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Why does that concern you?
« on: February 08, 2007, 10:02:03 PM »
My one co-worker ( a young kid) has gotten in the habit of asking other people at work very nosy and personal questions. He has started to bother me about the work I do and I just laugh him off. However, I can't laugh off his personal questions.
For example I have a co-worker who I am guessing is very religous. I don't know this to be sure and its none of my bussiness but she does not wear pants and her hair is very long. So my guess is she is religious but I would never ask. Now people ask about her hair which is okay. Like the length and how long she has grown it. However, pain in the butt coworker started asking her all kinds of questions about her religion. I overheard this because he was very loud about it. Now I didn't hear her answer ( she is very shy and soft spoken) but if it was me I would be livid. I was bothered by this because he kept acting like it was odd and strange that she would be insert whatever religion she is. How do you handle personal questions like this at work. I am waiting to he starts up with me.

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Re: Why does that concern you?
« Reply #1 on: February 08, 2007, 10:11:01 PM »
You don't handle these questions at work.  You address the issue with HR.

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Re: Why does that concern you?
« Reply #2 on: February 08, 2007, 10:38:42 PM »
I think it's up to the co-worker to handle.  If he starts on you, you can just let him know that you don't appreciate personal nosy questions.  You'll have to be very firm in not answering them.  You can usually train someone to stop doing something you hate, or at least find a way to minimize your contact with them while still refusing to answer their nosy questions.  If he persists and you absolutely can't stop him, sure,  complain to someone in authority over him.  It's best if you have to do that to show what you have done on your own to solve the problem.

Not to single out any particular poster, but I notice that so many answers given in this part of the forum contain the advice "go to HR."  More people are employed by small companies than big giant conglomerations that have HR departments.  Sometimes I feel that advice is unhelpful.  The spirit of it, going to someone higher up who is equipped to handle it, is correct.  But the reality is, in many small businesses, the offender may be the owner, or a family member of the owner.  Even if not, office politics come into play and it's tricky to negotiate some of these situations.  Especially if you must keep the job, and continue to get along with not only the offender, but other workmates who may not see the issue from your point of view. 

The bottom line is, while no one should have to put up with being harassed, I feel that sometimes the "go to HR" answer is a little naive.  As though at every company there is some special department set aside to magically resolve issues for grown adults in the workplace.  The truth is, very few companies have departments like that, and it's not very practical for employees to always be calling government labor boards or lawyers or writing threatening letters, etc.  There are some things that are just unacceptable and have to be fought.  But in my experience, in a real world workplace, negotiating these issues can be very delicate and it's usually best for the employee to find a way to manage it on their own, without looking like a whiner or a problem child to the other adults they are working with.

Sorry, I just had to get that out.  There are some issues that DO require the law to step in, or some outside entity.  But I think it's almost always better for the worker to find a way to handle it themselves if possible.  It's just another part of getting along in the adult world.  I feel like the legitimate issue of harassment has been weakened to sometimes mean, "I don't like it, somebody make it stop."  90% of the time, if you don't like the way someone is treating you, it's in YOUR power,and your best interests, to be the one to make them stop.

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Re: Why does that concern you?
« Reply #3 on: February 09, 2007, 08:16:17 AM »
My one co-worker ( a young kid) has gotten in the habit of asking other people at work very nosy and personal questions. He has started to bother me about the work I do and I just laugh him off. However, I can't laugh off his personal questions.
For example I have a co-worker who I am guessing is very religous. I don't know this to be sure and its none of my bussiness but she does not wear pants and her hair is very long. So my guess is she is religious but I would never ask. Now people ask about her hair which is okay. Like the length and how long she has grown it. However, pain in the butt coworker started asking her all kinds of questions about her religion. I overheard this because he was very loud about it. Now I didn't hear her answer ( she is very shy and soft spoken) but if it was me I would be livid. I was bothered by this because he kept acting like it was odd and strange that she would be insert whatever religion she is. How do you handle personal questions like this at work. I am waiting to he starts up with me.
This is how I would handle it, knowing how this guy trys to intrude into personal areas:  "I don't discuss (insert subject)."  This is one of those repeat and repeat and repeat statements, until it gets through the thick skull.
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Re: Why does that concern you?
« Reply #4 on: February 09, 2007, 08:33:33 AM »
Not to single out any particular poster, but I notice that so many answers given in this part of the forum contain the advice "go to HR."  More people are employed by small companies than big giant conglomerations that have HR departments.  Sometimes I feel that advice is unhelpful.  The spirit of it, going to someone higher up who is equipped to handle it, is correct.  But the reality is, in many small businesses, the offender may be the owner, or a family member of the owner.  Even if not, office politics come into play and it's tricky to negotiate some of these situations.  Especially if you must keep the job, and continue to get along with not only the offender, but other workmates who may not see the issue from your point of view. 

The bottom line is, while no one should have to put up with being harassed, I feel that sometimes the "go to HR" answer is a little naive.  As though at every company there is some special department set aside to magically resolve issues for grown adults in the workplace.  The truth is, very few companies have departments like that, and it's not very practical for employees to always be calling government labor boards or lawyers or writing threatening letters, etc.  There are some things that are just unacceptable and have to be fought.  But in my experience, in a real world workplace, negotiating these issues can be very delicate and it's usually best for the employee to find a way to manage it on their own, without looking like a whiner or a problem child to the other adults they are working with.

Sorry, I just had to get that out.  There are some issues that DO require the law to step in, or some outside entity.  But I think it's almost always better for the worker to find a way to handle it themselves if possible.  It's just another part of getting along in the adult world.  I feel like the legitimate issue of harassment has been weakened to sometimes mean, "I don't like it, somebody make it stop."  90% of the time, if you don't like the way someone is treating you, it's in YOUR power,and your best interests, to be the one to make them stop.

EvilAlice - I think you and I are the same brain with different bodies!  I could not have said it any better than your words above.  I feel the same way when people say "Go to your supervisor." (though I must admit, I have advocated this path for people I think are not sufficient enough handle things on their own, and should not have. I wont be doing that anymore!)

OP - In preparation for if this guy asks you personal questions, always pause and think about the question before answering it. Then repeat the phrase that snoopygirl gave - it is neither rude nor crass, and it is effective at getting your feelings acrosss.  If he persists, keep repeating. 

I hope he never even asks you!
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Re: Why does that concern you?
« Reply #5 on: February 09, 2007, 11:09:10 AM »
I think he's a rude git.  I had a coworker, "Evan," like that.  We had another coworker who had vision problems, and I think he had a glass eye.  Evan asked me if I knew why said coworker had a glass eye.  Of course, I told Evan I'd never ask such a question.  He responded with "don't you care about people and want to know why they have vision problems?"  I couldn't believe it - he justified nosiness as being concerned!

Anyway, ignore this guy. If he asks you any questions, give him some inane answers (e.g., "The aliens from planet Crimson Tape Dispenser told me to").  Tell your coworker to do the same, and you can have a grand old time thinking of crazy things to say! 
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Re: Why does that concern you?
« Reply #6 on: February 09, 2007, 11:46:43 AM »
I think he's a rude git.  I had a coworker, "Evan," like that.  We had another coworker who had vision problems, and I think he had a glass eye.  Evan asked me if I knew why said coworker had a glass eye.  Of course, I told Evan I'd never ask such a question.  He responded with "don't you care about people and want to know why they have vision problems?"  I couldn't believe it - he justified nosiness as being concerned!

Anyway, ignore this guy. If he asks you any questions, give him some inane answers (e.g., "The aliens from planet Crimson Tape Dispenser told me to").  Tell your coworker to do the same, and you can have a grand old time thinking of crazy things to say! 


Ah.....  the busy-bodies.... gotta love them.

"I care enough not to stick my nose into their personal business."   

"If  he/she wanted me to know, they would have told me."

"That is 'need-to-know' information, and YOU don't need to know."

or, the old standby.... "That is none of your business." 

Personally, I prefer, "I do not discuss that."

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Re: Why does that concern you?
« Reply #7 on: February 09, 2007, 11:55:05 AM »
There can be a blurred boundary between polite banter and intrusive questioning. Context plays a huge role, and it can be difficult for people to discern the boundaries.

I'm not trying to justify his behaviour by any means, but there could be several reasons for it and it may be useful to tailor your response to the cause of his behaviour.

You said he was young. It's possible that he simply doesn't realize that his questions are inappropriate.
This might be a time for some quite one on one mentoring. If you have break at the same time, sit in a place where he's likely to talk to you. When he starts questioning you, maybe say "You're such a friendly person James, and I know you want to get to know everyone. We're pretty private here and like to keep work and personal situations separate. I don't think you'll get a warm response to personal questions."

Maybe his last job was a very "socially open" environment. Again, it might be an idea to take him aside and let him know the "local culture."

Or there are the persons with legitimate issues that cause them to miscue socially. One of my previous co-workers seemed, to my untrained eye, to suffer from Tourettes. I didn't ask him, but I did overlook some of his social miscues and try to lend a discreet hand when his tics seemed to be getting the better of him. He later brought it up himself and we had a very open discussion about it and some of his associated difficulties. (I hadn't known that Tourette's suffers frequently also suffer from OCD, for example.)

Then there are the "I'm like this and don't care to change" types. Those are the "Sorry James, I'd rather just discuss work thanks. Want some bean dip?" responses. Rinse and repeat.

If the situation escalates, and is maybe using personal information as gossip fodder, then it's time for a firmer response. "James, I'm going to stick to work issues only."

If the problem persists, then there maybe little you can do. It's pretty much up to the supervisor to take formal action in terms of a "lay it out" meeting or something in writing. And unless it's obvious that several people have an issue with this person, then whether or not you speak up to the supervisor will depend on your local situation.

Good luck!

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Re: Why does that concern you?
« Reply #8 on: February 09, 2007, 01:29:11 PM »

Not to single out any particular poster, but I notice that so many answers given in this part of the forum contain the advice "go to HR."  More people are employed by small companies than big giant conglomerations that have HR departments.  Sometimes I feel that advice is unhelpful.  The spirit of it, going to someone higher up who is equipped to handle it, is correct.  But the reality is, in many small businesses, the offender may be the owner, or a family member of the owner.  Even if not, office politics come into play and it's tricky to negotiate some of these situations.  Especially if you must keep the job, and continue to get along with not only the offender, but other workmates who may not see the issue from your point of view. 

The bottom line is, while no one should have to put up with being harassed, I feel that sometimes the "go to HR" answer is a little naive. 

While I can respect where you are coming from, in my multiple jobs, I have never worked at a small company.All companies I have worked for  have had large HR departments, though not always on-site.  So the small business aspect did not occur to me.  To say that the go to HR suggestive is naive, is unfair as this is EXACTLY the type of situation they get paid the big bucks to handle.  I would agree that it's not a 'one size fits all' answer, though.

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Re: Why does that concern you?
« Reply #9 on: February 09, 2007, 01:30:28 PM »
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Just out of curiosity, is this planet somewhat near the Red Stapler Planet? ;)


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Re: Why does that concern you?
« Reply #10 on: February 09, 2007, 01:37:26 PM »
You simply tell Mr Nose that you don't discuss "x" at work and if he persists you go to your manager. If that does nothing, you go to HR.
But if it's another coworker he's hassling she has to handle it herself....
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Re: Why does that concern you?
« Reply #11 on: February 09, 2007, 01:37:53 PM »
Dotty:  LOL!  I'm totally watching that movie tonight.  It's been one of "those" weeks!
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Re: Why does that concern you?
« Reply #12 on: February 09, 2007, 01:39:52 PM »
"To say that the go to HR suggestive is naive, is unfair as this is EXACTLY the type of situation they get paid the big bucks to handle.  I would agree that it's not a 'one size fits all' answer, though. "

I agree with this and the other poster.  Which makes me think that maybe people should include a bit more information their OP.  Obviously, we don't need to know "I work for ABC Company, at 123 Main Street in Smithville, AnyState."  But it *does* make a difference if there is no HR in place, or if the offender is the owner's son (or the owner!).  It helps the rest of us in giving advice.
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Re: Why does that concern you?
« Reply #13 on: February 09, 2007, 01:43:09 PM »
I think it's up to the co-worker to handle.  If he starts on you, you can just let him know that you don't appreciate personal nosy questions.  You'll have to be very firm in not answering them.  You can usually train someone to stop doing something you hate, or at least find a way to minimize your contact with them while still refusing to answer their nosy questions.  If he persists and you absolutely can't stop him, sure,  complain to someone in authority over him.  It's best if you have to do that to show what you have done on your own to solve the problem.

Not to single out any particular poster, but I notice that so many answers given in this part of the forum contain the advice "go to HR."  More people are employed by small companies than big giant conglomerations that have HR departments.  Sometimes I feel that advice is unhelpful.  The spirit of it, going to someone higher up who is equipped to handle it, is correct.  But the reality is, in many small businesses, the offender may be the owner, or a family member of the owner.  Even if not, office politics come into play and it's tricky to negotiate some of these situations.  Especially if you must keep the job, and continue to get along with not only the offender, but other workmates who may not see the issue from your point of view. 
The bottom line is, while no one should have to put up with being harassed, I feel that sometimes the "go to HR" answer is a little naive.  As though at every company there is some special department set aside to magically resolve issues for grown adults in the workplace.  The truth is, very few companies have departments like that, and it's not very practical for employees to always be calling government labor boards or lawyers or writing threatening letters, etc.  There are some things that are just unacceptable and have to be fought.  But in my experience, in a real world workplace, negotiating these issues can be very delicate and it's usually best for the employee to find a way to manage it on their own, without looking like a whiner or a problem child to the other adults they are working with.

Sorry, I just had to get that out.  There are some issues that DO require the law to step in, or some outside entity.  But I think it's almost always better for the worker to find a way to handle it themselves if possible.  It's just another part of getting along in the adult world.  I feel like the legitimate issue of harassment has been weakened to sometimes mean, "I don't like it, somebody make it stop."  90% of the time, if you don't like the way someone is treating you, it's in YOUR power,and your best interests, to be the one to make them stop.


Thank you for pointing that out, I was just about to. HR is not some sort of magic wand that will erase all your problems. Some HR departments have the biggest offensder when it comes to PC offices. Some companies have no HR. Not only that but do you want to be labled as the tattle tale or trouble maker because you run to HR for every little thing?

In some extreme circumstances its neccesary to get HR or a boss involved. Most of the time its better to deal with an annoying co-worker yourself. Liek any other annoying adult in your life.

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Re: Why does that concern you?
« Reply #14 on: February 09, 2007, 02:32:06 PM »
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Just out of curiosity, is this planet somewhat near the Red Stapler Planet? ;)



I, of course, want to know one thing about the Red Stapler Planet.  Is it in the Swingline System?  Or is that its galaxy?