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Buying a car -- Am I at fault here?! (long, sorry)
« on: January 17, 2007, 09:02:28 AM »
Hello all!  Long time lurker, first time poster.  Let me start this post with a little background.  For the last 3 weeks I have been trying to buy a car as mine died on me suddenly.  I was hoping to be able to finish school (Graduating in May) before this happened, but I knew that my previous car was quite old and wasn't too surprised when I needed to buy one now.  I had done some research and narrowed it down to car A and car B.  I really wanted car A, but it was slightly out of my price range.  I was lined up to buy car B, but a car A dealership called me up and said they had exactly the car I specified for and would be willing to sell it to me at the same price car B was being sold.

I cancelled with car B and went to see car A dealership.  When they brought out the car, it turned out to be a stick shift without power windows and locks.  These were the only three hings that I had wanted in a car (an automatic WITH power w/l).  The salesman said it was my fault that this was wrong and that this is the car I asked for.  He showed me paperwork that I had submitted online.  Now, there is a solid chance that I did submit my inquiry online wrong, however, I spoke with him 4 times prior to coming to get the car and I am well aware that I kept asking that it was an automatic with power w/Ls because I could not believe the car had everything I wanted at the price I asked for.  The salesman never admits fault but says he found the last "2 cars in the north east" that fit my description and they are both on a car A lot in CT.  He says they can be there by Monday 1/15.  I say I cannot wait the long, and start for the door.  He litterally CHASES me out the door and puts in writing that the car will be there by 1/15 or I will receive a free rental.  I agree and plan to meet him that day for the car.  I also ask for the VIN of the car for insurance purposes (he guarantees the VIN for Saturday, 1/13).

I go in Monday and receive my rental car and an am told that he simply cannot get ahold of the other dealer and has not received a VIN.  It's busy, it's a holiday, keeps leaving messages, etc. etc.  I say fine, I will call on Tuesday. 

Tuesday  I call 8 times (starting at 9 am and ending at 4 pm, every hour) and he is "never at his desk", "can't be found", etc. etc.  Finally I go in and plan to demand the VIN of "my" car or get my deposit back because it has been 2.5 days that they have been open that I've been waiting for this information. 

The salesman is sitting at his desk when I enter the building and the first words out of his mouth are "Well, aren't you Miss. Impatient?"  I lay out my problem and he tells me that he has been working to the bone trying to get this number and he just can't, etc. etc.  Finally I ask that he call again while I'm there.  He does, and on the phone he says things like, "This girl has been calling me 12 times a day, she obviously doesn't think I even have a car for her, etc. etc. etc." At the end of the conversation he finally comes clean that the car was NEVER on a lot, but it just got off a loading dock and is in transit with a trucking company.  But they're not sure where.  My S.O., who accompanied me because he thought this whole thing was getting ridiculous, asks why he never said that before.  The salesman grabs some paperwork off his desk and starts to raise his voice saying that I have to tell S.O. that I am at fault and I asked for the wrong car.  He was being a saint because he's been working so hard MY problem and that he DID give me a free rental car...

Let's just say that by the time I left the dealership I was shaking, feeling like I have completely screwed up this entire ordeal.  I did get a quote that "by Thursday I will have my car," and I received the VIN, but I am truly afraid to go back to the dealership alone and deal with this man.

I intend (once all the paperwork is signed and the keys are in my hand) to file a complaint with the manager about this salesman and write to car A headquarters.  I just wanted to check with E-Hell that I am not being the rude one here. 

Thanks for reading this, I know it's long.  Any ideas?

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Re: Buying a car -- Am I at fault here?! (long, sorry)
« Reply #1 on: January 17, 2007, 09:10:16 AM »
First, I know you want and need a car but don't buy your car there. 

Second, there is another thread on here you need to read before you buy it.  I'll try to find it in a minute and post it.

Third, seriously consider going back to Car B.  Sometimes if something is that much trouble it's not meant to be and Car B may really be just the exact car that you need.

These are just my opinions and I know what opinions are worth so do what you want but think about it first.

ETA:  This is the website of the other story  http://www.etiquettehell.com/smf/index.php?topic=591.45
« Last Edit: January 17, 2007, 09:13:47 AM by Maggie »

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« Reply #2 on: January 17, 2007, 09:14:02 AM »
So let me get this straight... the man has intentionally lied and decieved you, avoided your calls, and you are wondering if you werein the wrong?

The fact of the matter is... your original inquiry is irrelevant at this point. When he realized the car that he had was not the one that you wanted, he could have let you walk out. HE is the one who decided to go through this 'hassle' of finding you the car that you want. I could care less if you submitted an incorrect online inquiry, or if you changed your mind in the process of shopping for a car. Once he knew what you were looking for he told you that he could deliver on that. And he hasn't.

PLEASE tell me you got him to put the price in writing, b/c I can just see this man trying to raise the price on you when the car gets in, saying that b/c of these options, or thetransport fees, or any other reason he can thing of, the price has to go up to this much.

The move he is pulling is classic. You will be less angry at HIS unprofessionalism if you think YOU are at fault. Don't fall for it.

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Re: Buying a car -- Am I at fault here?! (long, sorry)
« Reply #3 on: January 17, 2007, 09:24:02 AM »
hmmm, I think it depends on whether you filled out your paperwork correctly.  He's probably helping many clients, and although you spoke with him many times, I cant really blame him for not remembering *your* specifications (probably referred to paper work when locating a car for you).  

That being said, it sounds like he was giving you an excuse by saying your paperwork wasnt filled out correctly (should have made a note on you paperwork as soon as he spoke with you) - and is desperate to sell you this car.  The fact that he lied about where your car is, is typical, but very rude and unprofessional. There's no reason someone can't sell you a car honestly, professionally and helpfully. 

I second Maggie's suggestion to go back to car B.  Definitely read the thread about car buying that Maggie posts.  
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Re: Buying a car -- Am I at fault here?! (long, sorry)
« Reply #4 on: January 17, 2007, 09:33:24 AM »
Run away!  Do not, under any circumstances, buy a car from these people!

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« Reply #5 on: January 17, 2007, 09:38:21 AM »
I would have walked away forever long before now.

If you think this process has been bad, just wait until you get the car.   There is bound to be tons of things wrong with it and that salesman will not back you up and provide you with any kind of reasonable customer service.  He'll just continue to harrass you, demean you, and insult you. 

If I were you, I'd get my deposit back then tell the salesman to stick it and go buy elsewhere.

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« Reply #6 on: January 17, 2007, 09:51:53 AM »
I wouldn't give this salesman the time of day, let alone my business. 

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« Reply #7 on: January 17, 2007, 10:03:24 AM »
He is trying to guilt you into buying a car from him. He probably knew that it wasn't the right car, but hoped it would be close enough.  Now he is getting you to chase after him.  Ditch that dealer.

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« Reply #8 on: January 17, 2007, 10:37:50 AM »
The greatest power you have as a customer is to use your feet and walk away.
Does not hurt to file a complaint, also!  :)
There are just a few bad apples (car salesmen) that have ruined it for the whole bunch.  You found a big bad one. 
There are good ones out there!
Check out websites mentioned in the other post.  Checl out books in the library.  We had FUN buying our last car.
One quick good story-
we had done everything on-line and drove to another city for p/u.  Was handed our keys for a test drive.  Wow!
When time for ins. and paperwork, salesman said, "oh, you have ins. ready from an internet company-how do you know they will still be around?" (5 years ago)
My DH, who had done all his research, replied, "well, they are backed by the same company as your ins.!"
So we got the same price and still very happy with our car today. 

Do your research.  Know what you want.  Be an empowered consumer. 
And do NOT go back to that saleman...except maybe to show off the cool car you bought elsewhere, and be sure to let his manager know why!!!
Fear is temporary...Regret is forever.

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Re: Buying a car -- Am I at fault here?! (long, sorry)
« Reply #9 on: January 17, 2007, 10:49:28 AM »
RUN AWAY, RUN AWAY!   :o

I'd have been all over that salesman like white on rice and complained, loudly, to the manager.

Take car B.  You'll be much better off.

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« Reply #10 on: January 17, 2007, 12:19:51 PM »
You didn't ask, but....

Call him and tell him that you will not tolerate the lies and you will not deal with a dishonest salesperson.  Tell him you will be stopping payment on the check and buying your car elsewhere. YOU control this conversation and when you have given him that information, you end it. You don't wait to hear his side, because you don't care about his side, you are only notifying him that you are not purchasing the car.  If he harasses you in any way that causes you to feel unsafe (after all, he has your personal information), tell him that you will notify the police...and hang up. 

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Re: Buying a car -- Am I at fault here?! (long, sorry)
« Reply #11 on: January 17, 2007, 12:56:13 PM »
Thanks everyone!  You will be happy to know that I have stopped payment and going with the same car that I fell in love with through a different dealer... and will be speaking to the manager tomorrow and the salesman of car  A.   :)

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« Reply #12 on: January 17, 2007, 01:07:15 PM »
Thanks everyone!  You will be happy to know that I have stopped payment and going with the same car that I fell in love with through a different dealer... and will be speaking to the manager tomorrow and the salesman of car  A.   :)

Enjoy your new car! 

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« Reply #13 on: January 17, 2007, 01:52:56 PM »
Thanks everyone!  You will be happy to know that I have stopped payment and going with the same car that I fell in love with through a different dealer... and will be speaking to the manager tomorrow and the salesman of car  A.   :)

Glad to hear it worked out!  I was going to agree with everyone else that there's NO WAY I'd do business with this jerk of a salesman.

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Re: Buying a car -- Am I at fault here?! (long, sorry)
« Reply #14 on: January 17, 2007, 04:57:15 PM »
Good work! Keep in mind that the salesman only gets paid if you buy the car from him, so he's got to push hard to get your money. That includes, for many people, lying.

And why would you want Mr. Liar And Threatener to get any money from you?

Congrats on your getting the other car!

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