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Not tested on animals, really?

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platys:
This is from another thread that I didn't want to hijack. :)

Now, I'm against animal cruelty, but honestly, I don't pay much attention to the "not tested on animals" labels on products.  Why?   Because even those products that say they weren't tested on animals probably at least had their component substances tested at some point.   This is from Wikipedia's article (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_testing):


--- Quote ---Cosmetics manufacturers who genuinely do not test on animals generally use the following for safety testing of their products:

    * reliance on existing natural or synthetic ingredients, compounds and substances, which have already been extensively tested on animals;
    * avoiding novel ingredients or combinations of ingredients that have not been fully tested and may not be safe;
    * testing on human volunteers/clinical trials.

--- End quote ---

Twik:
Why specifically is this a problem for you, platys? Most of this testing has been done many years ago. The company currently using it didn't even pay for it - they used databases of medical/scientific data.

Would you be happy putting something in your eye, or swallowing it, if you knew that the makers had absolutely no data about how live organisms responded to it?

Edited to add: I misread platys's opening post, I think - she did not say this was a problem (as in would refuse to use something because someone 30 years ago did an animal test on one of the products). I apologize for the misunderstanding.

Telmereth:
I think the important thing to remember, is that a lot of the chemicals or substances in cosmetic products have to be tested in this way because they are also used in other things, such as food or medical products. Obviously in these applications the safety of a substance must be verified and, at least for now, there really is only the one way to do that.

platys:
I meant to say, that at least here in the US, even products that are labeled "not tested on animals" have probably had their componet parts tested by someone.  The label just means that that particular company either didn't test the parts, or haven't tested the end product.  They are piggy backing on years of research financed by other companies - companies that now get a bad rap for "testing on animals". 

Lunadiana75:
I refuse to buy animal tested products.  It's very easy to obtain a list of companies that cruelty free and companies that are lying about cruelty free.  There is somuch more I want to say, but it's not this isn't the appropriate place.

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