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Okay.  I think it's official.  If I had a dime for every time I hear some variation on "How wonderful the kids are using the library and getting knowledge" I could afford to retire.

It happened again today.  We are up to our kiesters in kids (approximately 11 to 15 years old)  There are at least fifty of them at any given moment.  They are in small groups, talking to each other so loudly we can hear every word and know all about their business.  We ask them, politely and repeatedly, to keep their voices down.  Until we get tired of listening to ourselves be ignored and start raising our voices--at which point, we become "mean" (often followed by the "B" word).

Those that aren't in the groups are all congregated around the computers shouting at the screen and at each other.  Or they are hanging around the desk checking the computer sign up to see how much longer they have to wait.

It's not like they are in here reading, doing homework or using the library as a center of learning.  They are eating, cursing, throwing things, hollering and, in the case of the computers, they are in ch at rooms, playing RuneScape, setting up MySpace accounts which must be pretty bad since they congregate to snicker over them.  They fight over who gets to go on the computer next. 

And what do the people who come in and see this behavior say to us "How wonderful to see so many children using the library!  You must have excellent after school programs."

Well, we have tried to have excellent programs, but the kids won't attend them because, God forbid, they might miss their turn on the computer to e-mail the friends they are currently talking to and cursing with.  (Or, if there is the off chance they will get food or free goodies, they might come, grab the swag before they were supposed to get it, and leave).

We do suspend kids and we do talk to parents and we have security when security feels like showing up...but mostly it's us against them and eventually we all get so stressed that things deteriorate into shouting matches between us and the kids OR we have to lockdown and throw everyone out, as the Maplewood N.J. library has been doing. 

And thru it all, there is, inevitably, some clueless adult who says "Isn't it nice that they're hanging out here and not in the streets?"  "Oh, how wonderful they want to be with you."

I used to smile and say yes.  Now, we just look at the adult and ask if they'd like to have all these kids in THEIR homes and not get paid for baby sitting.  Their smiles falter then. 

We do everything we can to engage the kids' interest, but if they aren't going to get free booty or if they will miss a turn on the computer, or if it means following the rules and behaving responsibly, they aren't interested.  And heaven forefend they actually pick up a book....

I'm getting rattled right now.  I just had to vent.  (I have to admit I'm also cranky a bit today since I found out my once a week gig at another, peaceful branch has come to an early end and that was what was standing between me and insanity.)

Thanks for listening.  I get to go shut off computers now.  YAY!

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Re: No, It's Really Not All That Wonderful to Have So Many Kids In Here
« Reply #1 on: January 16, 2007, 04:58:44 PM »
While I think computers in libraries are wonderful things, I also think access is being abused by children.  Parents DO realize that librarians are not babysitters, don't they?  Or are they dropping the kids off to be 'supervised'?

It's great that children use the library - when they use it properly!

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Re: No, It's Really Not All That Wonderful to Have So Many Kids In Here
« Reply #2 on: January 16, 2007, 05:20:48 PM »
Our library has a no chat room - no IMing - no My Space and no gaming rules on the computers and you are not supposed to be on them any longer than a half hour.

The research librarian's desk is also right across the aisle from the computers so it is a fairly "civilized" bunch using the machines.

I feel for you - too bad you can't have a whip and chair and just knock them all back in line/
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Re: No, It's Really Not All That Wonderful to Have So Many Kids In Here
« Reply #3 on: January 16, 2007, 06:22:11 PM »
I used to work in a library when I was about 18 (I was a paige). One day we had activities for Easter that involved hunting for treats. 60 kids and their parents showed up. It was a madhouse!

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Re: No, It's Really Not All That Wonderful to Have So Many Kids In Here
« Reply #4 on: January 16, 2007, 07:33:50 PM »
I have to use the computer at the library to check my email, and I am sick of the area being corrupted by bratty kids checking their myspace and playing games. They are so loud and disruptive, and they give you attitude when you complain about them. One brat even told someone that the library isn't supposed to be a quiet environment! I know that our library's hands are tied when it comes to banning websites, so I don't knwo what can be done to shut them up and stop them from abusing the Internet. Security is there, but they can't be only at the computer stations.

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Re: No, It's Really Not All That Wonderful to Have So Many Kids In Here
« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2007, 02:30:20 AM »

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Re: No, It's Really Not All That Wonderful to Have So Many Kids In Here
« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2007, 10:19:12 AM »
I think that I would impose a time limit rule on computers, a one at a time policy to break up the congregations and I'd make the little boogers sign a waiting list to minimize fights over space. I'd ban them in a heartbeat for foul language, call their parents and let them know what's going on. And woe be to the little zitbrain that called me a mean "b".
I'd also have a word of prayer with security about not showing up when called.
This sounds like my library....except I'm in college....
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Re: No, It's Really Not All That Wonderful to Have So Many Kids In Here
« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2007, 10:25:01 AM »
I saw a news show not too long ago about how libraries are no longer quiet places.  Universities are building libraries that are basically wireless hotspots, where students can gather to study/talk/use computers, etc.  They have separate 'quiet areas' for patrons who prefer that type of atmosphere, but the main library isnt a quiet library anymore.  Hmmm....

In your case, it's just pre-teens being rude/obnixious, but I thought the news piece was interesting.  It's amazing how computers have really affected almost every area of a students/person's life nowadays...
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Re: No, It's Really Not All That Wonderful to Have So Many Kids In Here
« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2007, 11:09:01 AM »
I have learned to go upstairs to the reference dept to study. The computers up there are research only and the librarian is a shark about people using them for Myspace...and she's also hell on talking, cell phones and other ick behavior.
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Re: No, It's Really Not All That Wonderful to Have So Many Kids In Here
« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2007, 01:56:11 PM »
I love my local library.  All the computers are in a seperate room and to get in you have to show your library card and be over the age of 15 or with an adult.  I have never had issues with being disturbed.

Growing up in a very small town I lived only a block from the library.  During the summers I would spend almost all day there.  I knew the librarian.  I loved to read and by age 8 my mother signed a waiver for me to get an adults card.  When the library got its computers the kids from the local high school started coming in.  Our library passed a rule that no one under 15 could be in the library with out a guardian except during certian times.  The librarian told me she would be my "adult" because she knew I wouldn't be doing what those kids were doing, which is what you have described.  People got upset at first because they liked the idea of the library being a babysitter but the library stated taxes would have to go up to pay for more workers and quickly people stopped complaining.
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Re: No, It's Really Not All That Wonderful to Have So Many Kids In Here
« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2007, 02:05:58 PM »
While I think computers in libraries are wonderful things, I also think access is being abused by children.  Parents DO realize that librarians are not babysitters, don't they?  Or are they dropping the kids off to be 'supervised'?

Sadly, parents don't always figure that out.  We're not a public library.  In fact, we're a research library originally intended for graduate students and professionals.  Regardless, a few years ago we had a woman who wanted to work out a 'deal' with us.

Her little Buford was SO interested in our subject and his school was within walking distance of us.  We'd just make a standing appointment every school day we were open.  He'd come to read or do his homework and we'd keep an eye on him until Mom picked him up at closing time.  It seemed a perfect solution to her.

It wasn't to us.  Buford was a nice, polite kid but, child-minding issues aside, keeping a slot open for him every day meant that adult scholars would have to be turned away from time to time.  That we weren't prrepared to do so that the Mother of a 10 year old could have a few more hours a day free time for herself. 

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Re: No, It's Really Not All That Wonderful to Have So Many Kids In Here
« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2007, 06:44:53 PM »
I think that I would impose a time limit rule on computers, a one at a time policy to break up the congregations and I'd make the little boogers sign a waiting list to minimize fights over space. I'd ban them in a heartbeat for foul language, call their parents and let them know what's going on. And woe be to the little zitbrain that called me a mean "b".
I'd also have a word of prayer with security about not showing up when called.
This sounds like my library....except I'm in college....

You're pretty much describing my library, and it's the reason I stay here - the pay is peanuts and it's a half-hour commute, but it's MINE.  (Well, my domain . . . and I'm the only employee.)  Kids have to sign up to use the computer, no more than an hour at a time, no chat rooms or pornography, and the police chief makes my library a regular stop on his rounds so the real delinquents don't hang out here except on the days he's off.  And the Internet computers are homework-only for a portion of the afternoon, so some kids do actually get work done.

Unfortunately, I STILL have to deal with bratty kids.  I had to ban one kid for a week this afternoon, and I have to kick out one or two each day for more minor things (yelling or running or hitting each other, mostly).

BREAKING NEWS: Wow, just had a mom come in and drag out her two teenage daughters who wandered in here about an hour after the school bus came, and sat around reading magazines - they were supposed to go to the Boys' and Girls' Club after school, and they didn't.  So she's making them go home and do homework there, and told me to call her if they do it again.  It's nice to see at least one parent who cares :-)

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Re: No, It's Really Not All That Wonderful to Have So Many Kids In Here
« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2007, 07:50:07 PM »
And you've described quite well why I'm no longer a librarian. I like being a programmer much better -- no bratty kids, or difficult patrons. It's far too easy to get burnt out working in the library profession, and you certainly don't get paid well enough to make up for it. Just wish I hadn't spent all that time and effort on a master's degree that I don't really use...
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Re: No, It's Really Not All That Wonderful to Have So Many Kids In Here
« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2007, 10:17:32 PM »
While I think computers in libraries are wonderful things, I also think access is being abused by children.  Parents DO realize that librarians are not babysitters, don't they?  Or are they dropping the kids off to be 'supervised'?

Sadly, parents don't always figure that out.  We're not a public library.  In fact, we're a research library originally intended for graduate students and professionals.  Regardless, a few years ago we had a woman who wanted to work out a 'deal' with us.

Her little Buford was SO interested in our subject and his school was within walking distance of us.  We'd just make a standing appointment every school day we were open.  He'd come to read or do his homework and we'd keep an eye on him until Mom picked him up at closing time.  It seemed a perfect solution to her.

It wasn't to us.  Buford was a nice, polite kid but, child-minding issues aside, keeping a slot open for him every day meant that adult scholars would have to be turned away from time to time.  That we weren't prrepared to do so that the Mother of a 10 year old could have a few more hours a day free time for herself. 

Well, of course it was a perfect solution for her. She could have free child care, Buford could get his homework done in a nice pleasant atmosphere, and the only people put out would be you, the other employees, and the other adult patrons.

Unbelievable.

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Re: No, It's Really Not All That Wonderful to Have So Many Kids In Here
« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2007, 10:21:06 PM »
Small hijack, but really on a similar vein I promise. Who are these parents who leave their children in public, unattended, with strangers and have they not ever seen the news? Seen Carlie Brucia getting pulled off by her arm? Seen Sherrice Iverson being led into that bathroom at the casino? Those girls and countless others were murdered! By strangers! Who accosted them in public! Unattended!! In the company of other strangers!! Not everyone has time or inclination to keep your kid safe.
It blows my mind...
Edited to say: Pardon me for the rant, but I've been doing a lot of reading at the crime library online...
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