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Telling your boss why you are leaving.
« on: January 16, 2007, 08:03:58 AM »
Some of you may have read in the coffee break folder that I had been considering another position I was offered. Well, I decided to take it. The opportunity to work for the education system was simply too good to pass up.

The thing is, my current boss has asked me to write down exactly why I chose not to stay with them.

Some of it is very simple. The school offers very good insurance for a much cheaper rate, summers off with pay, and the opportunity to be at home with my children when they get out of school, which cuts out day care costs. Also, it gives me a chance to have a 'trial-run' at doing something (teaching) that I've toyed with off an on for years. (I'd have to go back to school for a while, but by taking a parapro job, at least I'll get to see if I WANT to before I invest the time and money).

But then we come to the part that I'm not sure how to address. I'm not thinking twice about leaving this job because I hate it. The reasons are many:

1) They hired me to do specific things, three different areas in total. A month after I was there, they completely changed my job description, took one of the areas they hired me for and gave it to someone else, and gave me her job to do instead. Neither she nor I were thrilled with this.

2) One of the areas they decided to give to me most definately requires more than one person, yet I am the only person doing it. (Customer service) They hired a young woman to help, but she attends college two days a week. This would be ok, because she'd still be there the other three, but they have also decided to use her when they travel to do fittings, usually twice a week. So she's basically there one day a week and I'm left for the rest of the week to do that, plus the other two areas.

3)The three people in charge don't seem to communicate well. I ask a question of one, get told one thing, do it that way. Then another comes along and tells me to change it, so I do. Then the third comes along and says do it the way it was to begin with. Confusing and frustrating.

4)In relation to number three, there seems to be no set policies on anything. Something will happen five times and each time it is taken care of in a different manner. This does not lend for learning how to do something competently.

5)One of the bosses seems to have a problem with her temper. She's like a light switch. Most of the time it's off, and she's a very nice considerate person. But then it's on and she turns into a banshee, raving and snapping at people. It's usually unexpected, and quite shocking. I've seen her attack folks in front of everyone, and I live in fear that it will one day be me. (She is the owner's wife, btw)

So, this is why I am leaving. Should I actually let my boss know these things, or is it better to just leave quietly. Remember, he asked...And if the answer is tell him, how would you do that in a non accusational, non offensive way?

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Re: Telling your boss why you are leaving.
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2007, 08:15:16 AM »
My optimistic side says the boss wants to know so that he can change things.  If I were a boss, I'd want to know how to improve.  I'd be inclined to be honest about the problems employees encounter while working there.  Have there been a lot of employees abruptly leaving the job?  Maybe he wants the feedback to stop the trend.

Will being honest hurt you in the future, perhaps with a bad reference as "revenge"?  If not, I say tell it like it is.  Although I'm not sure if I would actually write it down. Your actual resignation letter should be diplomatic.  You can tell him those other things verbally, and he can write them down himself if he wants.

But I'm not up on office politics.  There is probably a wiser decision to be made than what I can offer.

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« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2007, 08:48:17 AM »
Some of you may have read in the coffee break folder that I had been considering another position I was offered. Well, I decided to take it. The opportunity to work for the education system was simply too good to pass up.

The thing is, my current boss has asked me to write down exactly why I chose not to stay with them.

Some of it is very simple. The school offers very good insurance for a much cheaper rate, summers off with pay, and the opportunity to be at home with my children when they get out of school, which cuts out day care costs. Also, it gives me a chance to have a 'trial-run' at doing something (teaching) that I've toyed with off an on for years. (I'd have to go back to school for a while, but by taking a parapro job, at least I'll get to see if I WANT to before I invest the time and money).

But then we come to the part that I'm not sure how to address. I'm not thinking twice about leaving this job because I hate it. The reasons are many:

1) They hired me to do specific things, three different areas in total. A month after I was there, they completely changed my job description, took one of the areas they hired me for and gave it to someone else, and gave me her job to do instead. Neither she nor I were thrilled with this.

2) One of the areas they decided to give to me most definately requires more than one person, yet I am the only person doing it. (Customer service) They hired a young woman to help, but she attends college two days a week. This would be ok, because she'd still be there the other three, but they have also decided to use her when they travel to do fittings, usually twice a week. So she's basically there one day a week and I'm left for the rest of the week to do that, plus the other two areas.

3)The three people in charge don't seem to communicate well. I ask a question of one, get told one thing, do it that way. Then another comes along and tells me to change it, so I do. Then the third comes along and says do it the way it was to begin with. Confusing and frustrating.

4)In relation to number three, there seems to be no set policies on anything. Something will happen five times and each time it is taken care of in a different manner. This does not lend for learning how to do something competently.

5)One of the bosses seems to have a problem with her temper. She's like a light switch. Most of the time it's off, and she's a very nice considerate person. But then it's on and she turns into a banshee, raving and snapping at people. It's usually unexpected, and quite shocking. I've seen her attack folks in front of everyone, and I live in fear that it will one day be me. (She is the owner's wife, btw)

So, this is why I am leaving. Should I actually let my boss know these things, or is it better to just leave quietly. Remember, he asked...And if the answer is tell him, how would you do that in a non accusational, non offensive way?
Many companies have exit interviews in which you can give them an idea of things about the job.  This doesn't sound like an exit interview.  I don't understand why he wants you to write it down in detail for him.  Have a lot of employees been leaving and someone (either your boss or someone higher up) wants inside info or opinions about it?   Is it possible that he is on the line for people who are leaving?   Could be anything, I suppose, but my gut says, "Don't burn bridges."   Just my opinion.
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« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2007, 08:59:54 AM »
FoxxyFox, Good for you for taking a chance!

What your boss wants is called an exit interview, though usually you actually speak with the person and the HR person takes notes on what you say.  Having it in writing accomplishes at least 2 things: Makes a record of you leaving for both you and the company, and if he is looking for ammo for or against a person or a process he now has proof that someone left because of said process or person.  Am I correct in thinking that this is an entire industry/career change for you?
I would be honest, but careful about what you say.  Below are my suggested wordings, I am sure you will receive many other good suggestions from other posters. 

Some of it is very simple. The school offers very good insurance for a much cheaper rate, summers off with pay, and the opportunity to be at home with my children when they get out of school, which cuts out day care costs. Also, it gives me a chance to have a 'trial-run' at doing something (teaching) that I've toyed with off an on for years. (I'd have to go back to school for a while, but by taking a parapro job, at least I'll get to see if I WANT to before I invest the time and money).

I have come across another opportunity that more closely aligns with my personal and professional goals.  While I have enjoyed working for XXX, with this new opportunity I will be able to take advantage of benefits that are not currently offered to me.  Furthermore, I am personally considering a career change, and this opportunity affords me the ability to move in that direction at this time.  (you can discuss the details of the ‘benefits’ with your boss verbally, but your company really should know what is industry standard and it doesn’t need to be spelled out here.

1) They hired me to do specific things, three different areas in total. A month after I was there, they completely changed my job description, took one of the areas they hired me for and gave it to someone else, and gave me her job to do instead. Neither she nor I were thrilled with this.
2) One of the areas they decided to give to me most definately requires more than one person, yet I am the only person doing it. (Customer service) They hired a young woman to help, but she attends college two days a week. This would be ok, because she'd still be there the other three, but they have also decided to use her when they travel to do fittings, usually twice a week. So she's basically there one day a week and I'm left for the rest of the week to do that, plus the other two areas.

As you know, very soon after being hired the duties of my position were significantly altered to  include things that were not originally part of the job description, as well other areas were taken away from the position.  Despite my best efforts to learn and enjoy this new position, I found myself unhappy with the overall experience and function of this new position.  Not only were my skill sets underutilized, but the new position offered fewer challenges and growth opportunities. [Insert other reasons why here – below your skill level, few challenges, little support, attention divided among trivial matters when you could have been more effective elsewhere, etc.]  In particular, I strongly feel that the customer service part of this position requires 2 or more people to be effective, and I continuously found myself without the support necessary to fulfill the duties of this additional role.  Multiple attempts [with HR/Boss/colleagues] to resolve this conflict did not result in an effective solution. 

3)The three people in charge don't seem to communicate well. I ask a question of one, get told one thing, do it that way. Then another comes along and tells me to change it, so I do. Then the third comes along and says do it the way it was to begin with. Confusing and frustrating.

I wouldn’t even address this in your exit interview– while it may be frustrating, there are many things you can do while you are at the job to address this situation, and if you haven’t, it will only look bad on you to list it as a reason that you left. If you have addressed it, and you feel you must include it, please clarify what steps were taken to rectify this situation, or if the pace of business was undeniably slowed down throughout the company (not just your job) by this problem, you can incorporate it into the above paragraph somehow.  Something to the effect of ‘not enough support for upper management to complete said tasks/frustrated with the lack of communication among upper management left me focusing on current work rather than on ways I could be more effective in this position...   

4)In relation to number three, there seems to be no set policies on anything. Something will happen five times and each time it is taken care of in a different manner. This does not lend for learning how to do something competently.

See above about not addressing/saying something about inability to focus on ways to expand and support the overall business. 

5)One of the bosses seems to have a problem with her temper. She's like a light switch. Most of the time it's off, and she's a very nice considerate person. But then it's on and she turns into a banshee, raving and snapping at people. It's usually unexpected, and quite shocking. I've seen her attack folks in front of everyone, and I live in fear that it will one day be me. (She is the owner's wife, btw)

Since you haven’t actually had a conflict with this person, I would be VERY careful addressing it (if at all).  It sounds petty to single out one person’s behavior (no matter how terrible it is).  If you must, say something about the “sudden-changing office atmosphere” at particularly stressful times was not conducive to your working style.  I wouldn’t say anything about anyone’s personality.  Your boss should be able to read between the lines well enough, but if you actually mention personality conflicts, it discredits your professionalism and makes it seem like you left because you just didn’t like someone. That’s a bad way to leave a company.

good luck with this, and with your new position!!  ;)
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Re: Telling your boss why you are leaving.
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2007, 10:13:26 AM »
Foxxy, in a situation like yours, I think the best thing to do is to focus on what you are going to and not what you're leaving.  IOW, expound on the benefits of your new position.  From what you've written in your post, absolutely no one could blame you for taking the new job.  It sounds like a wonderful opportunity for you.

Since you're leaving the company, you have no stake in its policies (present or future), so don't waste your time trying to educate your boss on his or the company's failings.  It won't serve you in any way, and they probably won't care anyway. 

What I'm trying to say, is don't burn any bridges.  Leave on an upbeat, positive note.  You have the best reasons in the world for taking the new job.  Leave it at that.  To do otherwise would be futile and an energy drainer.  Congratulations on your new job!

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« Reply #5 on: January 16, 2007, 10:19:31 AM »
rdge gave excellent advice!
I also would never in official writing complain about a person--do not burn any bridges, it is a small world, after all! 
The changing job description and then having the part-time college girl only less than part-time  is more than enough to leave.
if you have any documentation of the confusion of being told one assignment by one, and then it beign changed by another, that could be an addendum.  This sound like what the boss is looking for.
But if your new position offers you so much more, in a field you like, plus ins. and time with you kids, just jump ship with minimum hassle and wave a polite good-bye! 
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« Reply #6 on: January 16, 2007, 10:26:50 AM »
Foxxy, in a situation like yours, I think the best thing to do is to focus on what you are going to and not what you're leaving.  IOW, expound on the benefits of your new position.  From what you've written in your post, absolutely no one could blame you for taking the new job.  It sounds like a wonderful opportunity for you.

Since you're leaving the company, you have no stake in its policies (present or future), so don't waste your time trying to educate your boss on his or the company's failings.  It won't serve you in any way, and they probably won't care anyway. 

What I'm trying to say, is don't burn any bridges.  Leave on an upbeat, positive note.  You have the best reasons in the world for taking the new job.  Leave it at that.  To do otherwise would be futile and an energy drainer.  Congratulations on your new job!

Shoo, while I agree with this line of reasoning in certain situations, I also think that exit interviews are a very important part of the termination process.  Good companies (or companies trying to improve themselves) want to know why their employees are leaving.  It's pretty standard.  Good companies can take the positive aspects along with the bad.  Any company that asks for an exit interview, I am inclined to believe either is a good company or wants to improve in some way. I have limited knowledge of the OP's situation, so perhas it is a really oppressive environment?  

I think it really depends on the situation.  I agree she shouldnt burn bridges behind her, but I dont think that telling a company exactly why you are leaving burns a bridge everytime (I think it depends on what you choose to say and how you say it).  If she thinks the boss wants something written down because he is spiteful, or will use it against her or some other employee in some way, or one is leaving under very bad circumstances then yes, definitely ONLY focus on the positives of changing your career (for your own good).  Otherwise, I am a proponent of being professionally honest - it is really meant to help the situation.  And yes, leave on an upbeat, positive note.  JMO, of course.  You could really go either way, depending on how you want to leave the situation. 
« Last Edit: January 16, 2007, 10:28:49 AM by rdge »
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« Reply #7 on: January 16, 2007, 10:56:22 AM »
I would only give out positive information in an exit interview.  I have this great opportunity....blah-blah-blah...me so happy.

If they want someone to evaluate their policies and procedures, they can hire a consultant.  I wouldn't give them anything.  I would slap on a smile and say nothing but good things about my time there.

Best of luck in your new position!

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« Reply #8 on: January 16, 2007, 10:56:49 AM »
I agree with the people who think he really wants to know.  It sounds very unusual, which makes me think Boss is aware of an unhappy working environment and would like to know what is really going on and change it.  If you dance around it, he'll never know and can't change it.

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« Reply #9 on: January 16, 2007, 11:27:48 AM »
Shoo, while I agree with this line of reasoning in certain situations, I also think that exit interviews are a very important part of the termination process.  Good companies (or companies trying to improve themselves) want to know why their employees are leaving.  It's pretty standard.  Good companies can take the positive aspects along with the bad.  Any company that asks for an exit interview, I am inclined to believe either is a good company or wants to improve in some way. I have limited knowledge of the OP's situation, so perhas it is a really oppressive environment?  

I think I must be very jaded.  I do not believe an exit interview does anything except document an employee's attitude problems.  And that's exactly what gets documented (I've been tight with HR personnel in the past).  It may seem like the company really wants to garner valuable information, and letting employees who are leaving the company air their greivances might seem like a very open minded way to accomplish this, in reality, the employee's comments are duly noted (in the employee's personnel file to remind the employer of how difficult this employee really was) and very little, if anything, is ever done to change the atmosphere which caused the employee to leave.

And, also ... again, me being jaded, but a boss who needs a soon-to-be former employee to let him know what's going on in his department is really too inept to figure out how to fix it even when someone smacks him over the head with the information. 

For what it's worth, I do not liken the boss asking for information directly from Foxxy to an actual "exit interview."  If she feels comfortable opening up and sharing her concerns/criticisms/suggestions, that's her call to make.  But I certainly don't think she is obligated to spend her energy and emotion on it.  In what way would she benefit?  In no way at all, IMO. 

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« Reply #10 on: January 16, 2007, 11:36:14 AM »
Put no "reasons" in writing.  None.  Just state something like:

With this letter, I am resigning my position as Customer Service Manager as of February 1, 2007.

Thank for the opportunity to have worked with XYZ Corporation.

Sincerely, YOU

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The problem with putting any grievances or factors contributing to your resignation in writing is that, once past the moment, any one reading it in your file in the future could construe things quite differently (i.e. that you were difficult to work with).  You definitely don't want this temporary situation to affect your job success in the future.  You owe the company nothing in this matter.

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« Reply #11 on: January 16, 2007, 12:05:26 PM »
Put no "reasons" in writing.  None.

Bingo.

If they would like an exit interview, it is up to them to arrange. And it is up to them to take notes. And if it were me going through the exit interview, I would focus on the reasons the new opportunity makes sense for me (trial-run at teaching, child care situation, etc.), not why the current job no longer makes sense for me.

Btw, congrats on your new position! How wonderful for you to have the chance to try this new career, and more time with your kids, to boot! Good on you.  :)

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« Reply #12 on: January 16, 2007, 12:12:02 PM »
I would put all your reasons in blunt but very polite and kind terms and then tell your boss how much you love him/her and have enjoyed working with him/her, etc.

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« Reply #13 on: January 16, 2007, 12:53:41 PM »
Thanks everyone for the advice. Yes, this is a complete career change for me. I will be entering the education system where as before I was involved with admin in the wholesale industry.

This seems to be getting stickier by the minute though. My boss has just asked me to continue to do some freelance work for the company which I absolutely would love to take, so I do need to be very careful in what I say to him. I do feel like he is aware that there are some issues though, so I'm not sure if I should be honest or just let it go.

I guess I'll have to think about it. I'll let you all know how it goes.

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« Reply #14 on: January 16, 2007, 01:01:02 PM »
I think I must be very jaded.  I do not believe an exit interview does anything except document an employee's attitude problems.  And that's exactly what gets documented (I've been tight with HR personnel in the past).  It may seem like the company really wants to garner valuable information, and letting employees who are leaving the company air their greivances might seem like a very open minded way to accomplish this, in reality, the employee's comments are duly noted (in the employee's personnel file to remind the employer of how difficult this employee really was) and very little, if anything, is ever done to change the atmosphere which caused the employee to leave.

And, also ... again, me being jaded, but a boss who needs a soon-to-be former employee to let him know what's going on in his department is really too inept to figure out how to fix it even when someone smacks him over the head with the information. 

For what it's worth, I do not liken the boss asking for information directly from Foxxy to an actual "exit interview."  If she feels comfortable opening up and sharing her concerns/criticisms/suggestions, that's her call to make.  But I certainly don't think she is obligated to spend her energy and emotion on it.  In what way would she benefit?  In no way at all, IMO. 

hmm, I think you are right on one account - it should really be HR that does an exit interview, NOT the boss, for that very reason. HR is supposed to be impartial and they have the ability to implement widespread policy changes.  I am sorry that you have had some poor experiences with HR, and while it is not a perfect profession, there are many good HR people out there, that do actually care about their employees reasons for leaving (my bf works for one, for example, that ALWAYS conducts exit interviews, and has made policy changes based on widespread discontent with a particular policy.  But they also ask for employee feedback during the term of the employee's career, so it is really a good company all around).  If it is as you say at the OP's company, then writing a letter actually works in the OP's favor, as her words cannot be 'tainted' by only having the notes of an HR professional.  A letter of resignation is not what the boss asked for, is really just a formality in this instance, and accomplishes nothing.  I agree she 'owes' the company nothing, but this may be one way to positively affect her environment. 

Again, it really depends on the company, and only the OP can determine if this will be helpful or detrimental now that she has heard the pro's and con's of writing the letter. 
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