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Re: Bad students-for anyone who teaches
« Reply #15 on: January 12, 2007, 03:27:08 PM »
I occasionally teach courses at the college level. Classes started this week, and I'm having difficulty getting students to speak up. Finally, a student raises a hand. Great! Or so I thought..."Ummm, so, like, did you mean to put a test on X-day (day that students traditionally take to the streets at 5am to drink all day long)?" Um, so, like, no, it wasn't intentional, but you can darn well bet I'm not changing it just so that you can go get sloshed with your buddies! And yes, you will be asked to leave the exam if you show up drunk.

Grumble, grumble. Did the student honestly expect me to say, "Oh, gosh! Golly gee! I'm so sorry I scheduled academic work on the day that you're supposed to be out getting completely smashed and engaging in vandalism and debauchery. Thank you for bringing that to my attention. I'll shift the entire semester's well-planned schedule so that we have no test on that day!"

I tried to be as polite as possible in my response to the student, but I was slurring and drooling a bit as my jaw was dragging on the floor.
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Re: Bad students-for anyone who teaches
« Reply #16 on: January 12, 2007, 08:07:13 PM »
Anyways, I was just giving her daughter these grades and it was something I CHOSE to do, and her daughter was a straight A student and I was stupid.  I was so mad.  GRRRRR. 

I've had this problem with a few students. One in particular kept complaining that she failed the assignment because I didn't like her. I sat down with her and explained that she failed because her assignment didn't meet any of the requirements. She didn't buy it; she was convinced that I failed her because I didn't like her. At parent-teacher night, her mother supported me which was nice.

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Re: Bad students-for anyone who teaches
« Reply #17 on: January 12, 2007, 08:16:40 PM »
Belle, you teach at ISU?


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Re: Bad students-for anyone who teaches
« Reply #18 on: January 12, 2007, 08:27:32 PM »
Belle, you teach at ISU?


Indiana? Nope, although I am at a mid-sized, midwestern university. Is that where your dad taught? Absolutely beautiful area, if that's where you're from.

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Re: Bad students-for anyone who teaches
« Reply #19 on: January 12, 2007, 10:14:31 PM »
I occasionally teach courses at the college level. Classes started this week, and I'm having difficulty getting students to speak up. Finally, a student raises a hand. Great! Or so I thought..."Ummm, so, like, did you mean to put a test on X-day (day that students traditionally take to the streets at 5am to drink all day long)?" Um, so, like, no, it wasn't intentional, but you can darn well bet I'm not changing it just so that you can go get sloshed with your buddies! And yes, you will be asked to leave the exam if you show up drunk.

Grumble, grumble. Did the student honestly expect me to say, "Oh, gosh! Golly gee! I'm so sorry I scheduled academic work on the day that you're supposed to be out getting completely smashed and engaging in vandalism and debauchery. Thank you for bringing that to my attention. I'll shift the entire semester's well-planned schedule so that we have no test on that day!"

I tried to be as polite as possible in my response to the student, but I was slurring and drooling a bit as my jaw was dragging on the floor.

At my school, a lot of the profs actually DO schedule around our traditional party week. I couldn't believe it my first year when tests actually got changed because of little 500 (big bike race at Indiana University, where I go)

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« Reply #20 on: January 12, 2007, 10:15:19 PM »
It didn't happen to me but...

I was doing my first practicum (a class where you observed a teacher for 40 hours and then had occasional meetings to discuss your experiences) and some students put glue into a substitute teacher's drink. I don't know what happened to them, since I finished my hours that same week.

Then this past year (I've been teaching for two) some students put hand sanitizer in a teacher's drink. The teacher drank some but realized something was wrong. Last I heard charges were being pressed. The teacher was fine which was good.

It's not that rare a thing I guess. Taught me to never leave my drinks where the kids could see, but they all seem to like me even when they don't like my class. Even when I write them up I get a happy "Hey Ms. P!" the next time I see them.

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Re: Bad students-for anyone who teaches
« Reply #21 on: January 12, 2007, 10:18:40 PM »
Belle, I was referring to another midwestern state.

You are confusing me with someone else, as my dad worked in a factory.
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Re: Bad students-for anyone who teaches
« Reply #22 on: January 12, 2007, 11:50:15 PM »
Grumble, grumble. Did the student honestly expect me to say, "Oh, gosh! Golly gee! I'm so sorry I scheduled academic work on the day that you're supposed to be out getting completely smashed and engaging in vandalism and debauchery. Thank you for bringing that to my attention. I'll shift the entire semester's well-planned schedule so that we have no test on that day!"

You know what's funny?  At my school, something like that wouldn't be so far-fetched....and not just the student asking either, but the prof accommodating it.

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Re: Bad students-for anyone who teaches
« Reply #23 on: January 13, 2007, 12:05:04 AM »
One in particular kept complaining that she failed the assignment because I didn't like her.

When I first started teaching I had to reprimand a boy who kept. on. talking. no matter what we were doing in class. He then told me that I was obviously a racist and was only reprimanding him because he was black.

No, honey. I'm reprimanding you because you're naughty. Please note the other 20 black kids in the class? I didn't reprimand any of them because they can actually BEHAVE!!

Grr.  >:(


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« Reply #24 on: January 13, 2007, 12:42:46 AM »
I've never been a teacher, but I'm sure that there are students who are absolutely terrible.
Any stories?

I've only ever had three kids that I really couldn't deal with.

One kid was from only my third year of teaching, when I was very young and green. He was one of those kids whose parents (well, mother) thought he could do no wrong. She had taught him that he was better than everybody and didn't have to listen to anyone. He was a Muslim, so he would sit in Bible Ed. periods (we still had those then) talking loudly, banging on the desk, etc. Then we were told the Muslim kids had to sit outside during Bible Ed. and of course they created chaos outside, with him being the ringleader. One day it got too much and I told him I wanted his "blue file" (it was a personal file where their behaviour records were kept - we used blue cardboard folders) and he came into my desk, yelled, "Here!!" into my face, threw it onto the desk, and stomped out. I called the Vice Principal, who reprimanded him. The next day, his mother was there, screaming at the VP that she wanted to see "that rude, useless b-word" who'd dared to reprimand her child. The VP refused to let her anywhere near me.

The next year when Bratlet was in my Geography class, he would create such chaos I couldn't teach. He had NO work in his book even though I diligently gave out notes and put work on the board despite them screaming and shouting in the background. His mother blamed me (and I guess I was to blame for not seeking support, but whenever we had problems with kids our principal would say we had to solve it ourselves) and the principal actually said, "You must get his book in order." I was so introverted then that I usually didn't say anything, but I stood up to him and said, "I refuse to do that. He's the one who disrupted my class; he must catch up himself."

When Bratlet went to high school he made a racist remark to a black child (Bratlet was Cape Malay/Coloured) and the black child beat him up. I wish I could say I felt no satisfaction, but I did. The next year during a rugby match Bratlet jumped on a kid's head and broke his jaw, and Bratlet and his mother were sued, and the broken jaw kid won, and Bratlet's mother had to pay $$$. Oh sweet revenge by proxy.

I had another child a few years later who I swear was possessed. I used to say, "If you throw holy water on that kid, he'll start fizzing." He gave me the absolute creeps. Just thinking of his cold, dead eyes gives me chills. He was such a handful that even his mother couldn't deal with him and used to periodically ship him off to live with his father (they were divorced). His sister wasn't much better - she got pregnant at the age of 14 - her mother used to let her do what she liked, buy her inappropriate clothes, let her drink, etc.

The third child was just a naughty little you-know-what. He hated me for some reason and used to misbehave all the time. Eventually I got fed up and made him sit in the Head of Department's class, and I just sent the work there. Otherwise he was so disruptive I couldn't get anything done, but again, I was told, "Sort him out yourself." Talking to his parents didn't help; I tried that.

This year I have a kid in my class who is known for being a troublemaker. Last year he spent most of the time on the corridor because no teacher could put up with him for more than ten minutes. So I keep him busy by sending him on messages and giving him things to do. He still misbehaves, but much less than he used to. I'll keep you posted about him, since school only started this week!

My friend has been a public-school elementary teacher for about 25 years now.  She has her share of difficult students, but among the worst are some of the resident-foreign ones.  They pay big $$$ to be educated in Canada.

The problem is that in some of these cultures, the first-born son is the prince and can do no wrong.  Now, to be in on the foreign-student program, these kids do have to be living here with one parent - usually the mother.  But it's pointless to be trying to politely relate behavioural problems to the mother.  Even if she speaks English adequately (she often does) she just can't understand what the problem is?  If little Mike says his pencil is too short and he can't possibly write with it, why then, jump up and get him a replacement!

Naturally, most immigrant-students are not like this at all.  But there are some who indeed come with a sense of entitlement, and since what they pay is several-times what a "resident" student gets from the provincial government, no one wants to rock the boat.

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« Reply #25 on: January 13, 2007, 03:11:27 AM »
I taught a semester at an alternate school for high school kids with behavior disorders. We filed *10* police reports (2 of them for assault) on only 70 kids in that one semester. I was one of the ones who filed an assault report, for a girl who kept punching at me to see me flinch and then actually hit me in the eye. Didn't hurt, but the second she touched me, I pressed charges.

There was this one kid--let's call him J. This is more pathetic than anything, but when you work at a place like that, ANY story that's vaguely funny makes everyone laugh. You need that release.

J was very, very bright. He was also a pain the butt. He did not like me and I tried to be very reasonable with him--he wanted personal space, so I gave him his arm's length. He then began insisting that the "correct" personal space was his arm length plus my arm length. From that far away, I couldn't even see was he was doing!

Anyway, we were working very hard on keeping him in my class and not sending him down to "redirection". As a reward when he was good in my classes, he got to go visit one of the redirection "guards", a woman named Cindy that he had a huge crush on, and spend five social minutes with her. Cindy quite liked J too, and was the ONLY one who could get through to him. One day he had been great in English class, so I sent him down for seven minutes. He was supposed to be back in my room for Biology after the break, and time came and went, and he didnt' return. I called the office and they said he wouldn't be returning. I assumed he'd had a problem with Willie, the other redirection teacher, and needed to cool off. I let it go and dealt with some of my "other" favorite kids.

That night, Cindy came into my room and told me the real truth. She'd taken J to his locker because she said she would help him with some other homework. He was digging through his messy locker for his books and he said to Cindy, "Hold this" and handed her a bag of weed! Of course she had to report him, and he was taken to jail, another one of the police reports.

On a funnier note, J once was avoiding getting on his bus at the end of the school day. He always wore a pair of sweat pants over a pair of jeans, because the rule at the school was your boxers had to be completely covered, and that way he could still wear his sweat pants barely above his knees. Willie and two other big guys were chasing J, who was having a lot of fun, until his pants slipped down around his ankles. He tripped and sprawled out face down in the gravel. The two other teachers who observed this and I couldn't help laughing at him.


We had a lot of other fun at that job. Another one of the students in my caseload, N, was talking about one of the younger teachers at the job. We were VERY well paid at that job, and a second year teacher bought a new, very nice car. The kids all oohed and ahhed over it. N was suspicious, though, and said that he thought that this teacher must have had a second job, since teachers weren't that well paid. I asked him what kind of job, and he said, "I think she pole dances."



My other job involved elementary students with mental impairments, so any of their "naughty" moments were more forgivable and I loved them all dearly.

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Re: Bad students-for anyone who teaches
« Reply #26 on: January 13, 2007, 06:21:19 AM »
I'm not a teacher, but this is a kid who made life hell for one of my teachers.

This was in year 2 and the young boy was Muslim. He lived in my street and the father was a pig (when his wife died he brough out his 13 year old cousin and tried to marry her. The authorities refused and tried to have her removed. He got her pregenant and they ended up letting him marry her) His boys were taught that they were kings and us Aussie girls/women were not to be resepcted. He gave my poor teacher hell. Spat on her, was constantly hurting the girls when her back was turned. She ended up slapping him one day (and I know she feels guilty about it to this day) The father tried to have her fired, but not one kid (and remember this was seven year olds) saw anything. (all the kids, having gone home that night and told our parents, were advised by our parents not to tell anyone else. Probably not the right thing, but I know my parents felt desperatly sorry for her)

After that year, the school made sure the kid was in a class with a male teacher, mainly for the females (students and teachers) protection. Thankfully, in high school he got sent to a religious school, as it could have been quite nasty as he got old enough to *really* hurt people. Why he wasn't expelled I'll never know.

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Re: Bad students-for anyone who teaches
« Reply #27 on: January 13, 2007, 10:01:13 AM »
His boys were taught that they were kings and us Aussie girls/women were not to be resepcted.

I had a kid like this many years ago. He came from a Muslim religious school, so he thought female teachers could be shouted at, talked back to, etc. The only way to get him to behave was to humiliate the cr*p out of him. Which we all did until he learned NOT to shout back when reprimanded, etc. I wish I could say I feel the least bit sorry about doing that, but you know, I don't. He started it, juvenile as that sounds.

I had the opportunity recently to view how kids treat teachers of different religions. I was on the corridor for some reason while the kids were lining up for Hymn Singing (we still have that here - we don't have secular schooling so much as schooling that respects all religions) and the Muslim kids were with some female teachers that came in for that period. Well, they were running around, screaming, shouting back at these poor women. I said, "GET into the class RIGHT NOW!" and they all went in - the poor Muslim teacher had been yelling at them for 5 minutes and they'd just ignored her. But me, wearing jeans (it was a Friday), Crocs and a T-shirt, they listened to. Hmmm.


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