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Re: For jaxsue - My brother's "ghost story"
« Reply #2400 on: September 24, 2013, 04:06:46 PM »
Please do not report someone as a war criminal based on the evidence of a spirit. Just don't. I mean, unless you intend to leave some duty officer somewhere wondering if the moon is full. Even if they didn't dismiss it out of hand, that gives them almost no actual information to go on and it would be incredibly difficult to prove. I mean, as near as I can tell, your allegation is, "He's new in town, he's black and the ghost told me he was a war criminal in the Congo 15 years ago." At best, you're going to come across looking racist; at worst, crazy and racist.

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Re: For jaxsue - My brother's "ghost story"
« Reply #2401 on: September 24, 2013, 04:30:19 PM »
And if he does murder someone else? And if he is a war criminal? I wouldn't be able to live with myself if I knew and didn't say anything and someone else's life was ruined/ended. The police would investigate. If they didn't find any supporting evidence, they're not going to arrest him because of one anonymous call.

Knew what? Nobody here knows anything. All anybody (including Dazi herself) "knows" is that the house gives her a creepy feeling and that she believes she heard a voice telling her this particular man is a war criminal. That is not evidence. That is not even a hunch. It certainly does not give anybody any kind of "knowledge" about this man or his past. It definitely doesn't give enough information to warrant jumping to the wild "ZOMG, WAR CRIMINAL, MASS MURDERER, DANGER!!!!!" assumptions that are being made about this guy, much less provide enough information to merit a call to the police. Dazi hasn't even spoken to him- for all she "knows," he isn't even from the Congo. The only concrete knowledge anybody here possesses is that he's a dark-complexioned man who is new in town. Seriously, you cannot accuse somebody of a crime (especially a serious one, like being a war criminal) on the basis of anything in this discussion. You just can't. Doing so- even suggesting doing so- is wildly irresponsible. Honestly, how would that conversation even go? "Yes, I suspect that the man living at X address is a war criminal, or at least, that he killed some people over a decade ago during the civil war in the Congo. Why? Oh, a ghost hijacked my iPod and told me." They're not going to take that seriously.
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Re: For jaxsue - My brother's "ghost story"
« Reply #2402 on: September 24, 2013, 05:11:17 PM »
And if he does murder someone else? And if he is a war criminal?

Since there's no evidence that he is a war criminal, or if he's going to murder someone, I think she's fine not to make crank calls to the police.

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« Reply #2403 on: September 24, 2013, 05:15:02 PM »
And if he does murder someone else? And if he is a war criminal?

Since there's no evidence that he is a war criminal, or if he's going to murder someone, I think she's fine not to make crank calls to the police.

And even if he is a war criminal the chances of him murdering someone else now is pretty slim - as I am sure Dazi doesn't live in a war zone. So the "what if he hurts someone else" isn't really an issue.

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Re: For jaxsue - My brother's "ghost story"
« Reply #2404 on: September 24, 2013, 05:20:51 PM »
Let me just say I have no intention of reporting this man unless he does something concrete here.  I don't want to be labeled as some crazy person by the police. 

Chances are nothing could be done here any way.

ETA
I should let y'all know I did speak to a police officer I once knew about a series of murder cases.  He thought I was having some sort of breakdown even though everything I told him turned out to be correct...and this was someone I was friendly with.  He never looked at me the same again and was worried what I might pick up from him.   

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Also, even though he may have killed, that does not necessary make him a war criminal.  He seems young, maybe late 20s or early 30s, so he would have most likely been a teenager at the time.  I can't label someone based on the say so of a ghost.  He wants to haunt him as payback and if that's good enough for him, then it's good enough for me. 
« Last Edit: September 24, 2013, 05:56:06 PM by Dazi »
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Re: For jaxsue - My brother's "ghost story"
« Reply #2405 on: September 24, 2013, 05:41:11 PM »
I had one of those "woo-hoo" occasions, too.  About 25 years ago I lived in California and had 2 mares.  My XH and I went for a trail ride.  My horse took off on me and I couldn't stop her.  I tried pulling one rein and it broke, so I pulled the other rein and it broke, too.  I knew I was coming off the horse (at over 40 mph), so I jumped free, tucked my head in, rolled, and hoped for the best.  The guy who saw this said he counted at least 20 somersaults.  My jaw was dislocated: I couldn't speak clearly or get my upper teeth anywhere near the lower jaw.  We were an hour from our car on a Sunday afternoon.

Back then I was being treated by a cranial osteopath for my TMJ.  I called his office when we finally got home, about 2 hours later.  I knew his office wasn't open on Sunday evenings, but I thought I would leave a message.  The doctor answered his office phone.  He said he was at his son's birthday party when he heard me scream and he knew I needed him.  He wrapped up at the b'day party and went into his office to wait for my call.  He realigned my jaw that night.

We didn't find out about the fractured skull until I had X-rays a week later.

I am an engineer and I believe there is a logical, scientific explanation for all "unexplained phenomenon."  String theory may explain this eventually.  I suspect the doctor and I were on the same frequency because he had worked on me (hands on my head) for an hour a week for at least a year.  That's the only explanation I have.

I still get chicken skin when I remember how surprised shocked stunned I was when he answered his office phone.
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Re: For jaxsue - My brother's "ghost story"
« Reply #2406 on: September 24, 2013, 06:20:56 PM »
Let me just say I have no intention of reporting this man unless he does something concrete here.  I don't want to be labeled as some crazy person by the police. 

Chances are nothing could be done here any way.

ETA
I should let y'all know I did speak to a police officer I once knew about a series of murder cases.  He thought I was having some sort of breakdown even though everything I told him turned out to be correct...and this was someone I was friendly with. He never looked at me the same again and was worried what I might pick up from him.   

ETA again
Also, even though he may have killed, that does not necessary make him a war criminal.  He seems young, maybe late 20s or early 30s, so he would have most likely been a teenager at the time.  I can't label someone based on the say so of a ghost.  He wants to haunt him as payback and if that's good enough for him, then it's good enough for me.

Re the bolded: Dad's often said the same thing about his second sight or whatever people want to call it. I try not to talk about seeing ghosts unless I know that the person believes in ghosts and won't be freaked out. I've actually started to sense ghosts and other spirits better as I've gotten older.

But the people I have told have really never looked at me the same. Granted, talking about a ghost rubbing your back quite calmly tends to bother people, but I'm not going to flip out about a being who has never once tried to harm me.




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Re: For jaxsue - My brother's "ghost story"
« Reply #2407 on: September 25, 2013, 05:21:37 AM »
So I just got a new job in another nursing home that is also pretty haunted. It was originally an old house of some sort and the maintenance man confirmed to me that in the old basement it used to have a morgue in it. He said that some agency made them dry wall over the entrance to the morgue and all the supplies were still inside. Bummer.

This basement is super haunted. I have to go to the basement to dispose of sharps and the other day I was down there and as usual I say hi to the spirits down there. When I was getting ready to leave by the water heater I felt those electronic cobwebs (if you've ever been touched you'll know what I'm talking about). I asked if anyone was touching me and the next thing I know the sleeve of my shirt life up on my arm like someone was suspending it in midair...all the while feeling this rush of electrical charge. I stay down there for a few minutes to make sure it wasn't a draft (it wasn't). Love it.

I just recently bought an P-SB7 spirit box which scans FM/AM radio frequencies at a super fast rate so that ghostly voices can communicate. I was pretty skeptical on this device until I used it on our last investigation to Prospect Place in Ohio. What convinced me was when this male voice kept saying, "leave" "go" etc and then when I went back in the room he called me a bad name that would not make it past the FCC radio censors so I know it had to be genuine.

I investigated my first residence this weekend at an apartment complex where many of my friends had ghostly encounters. Of course we were using the spirit box and we had received a string of expletives that once again would not make it past the FCC. We had holed ourselves up in her kid's room with the door shut when one of her kids opened the door and as soon as she did a male voice on the spirit box said, "shut the door". And then at some point I asked the $1,000,000 question, "Are you human". We heard what sounded like a really really high pitched voice say "human" but when we relistened to it it definitely said, "demon". We were only there for a few hours. Cannot wait to do an all night investigation there soon. The spirit box is an amazing piece of equipment but you have to use it responsibly.
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Re: For jaxsue - My brother's "ghost story"
« Reply #2408 on: September 25, 2013, 07:49:07 AM »
Let me just say I have no intention of reporting this man unless he does something concrete here.  I don't want to be labeled as some crazy person by the police. 

Chances are nothing could be done here any way.

ETA
I should let y'all know I did speak to a police officer I once knew about a series of murder cases.  He thought I was having some sort of breakdown even though everything I told him turned out to be correct...and this was someone I was friendly with.  He never looked at me the same again and was worried what I might pick up from him.   

ETA again
Also, even though he may have killed, that does not necessary make him a war criminal.  He seems young, maybe late 20s or early 30s, so he would have most likely been a teenager at the time.  I can't label someone based on the say so of a ghost.  He wants to haunt him as payback and if that's good enough for him, then it's good enough for me.

Since the only evidence you have is the word of a ghost- which you are choosing not to verify- for all you know this man killed in self-defense and the ghost is evil. Let's please not toss around words  like "war criminal" here.
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Re: For jaxsue - My brother's "ghost story"
« Reply #2409 on: September 26, 2013, 02:36:07 AM »


Since the only evidence you have is the word of a ghost- which you are choosing not to verify- for all you know this man killed in self-defense and the ghost is evil. Let's please not toss around words  like "war criminal" here.

I'd go even farther and point out she has no proof he's Congolese let alone any sort of killer.
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Re: For jaxsue - My brother's "ghost story"
« Reply #2410 on: October 01, 2013, 08:45:10 AM »
Something strange happened last night.  I was in bed but not asleep.  I suddenly feel weird and panicky and couldn't move.  Whenever I felt I could roll over to turn on the lamp, I couldn't even though I kept struggling to do so.  The feeling of panic and helplessness was awful.  My body and the air around me didn't feel right.  I kept thinking it was *someone* or *something* that's causing it, but I don't know; that may just be in my head.  I don't know how long it lasted. 

It gradually faded and I was normal again.  It's never happened to me before, and since it was the middle of the night, I got crazy ideas of aliens or something worse.  I'm positive I was awake, but I'm still trying to convince myself it was a vivid dream.  But I can't convince myself 100%.  There were too many details.  I always know when it's a dream and this wasn't it.  I just hope it never happens again.
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Re: For jaxsue - My brother's "ghost story"
« Reply #2411 on: October 01, 2013, 09:00:52 AM »
Something strange happened last night.  I was in bed but not asleep.  I suddenly feel weird and panicky and couldn't move.  Whenever I felt I could roll over to turn on the lamp, I couldn't even though I kept struggling to do so.  The feeling of panic and helplessness was awful.  My body and the air around me didn't feel right.  I kept thinking it was *someone* or *something* that's causing it, but I don't know; that may just be in my head.  I don't know how long it lasted. 

It gradually faded and I was normal again.  It's never happened to me before, and since it was the middle of the night, I got crazy ideas of aliens or something worse.  I'm positive I was awake, but I'm still trying to convince myself it was a vivid dream.  But I can't convince myself 100%.  There were too many details.  I always know when it's a dream and this wasn't it.  I just hope it never happens again.

Sounds like sleep paralysis to me. (http://www.webmd.com/sleep-disorders/guide/sleep-paralysis)  I've had that happen a few times.  The first time when I was a teenager, I was really shaken by it and kept thinking it was a botched alien abduction.  I remember seeing a light above my bed, not being able to move, but feeling fully awake with my eyes open.  I could see my sister in the bed across the room, but couldn't call out to her.  People experience some weird stuff during sleep paralysis.

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Re: For jaxsue - My brother's "ghost story"
« Reply #2412 on: October 01, 2013, 10:05:32 AM »
^ I hope that's it and I hope it never happens again.  I'm just glad I didn't "see" anything.

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« Reply #2413 on: October 01, 2013, 10:16:49 AM »
Something strange happened last night.  I was in bed but not asleep.  I suddenly feel weird and panicky and couldn't move.  Whenever I felt I could roll over to turn on the lamp, I couldn't even though I kept struggling to do so.  The feeling of panic and helplessness was awful.  My body and the air around me didn't feel right.  I kept thinking it was *someone* or *something* that's causing it, but I don't know; that may just be in my head.  I don't know how long it lasted. 

It gradually faded and I was normal again.  It's never happened to me before, and since it was the middle of the night, I got crazy ideas of aliens or something worse.  I'm positive I was awake, but I'm still trying to convince myself it was a vivid dream.  But I can't convince myself 100%.  There were too many details.  I always know when it's a dream and this wasn't it.  I just hope it never happens again.

Sounds like sleep paralysis to me. (http://www.webmd.com/sleep-disorders/guide/sleep-paralysis)  I've had that happen a few times.  The first time when I was a teenager, I was really shaken by it and kept thinking it was a botched alien abduction.  I remember seeing a light above my bed, not being able to move, but feeling fully awake with my eyes open.  I could see my sister in the bed across the room, but couldn't call out to her.  People experience some weird stuff during sleep paralysis.

Oh yeah, I could write a book on the weird stuff I've experienced with sleep paralysis! It is very frightening and I was absolutely terrified the first time it happened (sometime in college). The worst part for me is that I panic because I can't move and then I have trouble breathing. I've started trying a few techniques to break myself out of it and one that's worked well is telling myself to calm down and that all I need to do is just move a toe and I'll be free. I concentrate very hard on moving my foot and eventually it works.

It's so bizarre to me because in my mind, I am flailing all over the place trying to move and the lights are flickering and weird noises are playing, but my husband has watched me have an episode and says I just lie there abnormally still. It's a bit crazy that the muscles I feel trying to move are literally just doing nothing.

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Re: For jaxsue - My brother's "ghost story"
« Reply #2414 on: October 01, 2013, 10:31:53 AM »
One strange thing about last night was that I can feel a thread from my blanket get caught on my big toe.  I remember thinking what a strange thing to focus on while all the weirdness was happening.  When I got normal again, there was no loose thread.

Sorry for the derailment.