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Re: What if they CAN'T get good grades?
« Reply #15 on: January 30, 2007, 08:15:06 PM »
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Re: What if they CAN'T get good grades?
« Reply #16 on: January 30, 2007, 10:32:06 PM »
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Education doesn't have to be obtained in a university setting.  Vocational education is just as important as college.  My father only has a high school degree but I'd never call him un-educated.  He's just as smart, if not smarter, than the rest of the family, without our bachelor's, master's and law degrees.

If everybody goes to college, who is going to build the cars(like my father), fix the cars, repair the plumbing, build houses, and all the rest of the things that are crucial to society but don't require a college education.

I absolutely agree that education does not need to be learned in an academic setting. My father was the most educated person I have ever met and his stance was "college is for the lazy, if you really want to learn everything is available at the library".

But unfortunately these are the exception to the rule. By putting people in only vocational situations they miss out on learning so much of the general overviews of the world. If one does not know history, you are bound to repeat it (probably a misquoted by the way).

And believe me, well educated, well spoken, employable people are not very easy to come by here. We do need more!

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Re: What if they CAN'T get good grades?
« Reply #17 on: January 31, 2007, 12:07:13 AM »
Well, one problem is that high school has become so watered down that people entering the workforce with that as a bare minimum may be barely literate, let alone "educated".

My highly intelligent brother was astonished when he entered university and was told he did not know how to write! He suddenly found he had to teach himself how to write a paper that was not only properly spelled and grammatically correct, but had a structure and logical flow. He learned, over four years, to do it very well - but he certainly hadn't picked it up in twelve years of public schooling, and his teachers had never complained about it.

On the other hand, one of the smartest people I know in my profession has no university degree. It does unfortunately hinder him, since nearly all jobs in his area have a B.Sc. as a minimum requirement now.
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Re: What if they CAN'T get good grades?
« Reply #18 on: January 31, 2007, 01:14:28 AM »
Just out of interest, what happens to a child in the US school system who simply isn't very bright, and incapable of getting good grades?

Depends - on lots of things. With the standardized statewide testing in Virginia being such a big thing, and school accreditation depending on pass rates, the schools have come up with creative ways to offer tutoring, study buddies, get parent volunteers to help, lots of other things. Generally kids are grouped into more academically-focused, advanced classes or basic classes depending on their grades and skills.

Kids with mental limitations because of Down's syndrome, other problems are put into special education track and take classes on their level. Kids with learning disabilities should ideally receive help for their particular problem, and in my state they have "IEP" - Individual Education Plan - that addresses this and is revised annually. Lots of school systems still do have a vocational- technical education track. I live in a rural county, the schools participate with the vo-tech center in nearby city and kids in those courses get bussed to vo-tech center. Some kids drop out for various reasons and later get a GED - General Equivalency Diploma - equivalent to high school degree.

Some parents home-school because the regimented approach or environment in the school is not the most optimal for their child's learning style. There is a large amount of home-schoolers in my area and they have a regional home-school graduation every year in nearby city. There are private schools that may charge varying tuition, and classes often are smaller and there is more individualized attention.

My old college roommate actually dropped out of high school because of some mental health issues - depression mostly, it was a loooong story - and later took the GED exam, passed it perfectly, went on to college and graduate work which she did successfully.

I only know details about Virginia: Just about everyone with the interest has the opportunity to attend community college, usually a two-year course of study, and less expensive than traditional four year college or university. Most  credits transfer to four-year colleges. 

There are still options for people who just don't do well in school. Like horses, animals, growning things? You can work in a nursery or maybe work and live on a farm. Like old people? Many nursing home or home health agencies offer Certified Nurse Assistant courses, tuition paid if you agree to work for the agency for a certain period of time. Can you drive? Lots of places need truck or van drivers. Coordinated, good with your hands? Work construction. Like health care but grades bad? Take an Emergency Medical Technician course, you can work for ambulance company or Emergency services. My husband's uncle started his own janitorial business right after he got out of the army in the 50s. He worked hard, when he retired he sold the company for millions and lives in an ocean-front condo now.

Like others have said, the grades don't matter as much as the interests, drive, ambition, and desire to succeed after school.
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