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Sandi Papaya

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who's hosting this shindig, anyway?
« on: January 13, 2007, 07:54:38 PM »
It's always been my understanding that, unless there is a prior agreement by all parties, if you invite people out to dinner/drinks/etc to celebrate an event, the host(ess) of the event pays.

My 20-year-old cousin (the youngest of the now-adult cousins; the last two are 2 and almost 5) is moving away to a new city to find a job and start school in the fall. Note that this cousin is my cousin June's youngest sister, and this particular branch of the family has taken on June's custom of "celebrating" some event (birthdays, anniversaries, whatever) at a restaurant and having everyone pay their own way. Which is just not cool.

They're celebrating my younger cousin's going-away at some sushi joint next weekend. I'm not particularly fond of sushi and I have no real desire to see or speak to my cousin June anymore after the Christmas debacle, so I'm not going. Plus, if I'm invited to a celebration, I expect not to pay my own way.

At my friends' and my "girls' nights," we each pay our own way, but we've decided by mutual agreement to always split the tab evenly, no matter who has what, just to minimize confusion and make it easier on everyone mathematically. We take the tax on the meal, double it to get the tip, then round up to a number that is evenly divisible (or close enough) by the number of diners attending. My family even did this at lunch yesterday (mostly because there were 7 of us and no one wanted to sit there and figure out who owed what).

But I know no such thing is going to happen at this upcoming event. Someone in that branch of the family is going to shortchange the rest of the attendees and make everyone else cough up the difference (it's happened before), and since my cousin June and her husband are raging alcoholics, it's quite possible that I'd be throwing in for their gigantic bar tab when all I had was a beer or a shot or two of sake. No flippin' way is this going to happen on my dime.

What bothers me the most is that this branch of the family is always bragging about their money and material possessions (I guess my cousin June had to learn it somewhere). If they have so much money to throw around, why do I (or any other member of the family) have to finance part of this get-together? I'd rather spend the time with my friends, with whom I know I'll enjoy the company, I won't be subjected to the brat-tacular antics of cousin June's offspring, and I won't end up paying part of a huge bar tab for a raging alcoholic because we limit ourselves to one or two alcoholic drinks at most at our gatherings (we're big girls; we know how to keep our impulses under control).

I know it was my cousin June who chose the venue, too, because she happens to love sushi. While I like one or two sushi offerings, it's not one of my favorite foods (because I don't like seafood much), and most of my family isn't partial to sushi either. I don't think a lot of us are going to be in attendance, because we don't much feel like paying our own way at what is ostensibly a party. If I invite people out to eat, I never expect them to pick up the tab. I paid the entire tab for my mom's last birthday dinner, all $200 of it, because I made the invitation. Therefore it was my responsibility to pick up the tab.

Why do some people never learn the difference between "a party" and "a night out on everyone else's dime"?

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Re: who's hosting this shindig, anyway?
« Reply #1 on: January 13, 2007, 07:58:04 PM »
Maybe they do know and just don't care :P

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Re: who's hosting this shindig, anyway?
« Reply #2 on: January 13, 2007, 08:04:54 PM »
If you hate what is served at the resterant - I wouldn't go - Maybe you could get together with cousin and have a little going away party of your own.  Without the family drama.
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Re: who's hosting this shindig, anyway?
« Reply #3 on: January 13, 2007, 09:12:39 PM »
What we have always done, in my family, Hubby's family, and with friends, is we agree to meet at a restaurant, one couple makes the reservations, and then the checks are separate for each couple/family group.    We ALL pay the tip, for example if its Hubby and I and the bill is $50.00,  WE  leave at least a $10.00  tip and the other couples/families leave their own tips.   If I notice the other couples aren't tipping well, I'll usually kick in more for our tip.

But its all understood up front that each couple/family will pay for their own meals/drinks/tips.  That way no one is shocked or embarrassed.

I have never been invited anywhere and not expected that I would pay my own way.  The only time I can remember not paying was when my friend took me out for a birthday dinner.  (But I still took cash with me, just in case)


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Re: who's hosting this shindig, anyway?
« Reply #4 on: January 13, 2007, 09:20:56 PM »
<<<<It's always been my understanding that, unless there is a prior agreement by all parties, if you invite people out to dinner/drinks/etc to celebrate an event, the host(ess) of the event pays.>>>

That's always been my understanding also.  But more and more, it appears to be common practice to "invite" someone to share in a "celebration dinner" and the invitee is expected to pay for their own meal/drinks/whatever.

So much so, that I never assume that the person inviting me, is picking up the tab.  If I can afford to go, I will go, making sure I have enough cash to cover whatever I choose from the menu.  If when the bill comes, the invitor says, "Oh no, this is on me," then I'm pleasantly surprised.  If not, I'm not completely embarrassed!

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Re: who's hosting this shindig, anyway?
« Reply #5 on: January 13, 2007, 09:57:07 PM »
These members of my family are the only branch who does this when it's a "celebration." In my family, if you're inviting me, the assumption is that you're paying for me. And whatever other guests you invite. If you did the reverse to them, they'd be offended, but since it's them doing the inviting and not-paying, in this case it's OK. >:( It's maddening, but that's how it goes.

As always happens whenever there is an event at which my cousin June will be present, I will conveniently have "another commitment" for that day. 8) I think said commitment will be treating my friend Paul to dinner and the movie we've been waiting forever to see because I have free movie tickets.  ;D

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Re: who's hosting this shindig, anyway?
« Reply #6 on: January 14, 2007, 12:06:44 AM »
What we have always done, in my family, Hubby's family, and with friends, is we agree to meet at a restaurant, one couple makes the reservations, and then the checks are separate for each couple/family group...  But its all understood up front that each couple/family will pay for their own meals/drinks/tips.  That way no one is shocked or embarrassed.

This is how my family and friends operate too.  The exception would be for say an engagement, 21st, or, as an example, when my SIL celebrated her 50th birthday at a restaurant where an entire section was reserved for us and she and her DH picked up the bill.  For other occasions, each family unit pays their own way.  When all the family meets up for a birthday celebration whether it be for my mother/MIL, dad/FIL, SIL/BIL, aunt, uncle, cousin, friend, anybody really, each family unit pays their own way, including the birthday person.  Fortunately the tax is already included in the price in Australia so that is not an issue and tipping is rare (I've never tipped nor has anyone I know) so that is never an issue either.

Moonbunny- I wouldn't be going to cousin's shindig either - although I hope you are happy with the fact that you will be depriving us all of some ehell stories ;D

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Re: who's hosting this shindig, anyway?
« Reply #7 on: January 14, 2007, 12:28:09 AM »
I would like to point out that unless the restaurant in question is a very quaint mom and pop operation, it is usually no problem to separate checks, or at least separate the bar tab from the meals. It's all entered into a computer and just has to be sorted out into individual tickets.

I personally hate, and will not participate in, the "let's just split this evenly" deals. I don't usually drink and non-drinkers always get screwed in those cases. I should not have to kick in for everyone else's $$$ margaritas and beer when all I had was soda.

Like MineralDiva, I never assume that the check is being covered until someone actually says, "It's on me." Of course, in my family, celebrations like this are rarely held in restaurants - we'd be more likely to have a restaurant cater the food, but serve it at home, in which case the host would pay for it.
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Re: who's hosting this shindig, anyway?
« Reply #8 on: January 14, 2007, 12:30:56 AM »
I personally hate, and will not participate in, the "let's just split this evenly" deals. I don't usually drink and non-drinkers always get screwed in those cases. I should not have to kick in for everyone else's $$$ margaritas and beer when all I had was soda.

I SO agree!!!  If (general) you want to eat/drink it, then (general) you can pay for it.

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Re: who's hosting this shindig, anyway?
« Reply #9 on: January 14, 2007, 12:35:24 AM »
Hey!  I think we should wire Moon up, get her a wig and sunglasses...and send her undercover to the sushi joint, to get some good E-Hell stories.

She could be our very first "Ring of Fire" reporter!  LOL

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Re: who's hosting this shindig, anyway?
« Reply #10 on: January 14, 2007, 08:58:26 AM »
I don't mind paying for my own bill (and a portion of the guest of honor's) at get-to-gethers such as these. In fact, I prefer it, and I think this is the norm anymore.  Dining out at a restaurant is a casual celebration, not a fancy party. It is about celebrating and spending time with the guest of honor, not getting a free meal. If initiating a dinner out to honor a friend or family member meant I had to pay for everyone who shows up, there would be alot less celebrating, simply because most people cannot afford to do so. "$200-$400 out of our monthly budget would be a hardship for us, but $40 is manageable. While I acknowledge that a host/hostess is supposed to treat their guests, I do not agree that a birthday/etc dinner in a restaurant necessarily falls under that rule.

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Re: who's hosting this shindig, anyway?
« Reply #11 on: January 14, 2007, 09:56:31 AM »
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What bothers me the most is that this branch of the family is always bragging about their money and material possessions (I guess my cousin June had to learn it somewhere). If they have so much money to throw around, why do I (or any other member of the family) have to finance part of this get-together?

Perhaps this is a large part of how they afford all those material goods they brag about? ;)

In my circle, there's a difference between 'hey, let's go get a bite to eat' (pay your own way) and 'we're taking X out to celebrate such-and-such' (inviters host). It sounds as though in your family there's the same sort of division and Cousin June's side of the family fails to follow it...and everyone has let them get away with it for too long. You won't be able to change it, especially by yourself.

I think you've chosen the correct route in deciding not to go out for a meal you won't enjoy and at which you will be forced to pony up for not only what you eat, but a portion of what someone else ate including their bar tab.

OTOH, I do love the idea of getting you a disguise and sending you to the restaurant (on eHell, of course!) to get the undercover story! LOL!

Hey, wait a minute! I love sushi! Anyone want to send me and my beloved out to dinner to get the dossier on Cousin June? Just a thought. :D

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Re: who's hosting this shindig, anyway?
« Reply #12 on: January 14, 2007, 12:40:12 PM »
Hey, wait a minute! I love sushi! Anyone want to send me and my beloved out to dinner to get the dossier on Cousin June? Just a thought. :D

Sure, if you can be out in Livermore on the 20th. Heehee. ;D I'll even pay your bar tab. ;)

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« Reply #13 on: January 14, 2007, 01:01:16 PM »
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I'll even pay your bar tab.

You wouldn't have to pay much, then, since I'm teatotal and most sushi places I've been to pour the green tea gratis.

Hmmm....Livermore...I'll have to see if I can make it. ;)

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Re: who's hosting this shindig, anyway?
« Reply #14 on: January 14, 2007, 01:02:36 PM »
This is very far off topic but....

Can y'all keep a secret?   I'm ashamed to admit I've never even tried or seen sushi.

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