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madmusician

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What to do, what to do, what to do?
« on: January 16, 2007, 12:02:29 AM »
Ok, I have quite the situation.

I am very close with BF's family. That being said, they are all, with the exception of BF, large to the point of obesity. That is their choice.

They eat fast food 5 nights a week because his mom doesn't feel like cooking. Again, their choice.

They have a 12 year old daughter (BF's sister) who is 5'3 and wears size 22-24 in women's clothing (US size). This is NOT her choice. I understand that that's the way she's been brought up, but it breaks my heart to see her so big.

I just don't know if I should say or do anything. I know that they're not going to stop eating fast food, but it just really hurts me to know that she's going to be dealing with that issue all her life and it wasn't even her choice, really.

Oh, a conundrum! I know etiquette says I shouldn't say anything, but....she's only 12 and she's going to have this problem all of her life if no one takes care of her.

Edited to add that I've talked to boyfriend about it and he doesn't think anything is ever going to change. But i just hate that hint of hopelessness!
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Re: What to do, what to do, what to do?
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2007, 12:17:23 AM »
Offer to spend some "girl time" with BF's sister, during which you can sort of casually introduce her to healthier habits, like exercise (this can be pretty much anything from a simple walk in the park to a hip-hop dance class, if she's into that), healthy eating and cooking habits (also easy--salads, stir-fries, and veggie wraps or subs are all well within the abilities of a twelve-year-old.  Also, you might do well to point out to her which fast-food options are healthier, so she can at least choose a salad and yogurt over a Big Mac the next time her family eats out).  Maybe, if BF's sister actively confides in you that she wants to lose weight, you could offer to maybe go running with her or go to the gym and work out together every day, and it can be your little ritual.  Later on, the two of you can have fun shopping for cute non-plus-sized clothes for her.....I still remember the day I "crossed over" to the "regular" half of Reitman's, it felt awesome. :)

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Re: What to do, what to do, what to do?
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2007, 12:23:45 AM »
(Those are really good suggestions, freakyfemme.)

The situation does sound hopeless though.  As long as this poor girl lives with her family and maintains such eating habits, unfortunately weight will continue to be a problem for her.  Thankfully she has someone like you caring about her future.  By the way, out of curiousity, why do you think your BF never became obese?  Do you think he might be able to influence his sister?

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« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2007, 12:28:18 AM »
I agree with freakyfemme--a real time commitment is pretty much your only option, and I suggest being all kinds of subtle/gentle about your approach.  Implying in any way that there is something wrong with her will likely hurt her and make her less receptive; spending time with her and demonstrating that the whole world doesn't work the way her family does might be very good for her in the long run.  

My stepfather was in his 50's before he began to realize that there are people out there who actually enjoy salads, and he has had a horrible time with food, weight, yo-yo diets, miracle drugs, and shame his whole life.  His sons were in their teens, but they still struggle, and probably always will.  His grandson, who is two, does not yet know what candy is.  My point is that change is slow--learning new habits can take generations--but it's possible, and it starts with awareness of a larger world.  

If you want to be that for BF's sister, I think that would be a lovely thing to do--and for her children, too.

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« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2007, 12:29:54 AM »
He's a boy and they're always unfair about weight!!! Seriously, though, he was always too active--soccer, basketball, etc.

The only thing is, she's the type of kid who likes to sit around and not do much. Hey! Sounds like me! But with the differences in our schedules, I just don't know when I'd have time to do much with her. I will try if I do get the chance.

Also, her mom has influenced her to the point that sometimes she gets a salad, but she gets it with fried chicken on top and two packets of creamy ranch--and a big ol' Coke to go along with it all.

Poor child. I've always been overweight but I've never been in her situation, so I only know part of how it feels.




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Re: What to do, what to do, what to do?
« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2007, 12:40:50 AM »
Also, her mom has influenced her to the point that sometimes she gets a salad, but she gets it with fried chicken on top and two packets of creamy ranch--and a big ol' Coke to go along with it all.

Well, then, you start small.  First, get her to switch from regular Coke to Diet Coke (actually, Coca-Cola Zero tastes sort of like regular Coke, only without the nasty syrupy sticky quality), and then maybe get her to trade the fried chicken on her salad for grilled chicken, and the creamy ranch dressing for Italian or a similar kind of vinaigrette dressing.  Don't say "How can you eat that?  It's so bad for you!!!"; but rather, "Oh, you like chicken?  Well, here, this has grilled chicken on it," or something to that effect.  It's the Northrop Frye approach, but applied to food instead of literature, lol.

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« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2007, 12:48:21 AM »
And maybe BF could be induced to have a heart-to-heart with his parents--not about their weight, but about the habits that his sister is learning.  As you say, the adults are making their own choices, but the 12-year-old girl hasn't had a fair chance.  Maybe they can make an effort to get her involved in more activities, or to find healthier meal options for her, even if cooking is still out.

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« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2007, 01:00:21 AM »
That's a good idea, having him talk to his parents. I know they have decided to start eating at home more, a step in a better direction, because they can no longer afford to eat out so much. But what they cook is often high in fat, though it is more balanced.

Freakyfemme, you've got some really good ideas. Thanks!!!




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Re: What to do, what to do, what to do?
« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2007, 04:05:58 AM »
Aha!

With the start of them eating in more, why not offer to cook them a delicious, yet healthy meal? Just so they can see it can be done. And maybe just so happen to leave around a few healthy eating recipe books of your own. Y'know, cos you're so forgetful and all... :D

Hopefully they'll develop some new, healthier habits with a nudge from you in the right direction :)

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Re: What to do, what to do, what to do?
« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2007, 04:33:37 AM »
Oh, a conundrum! I know etiquette says I shouldn't say anything, but....she's only 12 and she's going to have this problem all of her life if no one takes care of her.

Edited to add that I've talked to boyfriend about it and he doesn't think anything is ever going to change. But i just hate that hint of hopelessness!

I had well meaning adults say things like this to me and it devestated me Every Single Time. They knew I was eating too much, that I wasn't taking enough exercise. Now my underactive thyroid is being treated I wish I could go around to every single one of them and point out how bad they made me feel by projecting their prejudices on to me. I wasn't eating too much or unhealthily and I took more exercise than most kids my age.

I suggest you keep your mouth shut. If you are prepared to educate by example and build a relationship with this girl, fine, but you had better make sure you aren't doing out of some sort of need to be the rescuer. And even then you need to bear in mind that it is estimated that as many as 1 in 10 US residents have thyroid issues. Between that and PCOS I don't think anyone should try and loose more than two stone without consulting a doctor and eliminating the possibility of both.

And frankly, it's nicer to feel normal for a while than to spend your whole life worrying about what you put in your mouth. It's also nicer when people love you even when you are fat instead of trying to bribe you with clothes you don't fit into and vague visions of what life could be like if you were thin.

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Re: What to do, what to do, what to do?
« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2007, 10:55:35 AM »
I don't want to force her into change or make her feel bad. I have thyroid issues, and I too am overweight. I just feel for her because I know that her family's choices have affected her negatively. I just wanted a way to quietly influence her without making her feel bad about her weight.




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Re: What to do, what to do, what to do?
« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2007, 11:05:23 AM »
It was not until college that I could eat what I wanted and buy my own clothes, "find myself" if you will!  :)
I discovered new foods and intramural (sp) sports, and while still chunky, did lose weight and was happy.
Now when I go home once a year (Christmas) I must buy lowfat milk, fresh fruit, and "help" mom cook veggies as a side to whatever her main dish is, and I do it "for the grandkids, my kids."
If I did it just for me, it would be critical of her in her mind.  But doing it for the kids, then, is ok. 
Every time I go home I am amazed at how I grew up.  Now I eat so many veggies, and a salad is so much more than iceberg lettuce drowning in Thousand Island Dressing! 

So, in this case, do what you can to be a good influence, but until she realizes she has control herself, and that may not happen till she is out of the house, just focus on other things that eating with her.  If things go long-term with this guy, you may become a part of this family, and then bring grandkids into it!

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« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2007, 11:14:36 AM »
I am guessing you could have your BF address this as a health issue.  She's not just overweight/obese, given the specifications that you mentioned, she is pretty much a walking health risk to herself (diabedtes, joint problems, heart disease, to name a few).  I think a concern for her health might be the best way to approach it with her directly.  It is a sensitive topic and I dont think that one can bring it up themselves, but if she brings it up, you can ask her if she has ever seriously considered doing something for her health (perhaps you could encourage the conversation by casually mentioning a diet that you started, or how great you feel now that you are walking 2x per week.  If she wants to, she will latch on to this opportunity to discuss health issues. If she doesnt, she will just listen and then move on).  If she seems receptive, keep talking, cautiously.  Let her know that if she wants help figuring out a healthy routine, you or BF are available to help her.  If she doesnt seem receptive, drop it immediately.  I also agree that they only way you can approach this is if you are willing to make a time commitment to help her through it should she want it. Otherwise, you are really just telling her that she's fat and that that is unacceptable.   Even if you plant the seed in her mind, that might be enough for her to want to do something about it.  She's got more then a few tough years coming up ahead of her in highschool. 
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Re: What to do, what to do, what to do?
« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2007, 12:18:17 PM »
Oh, a conundrum! I know etiquette says I shouldn't say anything, but....she's only 12 and she's going to have this problem all of her life if no one takes care of her.

Edited to add that I've talked to boyfriend about it and he doesn't think anything is ever going to change. But i just hate that hint of hopelessness!
And frankly, it's nicer to feel normal for a while than to spend your whole life worrying about what you put in your mouth. It's also nicer when people love you even when you are fat instead of trying to bribe you with clothes you don't fit into and vague visions of what life could be like if you were thin.

Smarterthanu's boyfriend is worried about his sister's health, and I'm sure that being that size is no picnic for her (the sister) either.  I very much doubt that she feels "normal" being a size 22 or 24 at her age and height, not being able to enjoy simple things like going swimming with her friends, or shopping for cute clothes, or getting dressed up for formal dances, without feeling self-conscious every single minute she's doing these things, IF she even still does them.  I know first-hand that I never really felt "normal" when I was obese, even when I was surrounded by people who accepted me and didn't constantly tell me "Freaky, you're too fat," etc.  I knew it for myself, from looking in the mirror, and feeling constantly clunky and lethargic, everywhere I went.  Sure, it took a lot of effort to get myself down to within shouting distance of normal, and stay there, but I still remember how good it felt the first time I was able to buy normal-sized-person clothes, and put on a bathing suit without feeling like a fat blob, and run up the stairs without getting winded, and look in the mirror and actually feel like I looked nice.  I wasn't that gung-ho about losing the weight when I started, because I didn't think I could ever do it, but in retrospect, it was *definitely* worth it.  I don't "spend my life worrying about what goes into my mouth" now either, I actually prefer healthy food to junk (for example, I don't like French fries or onion rings anymore, so if I'm eating out, I'll pick salad over that), and while I still have a bit of a weakness for chocolate and other sweet things (but mostly chocolate), I make sure to enjoy those things in moderation, and balance them with healthy food.  But Bethalize, you're right, those people were definitely being rude buttinskys to accuse you of "unhealthy habits" when they didn't know that there was an underlying medical condition that you had no control over.

If Smarter is willing to build a relationship with BF's sister, and be a good influence in her life, then that would be a wonderful thing that could get her going on the right track, not just health-wise, but in every other way.  Every girl should have positive older female influences in her life, there doesn't seem to be an older sister in the house, and it sounds like her mother is kind of falling down on the job.  I was a firstborn myself, so there were a lot of things I either had to figure out on my own, ask my friends to teach me (like how to put on make-up, for example), or just make do without knowing.  But, if Smarter steps up to the plate and is willing to be that person for this girl, then I think she'd have a much better self-esteem and quality of life.  Even if she doesn't actually lose that much weight from Smarter's influence, she'll at least feel better knowing that she's "important" enough for her brother's "cool" friends to take an interest in. 

Oh, and another idea......maybe to make this less teachy-preachy, Smarter could ask her boyfriend's sister to tell her/teach her about something *she's* into, like, if BF's sis likes art, then Smarter could maybe get her to give her some pointers on drawing or whatever, or they could take an art class or tour an art gallery together.  Like I said, it's not just about trying to get the girl to lose weight, it's about providing her with a positive role model that she doesn't have at home.  I'd be saying the same thing if Smarter's boyfriend came from a family of alcoholics, and he was worried that his sister was heading the same way.  In fact, some people say that overeating is a harder addiction to conquer, because, while a person can swear off alcohol, drugs, or cigarettes forever, it's impossible to stop eating completely. 

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Re: What to do, what to do, what to do?
« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2007, 12:33:54 PM »
Ok, I have quite the situation.

I am very close with BF's family. That being said, they are all, with the exception of BF, large to the point of obesity. That is their choice.

They eat fast food 5 nights a week because his mom doesn't feel like cooking. Again, their choice.

They have a 12 year old daughter (BF's sister) who is 5'3 and wears size 22-24 in women's clothing (US size). This is NOT her choice. I understand that that's the way she's been brought up, but it breaks my heart to see her so big.

I just don't know if I should say or do anything. I know that they're not going to stop eating fast food, but it just really hurts me to know that she's going to be dealing with that issue all her life and it wasn't even her choice, really.

Oh, a conundrum! I know etiquette says I shouldn't say anything, but....she's only 12 and she's going to have this problem all of her life if no one takes care of her.

Edited to add that I've talked to boyfriend about it and he doesn't think anything is ever going to change. But i just hate that hint of hopelessness!

If you actually and for real want to befriend her, do "active" activities, and have her over to dinner occasionally, and teach her how to cook (if she's interested). But do not comment on her weight. I doubt that's she's so stupid to not figure out that you don't approve of her lifestyle (even if it's unwise). If you truly like her for who she is now, than act on it. If you only feel sorry for her, well, in the end she may feel very hurt and betrayed.

I say this from experience. I've had plenty of people come in to my life because they only wanted to "fix" me. Those "friendships" never lasted simply because one person cannot "fix" another. Those who have been true friends cared enough to teach me the things that they love, thus giving me new ideas and options on how to fix myself.