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Re: What kind of parent does this to their kids?
« Reply #30 on: December 20, 2007, 08:40:23 PM »
Last night I was having a quite dinner with myself at a local restaurant that we frequently go to so often that the staff have become friends and will frequently come sit down and chat when it is slow.  I had one of them *Nancy* come join me and ask what I thought of a situation that had occurred to her earlier that day.

Nancy had a table come in that had 2 little kids around 4-5 years old and some bags from the department store next door.  Nancy is a mom and loves kids so she asked the kids if they had just gotten back from seeing Santa and letting him know what they wanted for Christmas. The mother got very indignant and told her that she didn’t lie to her children. Nancy was a bit taken aback. The lady then continued to tell her that if she and her husband were going to spend money on the kids they want the kids to know it is from Mom and Dad and not lie and say it is from some fictional character like Santa!  :o

I must admit to being just as surprised as Nancy. Who does that to little kids? Isn’t that half the fun of Christmas when you are young? The fun of making your list up for Santa and going to the store to see him. Putting out cookies and milk and trying to listen for the sound of him landing on your roof! How sad for those kids!



Okay, the customer was rude.  But Nancy was also out-of-line IMO.  There are many families who celebrate Christmas but don't do the Santa bit.  There are also many people who do not celebrate it at all.  Just because a family has shopping-bags in December does not necessarily mean that they have been Christmas shopping.  If the customer had politely said "no" then what would Nancy have said?

Yes, we "did" Santa when the kids were young but it was our decision.  I wouldn't interpret other parents' decision to do things differently to be "sad".

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Re: What kind of parent does this to their kids?
« Reply #31 on: December 20, 2007, 08:46:48 PM »
To the parents who have children that believe in Santa, if your child asks you a question on fairness when it comes to Santa, what do you say to them?  I'm just curious.

Personally, if that question came up I think that might be a good time to admit that Santa isn't real.  I can't think of any way to get around that question without hurt feelings.

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Re: What kind of parent does this to their kids?
« Reply #32 on: December 20, 2007, 09:18:08 PM »
I don't see a problem with the children not believing in Santa.

I do think though, that there is a time and place for everything. Mom could have quietly told Nancy that they didn't do the Santa thing in their house, rather than say it out loud, where there is the possibility of other children who do believe Santa being within earshot of the conversation.

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Re: What kind of parent does this to their kids?
« Reply #33 on: December 20, 2007, 10:53:46 PM »
My mom never had me believe in Santa for religious reasons, and I never felt left out or deprived. Christmas was still (and still is) a magical time for me. I honestly don't remember running into problems with other kids because they believed in him. I really don't think I even realized that other kids actually thought he was real. To me he was just another symbol of the holiday.

If I ever have kids, I won't have them believe in Santa. That would just be weird to me because of my childhood. There would be no religious reasons for me like there were for my mom, but it just seems unnecessary and, yes, a bit like lying.

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Re: What kind of parent does this to their kids?
« Reply #34 on: December 21, 2007, 01:33:58 AM »
here in NL, we have a saint that does the presents (santa claus is based on him) earlier in december. So we didn't do santa....

I like what my parent's did.  I started off with the Santa Claus story, then when I started to question him, my parent's explained the derivation of Santa.  I think we even had a coffee table book that had different countries 'Santa' and the story behind him/her.  So, there never was a "Well, we lied.  Jokes on you." moment. 

In the OP's story, I think part of the waitress' shock wasn't so much No Santa, but the reason behind it. 

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Re: What kind of parent does this to their kids?
« Reply #35 on: December 21, 2007, 01:40:41 AM »
This woman was rude in her response, but... I was raised without Santa. We didn't hear about Santa until our parents warned us gently not to spoil it for other kids.

And I found from experience that kids will believe in magical things with or without their parents help. We may never have believed in Santa, the Tooth Fairy, or the Easter Bunny, but my sister and I still believe in faeries  ;D

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Re: What kind of parent does this to their kids?
« Reply #36 on: December 21, 2007, 02:15:00 AM »
I don't ever remember believing in Father Christmas (what we call Santa) but my father says that when I was very young he teased me about him, saying that he was a hippie (because of the weird outfit and long hair!!) and that when he came to our house, Dad was going to chase him away! Dad used to laugh about it and said I got very upset. I don't remember, though. I do know that by the time I was four, I knew that Father Christmas didn't exist and that my parents bought me all the presents. I also knew the tooth fairy didn't exist, so I used to make loud remarks about "I hope I'll get a LOT of money for this tooth!" when my father was within hearing distance.  ;D


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Re: What kind of parent does this to their kids?
« Reply #37 on: December 21, 2007, 02:36:53 AM »
   I think the woman in the restarant was a real spaz in her reply about Santa- ok fine- so she doesn't "do" santa- but all she had to do was make a lame phony holiday smile, a small generic reply, and move on. The comment from the waitress was innocent enough- similar to a basic hello how is your day going sort of thing. 

Agreed--the woman was way out of line w/ the strength of her reaction.  I do, however, understand that she could well have been on that last nerve.  We haven't ever 'done' the Santa thing here (but do talk about St. Nicholas, the real historical person, earlier in the month).

Back when my oldest was 4, we were in the grocery when the cashier asked him something about what he was going to ask for from Santa.  He very solemnly (as only a 4yo can be) told her that Santa Claus wasn't real, and we'd already celebrated St. Nicholas's day (candy canes and foil wrapped chocolate coins).  She was clearly taken aback, but recovered, told him what a bright little boy he was, and the transaction concluded.

While I *do* teach my children not to ruin the game for other children, it'd be appreciated if every random adult in restaurants, grocery stores, and the like didn't assume that all families do Santa.  Even better if they didn't address my children directly just because it's December (unless a waitress in a restaurant, but then she should be asking about what the choice is from the menu, not 'have you been good? what's Santa going to bring you?').


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Re: What kind of parent does this to their kids?
« Reply #38 on: December 21, 2007, 05:01:36 AM »
I honestly don't think you need santa at all- and it's refreshing to me now to meet new moms from this generation who aren't doing the santa /easterbunny lie to thier children.

My mom didn't do the Easter bunny as a child either for religious reasons and I never understood what his purpose was supposed to be.  Especially since Easter is a religious holiday.  So we don't do him and DD doesn't seem to feel deprived.