 10 minutes to expain how I didn't want to leave DD yet (I just don't feel like it, hormones and all) and we would love to have her and her BF over for supper.  We could even rent a movie and watch it after.  Well, as of right now, I'm "impossible" and "obviously don't want to continue the friendship".  Somehow I don't think she appreciated the custom Christmas cards we sent out with DD's pic on the front...

I had a friend like this too. She kept asking me to do one-on-one things with her "while you are out on maternity leave anyway" - like let's do a spa day, or something else that would be difficult to take DD to and breastfeed while there. She didn't want to be around me at all if my DD was going to be coming along. When you are breastfeeding, some folks don't understand, you HAVE to breastfeed at certain times or you get uncomfortable. Being away from baby for too long is just not an option. We lost touch, I had plenty of other friends who didn't mind being around me and DH AND DD. All at the same time!

Joy in Virginia

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« Reply #3 on: January 10, 2007, 07:00:06 PM »
It's funny.  I couldn't do alot with her while I was pregnant because I went to bed at around 9pm every night.  But I think she thought things would go back to normal once the baby came.

Her sister had a baby at 19 and did the whole formula and dump at grandma's fron the very beginning.  She just doesn't seem to be able to understand why I don't want to do that.  Even if I did pump some milk, it will take a while before I'm comfortable leaving DD in the evening which is when she's fussy.  I just e-mailed her saying we could meet for coffee during the day.  I guess we'll see what happens. 

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« Reply #4 on: January 10, 2007, 07:21:20 PM »

I had a friend like this too. She kept asking me to do one-on-one things with her "while you are out on maternity leave anyway" - like let's do a spa day, or something else that would be difficult to take DD to and breastfeed while there. She didn't want to be around me at all if my DD was going to be coming along. When you are breastfeeding, some folks don't understand, you HAVE to breastfeed at certain times or you get uncomfortable. Being away from baby for too long is just not an option. We lost touch, I had plenty of other friends who didn't mind being around me and DH AND DD. All at the same time!

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She wanted you to do things with her as long as you were out of work on maternity leave - but it didn't occur to her WHY you were out of work on maternity leave?

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« Reply #5 on: January 10, 2007, 07:22:29 PM »
It's funny.  I couldn't do alot with her while I was pregnant because I went to bed at around 9pm every night.  But I think she thought things would go back to normal once the baby came.

Her sister had a baby at 19 and did the whole formula and dump at grandma's fron the very beginning.  She just doesn't seem to be able to understand why I don't want to do that.  Even if I did pump some milk, it will take a while before I'm comfortable leaving DD in the evening which is when she's fussy.  I just e-mailed her saying we could meet for coffee during the day.  I guess we'll see what happens. 

When I was quite young and had my first baby, I often invited friends over to watch TV, listen to music, play Scrabble, have dinner, whatever - I didn't like leaving my daughter AND I couldn't afford a babysitter terribly often.

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« Reply #6 on: January 10, 2007, 08:52:44 PM »
Some people are just so clueless. :o




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« Reply #7 on: January 10, 2007, 09:22:50 PM »
Please.  Does she honestly think you are going to prioritize her above your child?  Not now, not ever.  There will come a time when your social life will normalize, but she is never going to be your top priority -- and she doesn't seem able to consider that.  Really, I think she is just immature...so that's good, because she can grow out of it.  :)

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« Reply #8 on: January 10, 2007, 09:30:27 PM »
I remember the first night I let my son spend the night with my mother in law. He was six weeks old. I called her twice while hubby and I were at dinner to check on my son. When we got back to check on him all was well. I told her what times he would wake up for his bottle then hubby and I went home...to the camper in her driveway...and I got up at feeding times (conditioned to wake up I guess) to go in and check on them.
It's not easy to leave your baby. Maybe some day friend will get it. I would like to say that she's trying to offer you some grown up time and isn't going about it well, but the selfish comments at the end of the post make me doubt this...her selfish comments show a real lack of maturity.
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« Reply #9 on: January 10, 2007, 09:50:06 PM »
This is horrible, but in my twenties my friends and I led pretty wild lives, and I've never been a big fan of babies and hate baby showers.

So I was telling one of my guy friends about my friends, a couple, that just announced that they were going to have a baby, I sighed thinking about the shower, the presents, and how I was going to have to pretend I thought the baby was cute. My friend, straight out said, dump them. Startled I asked him to repeat himself. He said, dump them, you're lives are completely different now and they won't want to do anything but deal with the baby, they won't be able to go out and they'll talk about nothing but the baby.  I have to admit I laughed, but it was also kind of true.

Not all friends are life long friends and sometimes you enjoy them while it's both mutually benneficial. I still keep in contact with these friends by the way and it was not nearly as horrible as he said it was going to be, but we will never be the type of friends that we once were.

Of course they weren't any of my best friends, that's different, but rather just people I had enjoyed.

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« Reply #10 on: January 10, 2007, 09:55:39 PM »
Hi

Your friend is not really being fare to you. Your friend does have to realize that you will change and your growing family could enrich her life not take away from.

i know this is going to sound selfish on my part but I had kind of an opposite problem years ago with friends of mine. they had kids and yes their life changed. Heck so did I, I was glad they were happy.
 
I definately understood that they had families, etc...And I enjoyed time with their kids, after the kids were born and months or a couple of years old, we would plan "girls night out". Normally just catch up time for us.
Anyways I don't know how many times the kids ended up coming along.

My two best friends:

BF #1 -She got to the point where she'd say "Let's go here and take the kid with us" but we were suppose to just sit at her place and have coffee to catch up. I had to tell her I don't mind visiting but I'm not a taxi service.
BF #2 - Her hubby and kids always ended doing something to include themselves when it was "girls only". I finally asked that if we are planning a night to catch up, please arrange something ahead of time, or at least call me before I leave my place to cancel.

I felt like hired help at times. But in the end both friends were great and to this day we still keep in touch.

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« Reply #11 on: January 10, 2007, 10:17:28 PM »

I had a friend like this too. She kept asking me to do one-on-one things with her "while you are out on maternity leave anyway" - like let's do a spa day, or something else that would be difficult to take DD to and breastfeed while there. She didn't want to be around me at all if my DD was going to be coming along. When you are breastfeeding, some folks don't understand, you HAVE to breastfeed at certain times or you get uncomfortable. Being away from baby for too long is just not an option. We lost touch, I had plenty of other friends who didn't mind being around me and DH AND DD. All at the same time!
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She wanted you to do things with her as long as you were out of work on maternity leave - but it didn't occur to her WHY you were out of work on maternity leave?
Yes! She just viewed my maternity leave as a nice long paid vacation, from that and other comments. LOL!
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« Reply #12 on: January 10, 2007, 10:35:05 PM »
It's her loss.  Anybody who's had a baby knows right where you're coming from, and if she's not willing to empathize with you, then letting it lie may be a good idea.  Hopefully she'll come around after some time has passed, but if she doesn't, IMHO, there isn't a whole lot you can do about it.  People with brand new babies need what they need, and it varies from new mom to new mom.  If she can't be understanding, then the heck with her.  That baby (and you) has to come first, not her and her demands....

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« Reply #13 on: January 10, 2007, 10:35:57 PM »
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My friend, straight out said, dump them. Startled I asked him to repeat himself. He said, dump them, you're lives are completely different now and they won't want to do anything but deal with the baby, they won't be able to go out and they'll talk about nothing but the baby.  I have to admit I laughed, but it was also kind of true.

It is true.  I wouldn't go so far as to say "dump them" but in a way it happens anyway.  I've been through it with friends when they had a baby.  It's a different form of GU (geographically undesirable.)  No matter how much both parties might want to keep up the friendship, you are now living in different worlds.  I've had long breaks from good friends when they were in the newborn stage, and eased back into the friendship in a slow and limited way as the kid grows up, but the truth is- you're now living in different worlds.

Until the child achieves some level of autonomy, or the parent can find ways to spend friend time without the kid there or crying in the background the whole time, there's just not a whole lot that you can really share.  To the parent, the new baby is the most fascinating thing in the world.  As it should be.  But to everyone else- not so much.  A limited dose of "yes isn't it adorable" is ok but long talks about anything other than diapers, sleeping habits, and various baby illnesses, are something that will only be regained after the child begins to grow up.

Some parents allow the stage where nothing is important but the Baybee to go on far too long, and it doesn't matter how old the child gets.  The parent will never again have time to give serious attention to anything else.  You never can tell, so don't write it off completely.  My closest friend took years to get to the stage where she could talk about anything other than His Wonderfulness, so I kept in touch via short perfunctory *phone calls and even shorter visits.  The day she woke up and decided she wanted an adult life again, we were able to reconnect.  Still in a limited way, sure, but at least she began to be interested again in something other than what came out of her birth canal.

I wouldn't say 'dump them', more like, don't expect much for quite some time.  Develop other friendships. Little as I care for babies and young kids, I can't resent someone for making their child their priority.  If they won't, why did they bother to have one?  It's only when it goes on forever that I take exception to.  It's sad to realize some people only used to pretend to be interested and interesting but they were really just waiting for something to subjugate themselves to and tick off the the List (had baby...check.  Lost all interest in anything outside family... check.)

*Do not attempt to MAKE the phone call with parents of young ones.  Insist that they initiate them at a time when the kids aren't screaming in the background.  If they try to talk despite ear piercing shrieks and countless interruptions, you are allowed to say "clearly this isn't a good time for you, we'll talk later" and go off to thank your lucky stars you still have the ability to recognize "this isn't a real conversation" even if they don't.

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« Reply #14 on: January 10, 2007, 11:37:08 PM »

Well, as of right now, I'm "impossible" and "obviously don't want to continue the friendship".  Somehow I don't think she appreciated the custom Christmas cards we sent out with DD's pic on the front...


My husband and I married very young, but didn't have children for more than 10 years.  During that time, many of our friends had children.  We used to call it "crossing to the dark side".  Once they crossed, you basically lost them.  Now we have a child of our own, we've crossed too.  We still have childless friends, but we aren't as close to them anymore.  We have many new friends with children around our daughter's age and we've also reconnected with some of our "lost" friends.  It's just so much easier to be with people who have similar circumstances.  They understand that you want to have dinner at 6pm so that you can have the kids in bed by a reasonable hour.  They understand if you have to leave a gathering so that you can follow through on consequences for a disobedient child, they understand the value of sleep etc, etc.

Sounds like this is a friendship you may have to allow to drift, at least for a while.  Hopefully you'll be able to reconnect later when your baby is older.