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mrsbrandt

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Is looking rude?
« on: January 11, 2007, 10:05:35 AM »
I know people think that it's rude for a child (2-4) to stand up in a booth and stare at people who are eating.  My daughter is 2 and we don't ever allow her to stand or get out of her high chair, unless she's sitting in my or DH's lap.  She does have the habit of staring at other diners though.  She'll keep her bottom planted firmly in her seat, but spend time looking at other people.  She doesn't try to talk to them or anything else, but just enjoys watching what they're doing.  Sometimes other diners try to interact with her, which I'd prefer they didn't (means less eating happens) - but it's never a big deal. 

DH and I try to make her face forward, but how do we work on correcting our 2 year old when she wants to look at other people?  And is it rude if a child is looking at you, but staying put in their seat and not trying to speak/interact with you?

FWIW DD never goes anywhere fancy with us, so this might happen at a pizza place or Mexican restaurant, but never at fine dining establishments.

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Re: Is looking rude?
« Reply #1 on: January 11, 2007, 10:08:19 AM »
How about telling her what she CAN do?

"Look at Mommy"


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Re: Is looking rude?
« Reply #2 on: January 11, 2007, 10:15:45 AM »
We try to look at mommy and look at daddy bit, but it gets old for a two year old after a little while.  She doesn't spend the majority of the meal or anything looking at other people and we do bring more than enough to keep her occupied - she just likes looking at other people.  It's really kinda embarassing for us.

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« Reply #3 on: January 11, 2007, 10:22:57 AM »
I don't think it's rude for your 2 y.o. to look at others in a restaurant.  Honestly, I can't imagine there's anything you can do to stop her.  Think about how many new and exciting things there are for a little one to see.  So many people talking and laughing.  Shiny things everywhere.  I have a hard time myself not looking around and staring at everyone else.

I suppose if you and your dh actively engage your dd in conversation to keep her attention focused, you might be able to keep her eyes on you and your table for a limited amount of time.  But, in my experience, nothing will be more attention grabbing than what's going on in the restaurant around her.  As she gets older, she'll naturally become more focused on what's right in front of her.  Til then ... not much you can do.

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« Reply #4 on: January 11, 2007, 10:29:17 AM »
May I interject here?  Once my son and I went out to UNO's for pizza.  The little girl (about 2) at the next table was so enthralled by my son.  She kept looking and looking at him.  He didn't mind and I thought it was funny.

When we had to leave, I apologized to her for taking him away.

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« Reply #5 on: January 11, 2007, 10:34:52 AM »
I'm sort of wondering how we got into a world where there would even be a question about whether looking is rude when much of our society sees not making eye contact as rude.

And I don't think a toddler who is looking over the booth is rude.  He's exploring his world.  It's not something I let my child do because I don't particularly want him standing on furniture, but a pop-in visit with a little look or a smile is fine by me.

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« Reply #6 on: January 11, 2007, 10:50:05 AM »
Agree with the last post.  "Choose your battles".  It isn't worth your energy to focus on this one.

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« Reply #7 on: January 11, 2007, 10:57:35 AM »
I can see where standing on a booth is rude.  But staring at other diners (especially if you're NOT in a booth)- even if the toddler is twisted around- is kind of a given.  My thoughts are it depends on what sort of restaurant you're in.

We regularly take Ducklet to a place that really caters to kids, although it's a "grownup" place in that they wait on you and you can actually get wine or beer.  A lot of parents take kids there- it's a great place to begin teaching restaurant manners (especially since they're very accommodating about "to go"!).  It's a local place, with a train running around the top border of the dining room.  Naturally, Ducklet twists every which way to see the train, the people, whatever.  I try to keep him from bothering other people, but if he's watching quietly... well, sorry.  I can't help that. 

I don't think kids should be allowed to rule the world, obviously.  But there are places- and not just fast food- that people have to accept kids will be there.  Places like Max & Erma's, Friendly's, Applebees... those sorts of family restaurants are "kid friendly."  If a young child is acting up, that's not acceptable.  But if a person really can't handle a two year old at the next table watching them quietly, they should either ask to have a different table or go to a place that's more adult oriented.  People are fascinating to a toddler, and that's something you really can't change.

That said, I do think older children should be taught it's impolite to stare at other diners.  But a very young child who simply doesn't have that sort of attention span needs to be granted some leeway!
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Re: Is looking rude?
« Reply #8 on: January 11, 2007, 11:01:47 AM »
And is it rude if a child is looking at you, but staying put in their seat and not trying to speak/interact with you?

I certainly hope not because I'm not a child and yet I am a looker  ;D. I enjoy people watching and a restuarant is a perfect place to do so. I dont stare or make faces (at least I hope I'm not!) but I definately look. How do you not check our your surroundings?

FWIW I dont think anything your daughter is doing is innapropriate. Heck I commend you for having a two year old who stays seated thru dinner.

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« Reply #9 on: January 11, 2007, 11:11:05 AM »
It took only one mildly sore bottom and sitting in the car until everyone finished eating dinner for her to learn that we do not leave the table at the restaurant unless mommy and daddy have okayed it.  I have no problem removing her if she becomes a nuisance and I'm glad she understands that too.  FWIW I can't stand when children are running around a restaurant (minus the ones that provide happy meals).  It's a restaurant not a playground (except in those cases where it is a playground) and I expect my children and other people's children to act like it.

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« Reply #10 on: January 11, 2007, 11:31:06 AM »
Just looking? No, that's not rude - everyone, even adults, has a natural tendency to look around at their surroundings. I do think staring is rude, and being stared at makes me uncomfortable. I don't try to stop my children from looking around, but they do know it is rude to stare or point at people, and that it is absolutely against our rules to make loud comments about others.

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« Reply #11 on: January 11, 2007, 11:43:57 AM »
looking at other people is not rude AT ALL. it's called people watching, and is quite fun. Staring at people is rude; however, so if you are worried thatyour 4 year old is staring, try teaching her to look quickly. Rather than staring at the lady woth the funny had for 10 minutes, after a minute or so you can make mention of the hat and then say "now look at this over here!" and point out something else of interest. Of course make surethat all of the comments you make are quiet and positive... "Are you looking at that lady's hat? what a pretty color! Now look at the man in the red shirt, don't you think he looks a little like uncle john? check out that picture on the wall, what do you think is the nicest thing about it?" etc...

Also, by looking at things as well as people, she may find something more interesting to stare at.


-posted by a dedicated people watcher

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Re: Is looking rude?
« Reply #12 on: January 11, 2007, 12:03:28 PM »
Sometimes other diners try to interact with her, which I'd prefer they didn't (means less eating happens) - but it's never a big deal. 

I'm sorry!!  I always smile and wave at little ones I see watching me in a restaurant.  I try not to actively engage them or take their attention away from dinner, but they're usually just so darn cute.  As you can see, it doesn't bother me a bit.  She's quiet, she's interested, and she's not pointing.  Don't stress yourself out.  I doubt many people will consider you a bad parent or your DD a bad child because she watches people.  And if they do, well... you probably don't want her learning manners from them anyway. 

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« Reply #13 on: January 11, 2007, 12:32:17 PM »
Don't apologize please.  Before having a kid, I always loved to smile back at them too and I would never fault you for it.  I think as long as your not encouraging them to get up or anything like that then you shouldn't even give it a second thought.  It's nice to see people who are interested in curious well behaved children and more often than not people like you wind up making DD's meal. 

With a 2 year old it's just so hard to make her do what I want her to.  It's very easy to make her stop doing something or distract her, but we're trying.  I'm glad most people don't find the quiet looking too disruptive.  We try to keep it to a minimum, but it happens.  FWIW I have no problem disciplining DD, but I do feel kinda monstrous when I get frustrated because I have to keep telling her to turn around because she's curious.

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« Reply #14 on: January 11, 2007, 12:46:50 PM »
On the rare occasion when the mood seems right from both me AND the parents, I'll actually tell the child to turn back to mommy/daddy/table.  Usually with a comment that I can see their dinner and I don't want them to get in trouble.  Smile at the kid, smile at the parents, and then turn away so that Mom and Dad can do their job. 

And from the sounds of it, I'd love to sit in the next booth from you and your family.  Because sometimes those smiles make my dinner too. :D