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Re: Underacheiving son... letter to the teachers (LONG)
« Reply #45 on: January 12, 2007, 07:48:31 PM »
I'm a teacher

1. Do you have a copy of your school district's grading policy? We are required to contact parents after 3 weeks if a child's grade is below a 78%. After that point we are required to contacts parents' if the grade falls/stays below 78% or if it drops 10 points. So if you had a 98% on your 1st six weeks report card if you have 88% or lower your parents get a progress report. (Oh I think 3 grades have to be taken in a new grading period - I'm Tech and don't give grades myself this year) Also, we can't send work that is to be graded home it has to be completed during school hours under staff supervision because of cheating parents. (Not you - but this is the problem)

2. Our 5Th grade teachers have about 100 kids (departmentalized so 4 teachers share them). Parents get phone calls and letters constantly. We can not send grade information via email because email can be obtained by freedom of information requests, so emailing grades is considered violating privacy. We can email please call me re: your child's name. (I might have the actually law wrong, but certain watchdog groups have asked for school emails to prove electioneering going on during school time. I'm not sure of the status of the case)

3. Why are you not seeing graded work? Is your son ditching it, or are they not turning it back.

4. In addition to your son's homework agenda (we do the same for all our kids). Could he keep a log sheet of his grades? He would be required to record the grades and the teacher maybe initial. He could keep track of his over all average. It might be that he can't put all the pieces together and see how each assignment (especially missed ones) effect his average.

5. Chores at home - break them down into bite size pieces. Being unable to organize physical spaces is considered a symptom of GT. Your son might not see the steps between dirty dishes and clean dishes. Cleaning up my room was a nightmare when I was a kid. My scientist mother would organize my Room with a place for everything, but I couldn't figure out how to put it back together. Another technique might be a race the clock thing. How many dishes can you clean correctly (make this point clear detail correctly) in X minutes? Earnint privileges sound like a good idea also.

6. It sounds like your son might need a strict routine. You do x then y then z each day. Morning, Afterschool, evening.

7. The notebook. I would say take 5 min each night (set a timer) and he organizes what he can within that time frame. Once a week for a disorganized mind might just be overwhelming.

8. Our councilor has a new book with intervention strategies for kids that might have an LD. These are for use before referring to a student study. Disorganization is a big problem with LD's and it has a ton of ideas for helping kids organize their physical and mental space - I could get the name of the book from her - you could probably get a copy through Inter Library Loan if your Public Library doesn't have it. Let me know if you want the name.

9. Your son is what 11 or 12 - he should be in on writing the plan otherwise he will see it as something imposed on him. How to involve him that depends so much on the personalities it would be hard to say.

10. Call/email regularly to check on your son's progress.

11. How much sleep does your son get everynight? Check with the doctor to make sure it is enough. For some stages in development 8 hours isn't enough

12. Maybe your son and you both could use a 3rd party to talk to? Or could he keep a feeling's journal

13. This going to sound cruel so read to the end. Set your son up to "Fail". GT kids sometimes see anything short of perfection as failure, and they can't handle it. In your son's case it sounds like having to actually learn something is a failure in his head. He is smart, he is GT, He should just Get IT. When he can't just Get It - then he would rather fail than make an effort. Get him  in a fun situation were he isn't going to just get it, but the fun will motivate him to try again. We have 3rd grader that a game on primary games with this bike he has to control has done wonders. He couldn't do it but was motivated to try. Then we said, well if you do X then you can go to Ms. Herberts room from 2:15 - 2:30 to play the game. He started to do things that were difficult to earn the time. Then he discovered that if he had to try twice at his reading worksheet - the world did not come to an end.

14. Schedule some just fun time for you and son. In this case, I think it is important that it not be taken away for any reason other than an emergency. Talk (not about school), take a walk, play a board game, shoot hoops, anything interactive with each other.

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Re: Underacheiving son... letter to the teachers (LONG)
« Reply #46 on: January 12, 2007, 08:20:47 PM »
Have you considered that your son may have inattentive ADD?  I was also a smart underachiever as a kid.  Never disciplined myself to have good study skills either and I had (have) a hard time staying on task, organized or remembering things. I was and still am a day dreamer.  I'm a regular scatterbrained slob and a moderately successful engineer/nerd.  I just found out I have inattentive ADD.  Think of it as the quiet form or ADD.  If he has it then you can work on strategies to "work around" it.  Try a brief internet search, I believe you can get the school to test him if it seems applicable.   

If that's not it then you might need to try and make him more responsible for his actions.  He's smarter than the average 5th grader and I think he should begin to be more responsible for not completing work, etc.  Of course my kid is only 2 1/2 so I'm not sure how the heck you manage that. ???

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Re: Underacheiving son... letter to the teachers (LONG)
« Reply #47 on: January 12, 2007, 09:37:12 PM »
So I may be a sleep-deprived lurker, but as a former gifted but lazy student, I'll offer two ideas:

When I was in my 6th grade lazy bent, my mother ended up having conferences with my teachers with me present to discuss my progress and shortcomings. Since I was definitely obscuring the teacher-to-parent communications more than I was helping them, having both parties in one room with me forced me to be honest with all parties quickly. The first couple times, it felt excruciating and humiliating. That was motivating when being grounded or having things taken away was not.

I'm not sure if you've had a sit-down with your son where you honestly ask him if he wants to do well in school and if he's happy cutting off all the opportunities that good grades will offer. It sounds like it's more gratifying right now for him to get you riled up than to get good grades. Attention for negative behavior is still attention. At some point, my parents said, "Look, if you've resigned yourself to mediocrity, there's nothing we can do. It's your life, and if you want to have the opportunities of an average Joe when you leave school instead of the greater ones you are capable of, that's your choice. But you are making that choice every time you don't complete an assignment." Then they stopped going ballistic every time I didn't hand something in (mostly) and would say, "Hey, it's your choice." Quiet disappointment was more motivating than fire and action plans.

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Re: Underacheiving son... letter to the teachers (LONG)
« Reply #48 on: January 12, 2007, 09:58:22 PM »
Someone upthread mentioned that gifted students are often very disorganized.  That's totally me, so I did some googling, and eventually found this link about Visual-Spatial learners.  It sounds a lot like the OP's son.  And it might be why some of us reacted so earnestly to this thread, because we recognize ourselves in the OP's little boy.

http://www.gifteddevelopment.com/Visual_Spatial_Learner/vsl.htm

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Re: Underacheiving son... letter to the teachers (LONG)
« Reply #49 on: January 13, 2007, 02:00:26 AM »
Hi! I was another GT student, and although I did 99% of my homework through the years, I was one of those kids who gave up whenever anything was a little bit too hard. Some of the things said about GT kids are/were true about me--disorganized (to this day!), did as little as possible to get by, unable to clean up without having someone break it into steps for me.

I was a VERY difficult child. Like your son, I didn't care when most things were taken away--because I knew they'd come back eventually. I could handle no tv or computer for a week, because, hey, it was a week! Or a month? I still had my books, because my parents never wanted to discourage me from reading. Getting me to "properly" do chores was a total chore for my parents and now I am a messy person partly because I associate cleaning with punishment.


My parents NEVER checked my homework. Not even when I was was in elementary school. It was my homework, and therefore my responsibility. I had more than one occasion when I woke up in the middle of the night realizing that I had not completed an assignment, and desperately finished social studies or reading assignments at 4 am! Of course, my school was not on top of it either--we didn't have required planners until high school, and then you didn't have to use them. It was 100% our responsibility to make sure that we were doing our own work.

I also realize that this was during the era when kids were actually held back. Other than the great kindergarten hold-back (when the "born by" date for starting kindergarten was changed from November 1 for the class of 1999 to September 1 for the class of 2000, and a good number of the kids I went to kindergarten with repeated kindergarten because they were "too young"), I only knew two kids who actually stayed in a grade for two years. For many kids, the threat of having to do 6th grade twice and not going to middle school with your friends was enough to make them do their work.

As sad as it sounds, it may be time to step back and let your son fail. Here's my idea: Set him an ultimatum, such as the one you said earlier (one F on this report card, and you're leaving this program, mid year--much more embarrassing than quietly switching at the end of the school year). Encourage him to do his homework in a positive, but hands-off way--"Let me know if you need any help," "Do you want to do your work before or after you have a snack?," "Want some help organizing your notes?" And then just hold him responsible for his actions. Check up on him with a few weeks to go, and if he's at risk of failing, let him know that, remind him of the consequences and offer to help him get it right. And if he flunks...he'll learn that a) it's not the end of the world and/or b) his actions sometimes have serious consequences.


I hope you find something that works for you and your son. FWIW, if taking away/having to earn fun stuff isn't working, I think that you should let that go, and encourage him to have fun sometimes...after his homework is done, of course.



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Re: Underacheiving son... letter to the teachers (LONG)
« Reply #50 on: January 13, 2007, 11:40:44 AM »
If he were my son, I'd want him to have a comprehensive educational psych work-up.  I would do this privately (where people are on your nickle) rather than through the schools, but it's just my experience that you get what you pay for in this sort of thing. Ask some of the other GT parents or get a reference from his pediatrician or a local children's hospital. 

I think that might be a start to understanding his true deficits and strengths.  It's hard to know exactly what strategies you should be using if you don't understand the complete picture of his needs and abilities.  This should be something that takes place over a number of visits (2-3) -- it shouldn't be quick-n-dirty.  His educational future and even his career are on the line. 

There may be some things that come out of that work-up that lead you to want to pursue other special services at school besides GT.  At that point, the school will (hopefully) do their own work-up and maybe you'll be able to come to some agreement about services and strategies that benefit him. 

The educational psych might also be able to guide you to tutors who understand his learning style and can help you help him with homework issues.


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Re: Underacheiving son... letter to the teachers (LONG)
« Reply #51 on: January 13, 2007, 04:10:00 PM »
I was also somewhat above average throughout elementary and high school, except when I got to high school, I found myself increasingly struggling with "left-brain" subjects, especially math (this was partially because of Mr. Graham, the horrible math teacher I had who completely destroyed my confidence, but that's a whole other story).  Anyway, I had a tutor, but I only saw her once a week, and in the interim, my parents would have to help me with my math homework.  With my mom, it was fine, because she'd always trick me into understanding the work by getting me to explain to her the parts that I *did* understand (because she was even worse at math than I was), but my dad's always been good at math, so he'd go over and over it with me, and insist on making me re-do my homework over and over again until it was PERFECT (even assignments that I'd already completed), and when I didn't understand, or wanted to just be allowed to finish it on my own and go do something else (like play my clarinet, for example,) he'd tell me I was "stupid" and "lazy."  Once, he got really angry and yelled "You don't have a F***ing clue what you're doing!!!!"; when I didn't understand a particularly difficult assignment.  He'd even go through my backpack and my books to look over my math, and then he'd yell at me if I'd made mistakes or not finished something, even if it was something I was planning to ask Mr. Graham, my tutor, my mom, or an older student for help with later.  Sometimes, my parents threatened to take away my music if I didn't finish my math, but they never actually followed through, because they didn't want to deprive me of something that I liked and was good at.....but it sure made me resent them, because it was my mother who had insisted that I take music in the first place, so I thought it was hypocritical for her to threaten to take it away once I started enjoying it. 

Anyway, what am I saying?  Oh yeah.......Flkwmn, it sounds like your son isn't really responding to having fun things taken away, so maybe that's not the way to go.  Maybe the best thing to do would be to do the exact opposite, and show him that learning can be fun sometimes.  For example, instead of saying "You can't go anywhere until you finish your homework," you could take him to various places that are educational, but also fun, in order to get him motivated.  For example, if he has to write a report on an animal, you could take him to the zoo, or if he's learning about art history, you could take him to an art museum to look at paintings......better yet if they have classes for young people where he could actually try imitating the styles of his favourite artists.  If you can't afford that, public libraries have programs for kids of all ages that they can participate in for cheap or free.  Oh, and I don't know if you have something like this where you live, but we have the Ontario Science Centre in Toronto, which is about an hour or so from my parents' house.  It's an interactive museum where kids can learn about various forms of science through experimentation.  For example, to teach about static electricity, there's a giant electrostatic ball that you can put your hands on, and it makes your hair stand on end.  Your son would probably find that much more engaging and fun than simply being told "Read chapter 3 in your science book and answer the questions about static electricity," and it'd probably be well worth whatever a day's admission to the museum costs now.  Hell, buy a season's pass if you want, then you can take your son as many times as you want for a flat rate.

I'm not saying that these field trips should replace your son doing his homework, it's really all in how you structure it.  For example, instead of saying "If you finish your report for Mrs. Blahblah, we'll go to the zoo," or "We're going to the zoo, but as SOON as we get home, you have to write that report for Mrs. Blahblah!!!"; or worse yet, not saying anything, but forcing him to do the homework upon return from the zoo without having made any prior agreement, you could say, "Hey, Son, I saw in your planner that your class is doing animal reports for science class.  Any idea what animal you want to do?  Boa constrictors?  That sounds like fun, how about we go to the zoo this weekend and visit the reptile house?  We'll take the digital camera, and then when we get home, we can print the pictures up on the computer, and you can write a photo essay about what you learned."  I know this isn't always possible (I think math will always be torture for some kids, no matter what), but when it is possible, go for it.

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Re: Underacheiving son... letter to the teachers (LONG)
« Reply #52 on: January 14, 2007, 07:45:17 PM »
Well, I'm going to offer a completely alternative theory (and hope you can stand a little Devil's Advocate), but have you considered the problem might be that your son isn't as gifted as you and the school district thinks he is?

(Before you bring out the torches and pitchforks, please let me elaborate.)  I work at a major university, doing graduate studies.  To the outside world I'm considered an 'intelligent person' but when you get out toward the end of the bell curve, the heirarchy of ability gets pretty steep.  Being in the thick of it, I can see the different levels of talent, ability, focus and overall intelligence more than outsiders who aren't in it.  Outside of the ivory tower we all must look pretty smart, but from the inside, it's a bit more clear who the great minds are who are just getting by.  Could it be that your son is a big fish in the regular school, but in the pool of extremely gifted, he just can't keep up, and that's why he's falling behind?  His behavior, which you explain as 'gifted, but lazy' is not very different from students in regular schools who just can't keep up and give up.   

I'm not doubting that your son is intelligent, but you have mentioned multiple times how exclusive and exceptional this program is.  It might be too weakly structured an environment, it might be too mature for him, or it might just be too difficult for him and he would benefit from something more suited to his whole (academic and motivational) abilities.

The reason I mention this is because your point of view reminds me of how my aunt and uncle talk about one of my cousins.  His parents are convinced he is 'extremely gifted' and other kids at his regular school are convinced he is a genius.  He is certainly smarter than his parents, which unfortunately gives them little insight into judging his abilities.  (Yes, I know that cuts both ways.)  This was illustrated quite clearly when all 6 cousins got together for a holiday after many years apart, and 'Genius' cousin (age 12 or so) was shocked that his older cousins (me, about 26 and other cousin, about 16) could have a typical conversation (for us) using words he had never heard.  (None of the other people in his life, adult or otherwise, had talked above his level of comprehension for years).  My other cousin pointed out to him that this was because 'he had never had competition before' and he was right on target.  In his own small pond, 'Genius' cousin was the smartest person he knew (and yes, the kid is sharp, I was able to talk to him in a simplified manner about my graduate research), but once outside it, it was clear that while gifted, he was not the next Albert Einstein.  While he complains about being 'bored' in public school, he displays no indications of the 'extreme gifts' that would justify special schooling beyond normal enrichment.

I also see the same phenomenon in my work at the university.  Students can 'talk the talk' about how intelligent they are, and become outraged when they discover that is nothing special in a sea of 'intelligent people.'  Some of the work I've seen has been truly abyssmal, and while most of it is clearly student laziness, I'm sure there is a significant fraction who have fail to perform simply because they cannot keep up with peers and give up.


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Re: Underacheiving son... letter to the teachers (LONG)
« Reply #53 on: January 14, 2007, 11:47:18 PM »
Well, I'm going to offer a completely alternative theory (and hope you can stand a little Devil's Advocate), but have you considered the problem might be that your son isn't as gifted as you and the school district thinks he is?

(Before you bring out the torches and pitchforks, please let me elaborate.)  I work at a major university, doing graduate studies.  To the outside world I'm considered an 'intelligent person' but when you get out toward the end of the bell curve, the heirarchy of ability gets pretty steep.  Being in the thick of it, I can see the different levels of talent, ability, focus and overall intelligence more than outsiders who aren't in it.  Outside of the ivory tower we all must look pretty smart, but from the inside, it's a bit more clear who the great minds are who are just getting by.  Could it be that your son is a big fish in the regular school, but in the pool of extremely gifted, he just can't keep up, and that's why he's falling behind?  His behavior, which you explain as 'gifted, but lazy' is not very different from students in regular schools who just can't keep up and give up.   

I'm not doubting that your son is intelligent, but you have mentioned multiple times how exclusive and exceptional this program is.  It might be too weakly structured an environment, it might be too mature for him, or it might just be too difficult for him and he would benefit from something more suited to his whole (academic and motivational) abilities.

The reason I mention this is because your point of view reminds me of how my aunt and uncle talk about one of my cousins.  His parents are convinced he is 'extremely gifted' and other kids at his regular school are convinced he is a genius.  He is certainly smarter than his parents, which unfortunately gives them little insight into judging his abilities.  (Yes, I know that cuts both ways.)  This was illustrated quite clearly when all 6 cousins got together for a holiday after many years apart, and 'Genius' cousin (age 12 or so) was shocked that his older cousins (me, about 26 and other cousin, about 16) could have a typical conversation (for us) using words he had never heard.  (None of the other people in his life, adult or otherwise, had talked above his level of comprehension for years).  My other cousin pointed out to him that this was because 'he had never had competition before' and he was right on target.  In his own small pond, 'Genius' cousin was the smartest person he knew (and yes, the kid is sharp, I was able to talk to him in a simplified manner about my graduate research), but once outside it, it was clear that while gifted, he was not the next Albert Einstein.  While he complains about being 'bored' in public school, he displays no indications of the 'extreme gifts' that would justify special schooling beyond normal enrichment.

I also see the same phenomenon in my work at the university.  Students can 'talk the talk' about how intelligent they are, and become outraged when they discover that is nothing special in a sea of 'intelligent people.'  Some of the work I've seen has been truly abyssmal, and while most of it is clearly student laziness, I'm sure there is a significant fraction who have fail to perform simply because they cannot keep up with peers and give up.



What about people like me, who have extremely uneven abilities?  While I'm a competent musician, writer, and (developing) artist, I can't do math or music theory to save my life, and I'm a bit disorganized--I often have trouble following my prof's train of thought in music history class.....but I'm still in the process of applying to several advanced music performance programs for grad school. I'm looking into both Diploma programs and straight M.Mus. programs, but I think I'd rather do a Diploma program, because it's more performance-intensive.  But anyway, to make this more relevant, when I was a kid, my parents put me through all kinds of testing, because my left brain was pretty much comatose, but my right brain was off the charts.  Some of the people who administered the testing just put the scores together and told my parents that I was "average," which my parents refused to believe, because if I was "average," then why was I reading the original "Anne of Green Gables" in grade three, and using words that even my teachers didn't understand?

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Re: Underacheiving son... letter to the teachers (LONG)
« Reply #54 on: January 15, 2007, 01:19:08 PM »
Well, I'm going to offer a completely alternative theory (and hope you can stand a little Devil's Advocate), but have you considered the problem might be that your son isn't as gifted as you and the school district thinks he is? Could it be that your son is a big fish in the regular school, but in the pool of extremely gifted, he just can't keep up, and that's why he's falling behind?  I'm not doubting that your son is intelligent, but you have mentioned multiple times how exclusive and exceptional this program is.  It might be too weakly structured an environment, it might be too mature for him, or it might just be too difficult for him and he would benefit from something more suited to his whole (academic and motivational) abilities.

I think this is a good point. It made me remember a graduate school nursing professor I had. Her daughter was in a prestigious special high school that had a loosely structured gifted curriculum. the daughter was not doing well, and professor and her husband (also a professor) thought she was not applying herself. Finally, when she was about 16, they did pursue testing. Turns out this intelligent young woman had some mild LD issues and her learning style was such that she would benefit from an educational program with lots of structure. I remember my professor telling me how guilty she felt after pushing her daughter to be in this gifted high school for years, and struggling, when the way the school was set up was absolutely the worst fit with her learning style.
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« Reply #55 on: January 15, 2007, 07:28:33 PM »
I work at a university and have been surrounded by a lot of gifted people. I have also met several people who love their work, but aren't that "smart". I've met a lot of people who are both. Currently, I am working with some of the best researchers in the world. When getting into in depth talks, I'm constantly surprised at how "un bright" some of them are. They struggle with concepts as well. However, the truely bright are not lazy. They will think through a problem until they figure it out. They do fabulous research by thinking through things. This is more important than quickly getting the right answer.

At this point, if you don't have self motivation, there is utterly no point in being here. In fact no-one I've met at the upper levels (Master's, PhD etc..) has coasted. It's really not possible (a few have tried)

I also interact with first year undergrads and some of them crash and burn in the absence of parental pressure, despite having huge potential.

Despite my love for the university, I don't think academics are for everyone. Being gifted doesn't mean you will enjoy school or even that it is the best choice for you.

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Re: Underacheiving son... letter to the teachers (LONG)
« Reply #56 on: January 15, 2007, 07:29:29 PM »
My sister in law teaches HS, and she used to tell stories about a kid she taught with an IQ in the 180s.  This kid was one of the WORST students she ever had!  She hardly ever showed up for class, and when she did, she talked, screamed, threw things, swung on her chair and bothered the other kids (and this was in 11th and 12th grade classes, not kindergarten!)  Because her grades weren't bad, her parents refused to do anything about it.  In the end, they shelled out thousands of dollars to send her to a top college, and she dropped out before she even turned 18!

SIL's take on the subject is that being gifted isn't a guarantee of success, and it's VERY important for parents to make sure their gifted children never get into the habit of coasting, slacking, or assuming they're better than other people.  These kids leave the educational system and end up slapped in the face with a HUGE dose of reality.  In the workforce, there are LOTS of very intelligent people jockeying for top positions, and it's the ones who also have a great work ethic and can relate well to others that get the jobs.  She suggests that parents of underachieving kids should sign them up for sports, competitive activities, and summer jobs, so they begin to realize they CANNOT always be at the top of the pile without even trying.  When they DO start to try and succeed, it builds up their sense of self-worth, and helps with academic problems as well.

Once laziness is already a problem, it's much harder to break the pattern, but it can be done.  Parents don't need to demand 100% perfection at all times.  It's more important to focus on work ethics and personal responsibility than results.  If the kid is gifted, the results will probably be good, as long as effort is put in.

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Re: Underacheiving son... letter to the teachers (LONG)
« Reply #57 on: January 16, 2007, 03:27:35 AM »
I'm not sure if you mentioned it before, but does your son have any goals/jobs he wants to aspire to? I know he's still young, but a lot of kids decide what they want to be when they grow up early on, even if it's sort of unrealistic ("I want to be an astronaut!"). It's still a goal that he'll want to hit.

Can you connect with him in any way? Sit down with him and tell him that you know a lot of the work is boring, might seem irrelevant, etc. But that school (and eventually and ESPECIALLY university) are really forms of discipline to show that you CAN get through workloads. The best realisation I ever came to about university was exactly that - the things I learned there were pretty useless (and let's face it, half the stuff you learn becomes obsolete when you graduate, especially if you work in IT or engineering). But it's the fact that you did sit through boring lectures, you did do all the work, that you can work with people that people are also looking for. That's what my uni degree signified for me, even though I went on to do further study.

(I have the feeling I went a bit off topic here - sorry!)

edit: I guess what I'm trying to say is that if you can convince him that you are on his side, and that it's about showing others how bright he is too, then maybe you can get through to him?
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Re: Underacheiving son... letter to the teachers (LONG)
« Reply #58 on: January 16, 2007, 06:36:51 AM »
Okay, I need your etiquette expertise regarding a letter I just composed to email to my son's teachers en masse.

A little background:

My son is extremely gifted. But he is also lazy. Basically he figured out in elementary school that he could get straight A's and not have to do any work. in 5th grade they finally moved him into our gifted program and there he realized he could get B's and C's without doing any work. Not as good as A's, but I guess he was happy with it since they were easy.

Enter Middle School. Not just Middle School, but Gifted Middle School. Andthe kid who hasn't done any work at school for 3 or 4 years. In this program he can't do that. The classes are on his level, which means he actually has to do the work to learn anything, and if he doesn't do the work, he can't pass the tests and therefore falls behind. And fails. Then he feels awfule for failing and is afraidt o try b/c he feels like he should be able to ace it all without trying like he always has *sigh*

In November I had a meeting with all of his teachers. He was failing pretty much all of his classes b/c of this. I hadn't seen his interim b/c he forged my signature and turned it back in so I was shocked to find out he was failing pretty much everything. By this time he was already too far behind in Math to catch up so they moved him back a level (he started out in 8th grade math, got moved back to 7th grade math). At that time we came up with a bunch of strategies (that are named in my letter so I won't mention them here.)

Basically, I am upset about a few things. The first thing is that my son essentially did NO work for almost 3 months before they contacted me. they let him get so far behind that he was unable to catch up in at least one class before letting me know. IMO, if he wasn't turning in his work, they should have let me know at the latest 3 weeks into the school year so that I could nip it in the bud and get him on track while there was still time. but I don't mention that in my letter b/c it is water under the bridge.

But since our meeting, I have not seen ANY effort from the teachers to keep up thier end of our plans. This really bothers me. Please don't develop a plan with me and then not hold up your end of the bargain! I feel like I have been working my tail off to do what I need to do and that I'm doing it all alone. And it's not doing any good b/c there is only SO much that I can doAT HOME to improve his performance AT SCHOOL. I understand that you have 130 students, but you knew that when you told me you would do these things and you still committed to them.

So... in frustration, I sat down this morning and penned this to email to his teachers (I had to hunt down their email addresses). Please take a look at it and give me your opinions. thank you thank you thank you!!


Good Morning,

I am concerned that there has not been adequate communication regarding DS1’s progress since our meeting in November. In that meeting we came up with several strategies in order to help DS1 succeed in this program. We determined that he should have his planner signed each day by his teachers so that I can make sure he is completing all of his homework. Mrs. E stated that any class work that was not completed would be given to DS1 to complete during ASE (equivalent to study hall). Finally, we determined that each of you would email me prior to interims being released to update me on DS1’s progress so that we could alter the plan if necessary.

I have not heard from any of you since that meeting, so imagine my surprise when DS1’s interim had 4 failing grades.  In addition to that, there was at least one comment on the interim about DS1 not completing and turning in his class work. I’m not sure why that is still an issue since he is supposed to be spending his time in ASE completing any work he did not finish in class. If this is not possible, then please make sure he writes the incomplete class work in his assignment planner so that I can make sure it gets done as homework.

I am working to keep up my end of the bargain, but without regular communication from DS1’s teachers I am out of the loop. I know that we all want to see DS1 succeed in this program, so I’m not sure why I have not been kept up to date with his progress. When I did not receive the email prior to interims I assumed he must have gotten himself back on track. I can’t imagine why, after the meeting we had, I would not have been notified that he was still failing 4 classes and what needs to be done to raise his grades.

Please advise if DS1 has managed to raise his grades since interim time. I would like to know if he has been turning in both homework and class work since interims and if there is some other problem that is keeping his grades down. I would like to know if it is a realistic goal for him to raise his grades between now and the end of the 9 weeks, and what he needs to do in order to accomplish this.


I am sending a copy of this email to Senorita Santiago via her school notes page because I do not have her email address. I look forward to your replies. Thank you for your dedication to J’s success.

Best Regards,
DS1's Mom







Sounds alright to me. If you haven't already sent out the letter,the only thing i would change in grammer,is the part:

'I have not heard from any of you since that meeting, so imagine my surprise when DS1’s interim had 4'

Just change the 'so imagine' to just 'imagine' so that it reads:

'I have not heard from any of you since that meeting, imagine my surprise when DS1’s interim had 4'



Not that im a total expert in English,but to me,it just sounds more 'letter'like then say 'conversation' like.
Just my thoughts though.

Good luck with your son and i really hope the school will include you more and help your son.
As gifted as he sounds..he could be the person to cure AIDS or cancer..yet they are willing to let him fall to the wayside cause its just all to hard?

Good luck!

Clare

Sydney Aust.
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