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Author Topic: S/O Locked topic - can we see why?  (Read 59945 times)

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Re: S/O Locked topic - can we see why?
« Reply #90 on: August 29, 2013, 12:03:20 PM »
Lillblu, see this post in this very thread: http://www.etiquettehell.com/smf/index.php?topic=37207.msg2981632#msg2981632

The answer to your question is right there.

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Re: S/O Locked topic - can we see why?
« Reply #91 on: March 18, 2015, 06:07:10 PM »
A thread about instant justice in the coffee break folder was locked and I don't understand why. Could anyone please explain? Thank you.

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Re: S/O Locked topic - can we see why?
« Reply #92 on: March 18, 2015, 06:14:29 PM »
A thread about instant justice in the coffee break folder was locked and I don't understand why. Could anyone please explain? Thank you.

As I recall - someone brought up a news story about a family that bought dogs intending to sell the puppies and then went off on vacation without making arrangements for anyone to come in to care for the animals.  It was so far over the line for the subject that the thread was locked immediately.  Rudeness is acceptable - under most circumstances.  Animal cruelty and legal issues are not acceptable, as they are outside the arena of "etiquette".
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Re: S/O Locked topic - can we see why?
« Reply #93 on: March 18, 2015, 06:20:48 PM »
Sure, although you and others might disagree with my reasoning. I mentioned I closed it because someone posted about starving dogs. I am a dog lover, like a lot of people here, and while that's instant justice for the family to lose their dogs, my fear is that it was likely instant sadness for those poor dogs who were probably euthanized. Now, of course I don't know if that was the outcome but IMO the owners would be slapped with a misdemeanor fine for animal cruelty and the dogs, well, I only suspect what happened.

So that's why.
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Re: S/O Locked topic - can we see why?
« Reply #94 on: March 18, 2015, 06:30:05 PM »
Sure, although you and others might disagree with my reasoning. I mentioned I closed it because someone posted about starving dogs. I am a dog lover, like a lot of people here, and while that's instant justice for the family to lose their dogs, my fear is that it was likely instant sadness for those poor dogs who were probably euthanized. Now, of course I don't know if that was the outcome but IMO the owners would be slapped with a misdemeanor fine for animal cruelty and the dogs, well, I only suspect what happened.

So that's why.

Honestly wondering here, but why couldn't the offensive post be deleted and the thread left open?  It has been done before on other long running threads.

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Re: S/O Locked topic - can we see why?
« Reply #95 on: March 18, 2015, 06:33:38 PM »
Well, but there was another post in that same thread where the parents had taken an infant for off roading.  Vehicle got stuck, and mother and infant died from carbon monoxide poisoning while dad went to look for help to pull the vehicle out.

Again, a very distasteful ending for what should be somewhat more lighthearted.  Infant didn't do anything wrong, and in fact parents didn't realize that exhaust line was plugged.  But 2 people died. 
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Re: S/O Locked topic - can we see why?
« Reply #96 on: March 18, 2015, 07:02:48 PM »
That's exactly why. The first disgusting post was not deleted in order to inform others that that type of "instant justice" was anything but, considering 2 people died.

The next day someone posted about starving dogs who were likely put down, though I don't know for sure but I do know that that is more often than not the result. If posters want to keep long running threads going, read any post that has the blue stars because it might tell be important.
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Re: S/O Locked topic - can we see why?
« Reply #97 on: March 18, 2015, 07:44:52 PM »
I totally agree the first story was completely inappropriate.  I don't happen to agree about the story about the dogs.  You admit you don't know they were put down, and more often they aren't anymore.  Especially puppies....they are rehabilitated and adopted out.  Not once did I think that they went on to demise, but was grateful that they had been saved and more than likely found new families.

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Re: S/O Locked topic - can we see why?
« Reply #98 on: March 18, 2015, 08:21:38 PM »
I really appreciate that some mods tell us why the thread was locked. I do get a bit frustrated when some threads are locked and I'm not sure why. Often, I read a few posts back and find there is a lot of bickering going on or the poster keeps JADE and not really absorbing the comments, but sometimes I am at a loss, even though I know about the legal and medical restrictions; so sometimes I just don't get it.

What kind of errors or overstepping might I be doing that I'm not aware of that might be close to closure, but not quite?

I do appreciate when I report posts I think are inappropriate and can't find them later - just gone, so most of us have not seen. I know when my reason for reporting it is "Advertisement" or "Porn" or "TMI" is acted upon, but I often wonder if 35 (or some random number) report the same thing, or if the mod sees my report and says, "Holy-moley! That has to be taken care of now!" or " Luci is such a dog!" I really don't want a personal "thanks, Luci".  I just want to be taken care of.

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Re: S/O Locked topic - can we see why?
« Reply #99 on: March 18, 2015, 09:22:33 PM »
I wondered why that thread got locked because I thought that dog story had a happy ending since they got rescued. Now that I read the thought behind it, I can't decide what to think.

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Re: S/O Locked topic - can we see why?
« Reply #100 on: March 18, 2015, 09:53:07 PM »
I think if a thread is requiring frequent mod intervention it's a fair call for them to close it given the culture they want to maintain at eHell.   Where a topic is contentious or continually heading in an inappropriate direction sometimes they have to make a judgment call to close it to avoid having to spend all their time censuring posters.   Kind of like a parent removing a toy that gets fought over too frequently, even if the specific incidences are minor.

Reading all the mod posts regularly is a good way to stay aware of what issues have come up and what to steer clear of, it's generally pretty easy to understand their reasoning after awhile.
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Re: S/O Locked topic - can we see why?
« Reply #101 on: March 19, 2015, 12:23:57 PM »
Sure, although you and others might disagree with my reasoning. I mentioned I closed it because someone posted about starving dogs. I am a dog lover, like a lot of people here, and while that's instant justice for the family to lose their dogs, my fear is that it was likely instant sadness for those poor dogs who were probably euthanized. Now, of course I don't know if that was the outcome but IMO the owners would be slapped with a misdemeanor fine for animal cruelty and the dogs, well, I only suspect what happened.

So that's why.

Ok but I don't really get it. The family got instant justice against and there was no further mention of the dogs. Doesn't assuming that something bad happened to them mean that you are imposing your personal fears on the thread?

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Re: S/O Locked topic - can we see why?
« Reply #102 on: March 19, 2015, 12:27:41 PM »
I think it's more of "(collective) you have been warned about stories that involve gruesomeness" and there's immediately another gruesome story.
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Re: S/O Locked topic - can we see why?
« Reply #103 on: March 19, 2015, 01:00:18 PM »
There's that, and there's plain old time constraints.

Sometimes a thread is very interesting, valuable even.  But it's also high maintenance, for lack of a better term, and requires babysitting.  Babysitting requires time.  Sometimes I have the time: I recall a shoe thread that went on and on for pages and, while I had to step in a few times, the vast majority of posters were participating well and a lot of good ideas were put forth: cultural differences within and between nations and ethnic groups, local and regional practices and their origins, and so forth.  Great discussion.  Then a couple of people stepped in and derailed it, and I had to close it.  The time the thread needed from me exceeded the time I had to give.


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Re: S/O Locked topic - can we see why?
« Reply #104 on: March 19, 2015, 01:28:57 PM »
I understand the mods' point of view, but I do think that this specific example was a tad unfortunate. I say that because, judging from other reactions, I find it entirely possible that the person who posted the dog story was unaware of it being possibly offensive. Perhaps that person truly thought that the dogs had gotten a happy end in that story (and for all we know, they might have). I'm not trying to argue here, but if I may make a suggestion to the mods: Would it be possible in cases like this (while the thread is still open, of course), that when a mod or admin posts a warning in the thread, that they specify what exactly should be avoided in order for the thread to be left open?
For example, in the Instant Justice thread, the warning would have said "no upsetting content regardless of outcome". Which to some would be obvious, but others might have thought upsetting content with a happy end would be fine. So being more specific could potentially save a couple of threads in the future. (Of course I know that it's impossible to think of everything, but just making the difference between "this was an inappropriate post" and "any post about X is inappropriate", you know?)