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Sandi Papaya

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Re: Sidebar: Keep yourself away from my dog...
« Reply #15 on: December 15, 2006, 03:49:39 PM »
I'm not really a dog person, as far as keeping a dog. I like dogs well enough, but I'm scared of big dogs. Even so, I would never make the assumption that petting a stranger's dog is OK without their permission. If I've been turned down, I've usually been turned down politely, and I don't make a fuss. Not every dog likes new people, not every dog likes being touched or petted, especially by strangers, and that's OK with me.

I really, really don't understand people who will shove their kids over to "pet the nice doggie" without the "nice doggie's" owner's permission. That's just rude and presumptuous, and ASKING for your kid to get bitten if the dog isn't used to kids or just doesn't really feel comfortable around strangers or what have you.

I was nipped by a small but very protective beagle when I was a year old. I was visiting my great-uncle and his family (my mom's cousins) in Panama, and the dog did not like it when people approached my great-uncle - Neno was very protective of Uncle. I, of course, didn't know or understand this, so I ran up to my great-uncle to carry me when the dog was at his feet, but when my mom tried to pull me away - too late, damage done. The dog nipped me, I cried and made a fuss and was afraid of dogs for a long time after that. I was even afraid of Boogie, my aunt's mutt (also part beagle) when we got back home to the States. Boogie adored me and I adored him, but my experience with Neno stuck with me for a while. Of course, I don't remember this myself, but my mom told me the story when I was older.

Once I got over my fear of dogs, I've always been very careful to ask an owner permission to pet or approach a dog in any way if I like the dog and feel inclined to pet it. But it took me a long time to even get to that point; it took until I was about 15 or 16 to feel really comfortable around dogs and not give them a wide berth.

Another pet peeve of mine is people who want to pet guide dogs or companion animals for the disabled.

When I was in college, we had a blind student who actually had a little sign, tooled out of leather, that read, "Please don't pet me. I'm on duty right now," on his guide dog's lead. I thought it was pretty sad that it was necessary for him to do that. We actually had a couple of classes together and I got friendly with him, to the point where, when Doggie (I forget his name) was off-duty, ie, resting before class, I was allowed to pet the dog. I took to carrying a bowl in my backpack to offer the dog a drink of water before class if it was a particularly hot day (which it sometimes could be, given that the town I went to college in has a semi-arid climate). The blind student said I was the first person he'd given permission to approach the dog because I respected the dog when he was working, to which I responded, "Well, I can read, and I know better than to approach a guide dog when he's working." He also noted that I was the first person who had ever been kind enough to offer his dog water on hot days. I thought that was pretty sad, too.

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Re: Sidebar: Keep yourself away from my dog...
« Reply #16 on: December 19, 2006, 11:58:10 AM »
A polite "please don't pet my dogs" should be enough to discourage most people. 

I will always ask permission from the owner of a leashed or otherwise restrained dog before attempting to pet.  However, if an unleashed dog approaches me in a friendly manner, I assume that the owner, by refusing to control his dog, has given implicit permission to any and all to pet the dog, and so I will. 


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Re: Sidebar: Keep yourself away from my dog...
« Reply #17 on: December 19, 2006, 07:55:39 PM »
However, if an unleashed dog approaches me in a friendly manner, I assume that the owner, by refusing to control his dog, has given implicit permission to any and all to pet the dog, and so I will. 

My neighbors have a cute little Maltipoo who always runs around loose and has claimed our backyard as part of her "territory." I have to fish her out of our yard constantly, so I pet her and play with her to get her to come with me. I figure, if the neighbors wouldn't have wanted her to get loose, they'd have her on a leash. She's not leash-trained; they just let her run loose.

The bad thing is, she's always in our driveway or in the street, too. One of these days she's going to get squooshed, and I hope it's not by me or my mom. I don't want to be responsible for doing that to the poor dog.

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Re: Sidebar: Keep yourself away from my dog...
« Reply #18 on: December 19, 2006, 10:15:12 PM »
However, if an unleashed dog approaches me in a friendly manner, I assume that the owner, by refusing to control his dog, has given implicit permission to any and all to pet the dog, and so I will. 

My neighbors have a cute little Maltipoo who always runs around loose and has claimed our backyard as part of her "territory." I have to fish her out of our yard constantly, so I pet her and play with her to get her to come with me. I figure, if the neighbors wouldn't have wanted her to get loose, they'd have her on a leash. She's not leash-trained; they just let her run loose.

The bad thing is, she's always in our driveway or in the street, too. One of these days she's going to get squooshed, and I hope it's not by me or my mom. I don't want to be responsible for doing that to the poor dog.

You've hit the nail right on the head!  That's the problem with people who let their dogs run free (beyond the obvious bathroom and approaching innocent bystander issues).  My best friend's sister used to let her dog run around town while she was at work.  She said it was ok, because the dog "knew to stay on the sidewalk."  I'm sorry, but there's no way the dog could know that.  And it didn't.  The dog was eventually hit by a car and killed.  This is really sad for the dog, but I feel for the driver too.  If I ever hit a dog, I would be reeeeeeally upset.  I was in a car that hit a dog when I was 14, and, 11 years later, I still remember it as a horrible experience.  I think it's incredibly rude to put people in a position where they might accidentally hurt an animal.

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Re: Sidebar: Keep yourself away from my dog...
« Reply #19 on: December 19, 2006, 10:43:40 PM »
People who let their dogs run around unleashed are going beyond bad etiquette - they're probably breaking the law. States have different leash/fence laws, but if a domesticated animal is running around a city street, that's probably illegal. Which means that if, for example, someone let their dog run around the street because it was allegedly "trained to stay on the sidewalk" and that dog caused any sort of accident, the owner might be civily liable for any damages.  Animal laws are designed for the safety of animals and humans.  I live in a very pet-friendly city, and it just drives me crazy to see people putting their beloved animals - and their neighbors - in harm's way like that.

Not to hijak the thread, but I have an interesting story on this topic.  My BIL recently brought home a new rescue dog from the pound.  She (we'll call her "Dog") is large, but still a puppy. She's also really friendly, but not very well socialized.  Anyway, my in-laws were watching the Dog while BIL was out of town.  They weren't sure yet how Dog would get along with other pets, but their dog had recently passed away so they were able to pet-sit without this being a problem.  Anyway, the weather was nice that weekend so in-laws had Dog in their enclosed back yard while they ran some errands.  I'm unsure of the exact details here, but apparently while they were gone, their neighbor decided to walk her own dog: a small, purebred puppy.  She noticed Dog in the backyard and decided - not knowing Dog well and seeing that Dog was locked up - to "introduce" the two animals. I'm not sure if she actually opened the gate or just took her little puppy up to to the gate, but apparently Dog got excited and picked up the little dog to play with it.  Because little dog is so small and Dog wasn't playing gently enough, little dog's neck broke and it ended up havign to be put down.   In-law's didn't even know what had happened at first, they just got home and found Dog wandering around the neighborhood - neighbor hadn't even locked her back up before running off to take her puppy to the vet!  I know that this was just an innocent mistake by the neighbor, but I was flabberghasted that she would take her dog up a dog she knew nothing about like that.

Footnote: thank goodness In-laws and neighbors are all friends. Neighbor was upset, but apologised for the whole thing. In-laws offered to buy her a new dog, but she declined, and everything is okay between them all.

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Re: Sidebar: Keep yourself away from my dog...
« Reply #20 on: December 20, 2006, 08:55:18 AM »
You know I have the reverse problem of wanting to pet critters (I do, I love little critters) My sister claims I have "the Dr. Do-little Syndrome" they all want to pet ME.

This can get very embarrassing around service animals. Most of the time it is the service animals not the guide dogs that do this to me. (better focus training for the guide dogs?)

Have you ever had a Great Pyrenees sit on your foot?  Trust me you notice, and is hard to get them to move.  (had that happen at a computer show once, I was looking at a table of stuff when I got sat on.  My friend asked if I was ready to go yet. I told him I would when I got my foot out from under dog. Nice lady in wheelchair smacked dog (I think she might have misplaced one hair on dog.) and scolded her)

Also had another service dog (golden retriever) almost drag his Lady over to where I was sitting talking to someone else. (not paying attention or talking at him) Of course that dog is a nitwit anyway. I watched him put a telephone pole between himself and his Lady one day (he was on a leash at the time) He was helping her pull her wheelchair up a hill so you would think that he would notice a little thing like drag.  She laughs at him and adds it to the dingy dog stories.

Usually I say something on the order of "I can't pet you now, you are supposed to be working" which gets the owners attention and they remove leaning dog.

Gessh - you would think that since I have fingers they should be attached to their ears skirching.
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Re: Sidebar: Keep yourself away from my dog...
« Reply #21 on: December 20, 2006, 12:44:58 PM »
Usually they back off then, but more than once I've been told "It's ok, I'm sure he doesn't bite."

My sister had the same problem.  Her dog was very friendly but easily spooked, just because he had never bitten anyone didn't mean it couldn't happen. They are animals and no matter how nice and well trained they will always be animals. 
My sister used to get mad because she knew that those same people would insist he be put down for biting their children even though it wouldn't have happend if they had just listened.

(My sister ended up giving her dog away because her two year old and him just didn't get along and she didn't want either of them to be hurt.  It broke her heart, but the dog got a good home)