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Rather than reconstruct the quote tree, I'll just reply.

I didn't say there were no government conspiracies; I just don't think they are common because government is too disorganized.

The examples given are mostly "spy stores" - Agencies like NSA, FBI, & CIA.  Secrets and conspiracies are their bread & butter.  For 90% of government workers, secrets are in the "who is sleeping with whom" category.
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In Canada it has either been "who is paying off whom/stealing from whom" or in a few cases, "which high-ranking official is coming in to work drunk or high".* I'm honestly surprised at what people get away with for years at a time before being outed.




*Google Rob Ford. Go ahead. I dare you. ;D It's hilarious as long as you don't have to live in Toronto.
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Love this time of the year.  School starts next week and we have scores of parents coming to get the required reading for their offspring.  I was helping at the desk and looked up the title Mom wanted.

LD: Sorry, our 5 copies are checked out. I can place a request in the system.
MOM: Well, I'm just going to have to go to (neighboring city) to check out a copy. [This said in a tone that I should be embarrassed at this prospect.]
LD: Here let me check their system.  We cannot get it, but let's check before you drive there.  Oh, their 3 copies are checked out.  I'll be glad to put a request in our system.
MOM: No, so, you're telling me I'll have to buy it.  (Again, disgusted tone of voice.)

We finished our conversation.  She moved into magic thinking by continuing to stand to the side (similar to behavior described in another thread). It was as if I was going to make a copy of the book appear because she was still there.   ::)

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Love this time of the year.  School starts next week and we have scores of parents coming to get the required reading for their offspring.  I was helping at the desk and looked up the title Mom wanted.

LD: Sorry, our 5 copies are checked out. I can place a request in the system.
MOM: Well, I'm just going to have to go to (neighboring city) to check out a copy. [This said in a tone that I should be embarrassed at this prospect.]
LD: Here let me check their system.  We cannot get it, but let's check before you drive there.  Oh, their 3 copies are checked out.  I'll be glad to put a request in our system.
MOM: No, so, you're telling me I'll have to buy it.  (Again, disgusted tone of voice.)

We finished our conversation.  She moved into magic thinking by continuing to stand to the side (similar to behavior described in another thread). It was as if I was going to make a copy of the book appear because she was still there.   ::)

You're lucky that all she did. When I worked at a university library, I was subbing at the Reserve Desk one afternoon. There was a run on a particular book for one course that day--the moment someone returned it, someone else was at the desk asking for it.

At about 3 pm, a guy came to the desk and asked for the book. I told him it was checked out and due back at 5 pm. The kid basically threw a temper tantrum at the desk. Apparently, the class was having a quiz on the book that day--and class started at 5 pm. "They can't keep the book for three hours, " he yelled. "They can take the book and copy and then they have to bring it right back!" I believe there was some desk pounding, as well. 

The student demanded the name of the student who had the book, which I was not allowed to give out. So he started a search of the library, all 8 floors of it, looking for the poor student who had the book.

Half an hour later, he was back, without the book. It still hadn't been returned. But, the original student had picked up 6 or 7 of his classmates while on his search, and they were all standing at the desk, getting angrier and angrier.

I don't know where the kid who had the book was holed up in the library, but I was beginning to get worried about what would happen if s/he came up the desk while the mob was there. And I use the word "mob" on purpose--those students were angry.

I found an excuse to take a book out back and called Security while I was there. The security guard came and watch the group for a few minutes, as they kept talking and yelling and getting madder and madder. Then he called for the other security guard, and they made the group break up and leave the building, with the kids threatening to sue the guards because now they were going to fail their quiz because they weren't allowed to read the Reserve book.

Did I mention that it was the last week of the semester, and these kids had most likely known about having to read that book for 13 weeks? Waiting until a couple of hours before the class and quiz seemed like a lack of planning on their part. Not that I was going to say that to any of them.
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Did I mention that it was the last week of the semester, and these kids had most likely known about having to read that book for 13 weeks? Waiting until a couple of hours before the class and quiz seemed like a lack of planning on their part. Not that I was going to say that to any of them.
Their lack of planning does not constitute an emergency on your part, camlan. ;)
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I do know someone who went to the Manchester NH airport to pick up someone flying in for business, only he'd been sent to Manchester, England.

When I worked for Major American Airline, I had a customer call up and want to know why his flight was so long, I looked at his ticket and told him there was a time change. He said, I'm staying in the same state, there is no time change.

He wanted to go to Rochester, NY. He was booked to go to Rochester, MN. I fixed that for him and refunded the difference.

(He was kind of perturbed though that anyone would ever think he would want to go to Minnesota. "What's in Rochester, Minnesota, anyway? Why would anyone visit there?" "The Mayo Clinic is there, sir, I sell a ticket to that destination at least once a month." At least he had the good grace to be a little chagrined.)

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Considering what I have seen in my 15 years in state government, I sincerely doubt that the government conspiracies even exist.  There is too much laziness, guesswork, poor decisions, and general loose lips for me to be anything but the cynical cuss I am today.

Oh, they definitely do happen - witness the news about the NSA collecting Americans' phone records en masse and how other agencies now want access to that database.  Obviously that particular situation has been going on for a while (no one will say how long), but it sounds like knowledge about it was restricted to the NSA.

Now, I'll definitely grant you that *most* conspiracies that people worry about aren't happening - we didn't fake the moon landing, we're not implanting mind-control drugs in corn flakes, etc.  But I think it's a bit naive to say that no conspiracies exist, given that we have big scandal exposés probably about once a year   :-\

To me that is more a demonstration that the government can try to keep a secret but doesn't seem to be very good at it. Especially in this digital, everybody-is-connected internet age.

There are secrets that government and public officials have kept for long periods of time before being suspected/found out. But it is generally secrets that very few people know anything about. As soon as people know enough to ask questions, you've lost control of your info.

I do agree with you about the digital age. It is really hard to shut someone up or deal with the fallout when they are tweeting to the entire internet (much to the chagrin of officials who have outed themselves). ;D

The problem with most of the big conspiracy theories out there (911-tuthers and the others with the "truth" about recent tragedies) is that they would require the cooperation of hundreds, if not thousands, of people. Man of whom would have no particular motivation to conceal the conspiracy and plenty of motivation to expose it. My favorites are the alt-med people who are insisting that the entire evidence-based medical establishment are conspiring to hide tremendous, earth-shattering truths. Truth be told, it's nearly impossible to get three doctors to agree on a difficult diagnosis, much less keep some major secret. Or that the moon landings were faked. The sheer number of people who worked on the space program through the 60s is staggering -- and someone expects us to believe that they all kept this big secret?

It is possible for the government to keep a secret, but the more people who know it, the greater the risk it will be revealed. The NSA stuff got leaked as did the FBI's domestic spying in the 60s. Sustaining a conspiracy with a large number of people for a long time is nearly impossible.

What's that Ben Franklin quote? "Three can keep a secret, if two of them are dead."

See also, Occam's Razor :)

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Move on from the conspiracy theories, please.
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Love this time of the year.  School starts next week and we have scores of parents coming to get the required reading for their offspring.  I was helping at the desk and looked up the title Mom wanted.

LD: Sorry, our 5 copies are checked out. I can place a request in the system.
MOM: Well, I'm just going to have to go to (neighboring city) to check out a copy. [This said in a tone that I should be embarrassed at this prospect.]
LD: Here let me check their system.  We cannot get it, but let's check before you drive there.  Oh, their 3 copies are checked out.  I'll be glad to put a request in our system.
MOM: No, so, you're telling me I'll have to buy it.  (Again, disgusted tone of voice.)

We finished our conversation.  She moved into magic thinking by continuing to stand to the side (similar to behavior described in another thread). It was as if I was going to make a copy of the book appear because she was still there.   ::)

You're lucky that all she did. When I worked at a university library, I was subbing at the Reserve Desk one afternoon. There was a run on a particular book for one course that day--the moment someone returned it, someone else was at the desk asking for it.

At about 3 pm, a guy came to the desk and asked for the book. I told him it was checked out and due back at 5 pm. The kid basically threw a temper tantrum at the desk. Apparently, the class was having a quiz on the book that day--and class started at 5 pm. "They can't keep the book for three hours, " he yelled. "They can take the book and copy and then they have to bring it right back!" I believe there was some desk pounding, as well. 

The student demanded the name of the student who had the book, which I was not allowed to give out. So he started a search of the library, all 8 floors of it, looking for the poor student who had the book.

Half an hour later, he was back, without the book. It still hadn't been returned. But, the original student had picked up 6 or 7 of his classmates while on his search, and they were all standing at the desk, getting angrier and angrier.

I don't know where the kid who had the book was holed up in the library, but I was beginning to get worried about what would happen if s/he came up the desk while the mob was there. And I use the word "mob" on purpose--those students were angry.

I found an excuse to take a book out back and called Security while I was there. The security guard came and watch the group for a few minutes, as they kept talking and yelling and getting madder and madder. Then he called for the other security guard, and they made the group break up and leave the building, with the kids threatening to sue the guards because now they were going to fail their quiz because they weren't allowed to read the Reserve book.

Did I mention that it was the last week of the semester, and these kids had most likely known about having to read that book for 13 weeks? Waiting until a couple of hours before the class and quiz seemed like a lack of planning on their part. Not that I was going to say that to any of them.

Ugh, that sort of thing has happened to me many times (I also work at a university library), though fortunately a mob has never gathered. Students angry and panicking because the book they need for an exam is checked out and oh did I mention the exam is in 2 hours? Lack of planning and all that...


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Did I mention that it was the last week of the semester, and these kids had most likely known about having to read that book for 13 weeks? Waiting until a couple of hours before the class and quiz seemed like a lack of planning on their part. Not that I was going to say that to any of them.
Their lack of planning does not constitute an emergency on your part, camlan. ;)

I used to have a large poster that read: It wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.

The attitude that we should be ashamed that we don't have the required reading at the last moment is always amusing. 

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Did I mention that it was the last week of the semester, and these kids had most likely known about having to read that book for 13 weeks? Waiting until a couple of hours before the class and quiz seemed like a lack of planning on their part. Not that I was going to say that to any of them.
Their lack of planning does not constitute an emergency on your part, camlan. ;)

I used to have a large poster that read: It wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.

The attitude that we should be ashamed that we don't have the required reading at the last moment is always amusing.

Yeah, they were a little Special Snowflaky to think they could the book at the last minute.

But that was the one time in 7 years I worked there when I got a little scared. Just a tiny bit for me--I was pretty safe behind the counter. But I was seriously worried about what would happen if the student who had the book checked out decided to return while that group was still at the desk. They were very angry and maybe it was only trash-talking, but they were threatening violence.

Over a book.
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Did I mention that it was the last week of the semester, and these kids had most likely known about having to read that book for 13 weeks? Waiting until a couple of hours before the class and quiz seemed like a lack of planning on their part. Not that I was going to say that to any of them.
Their lack of planning does not constitute an emergency on your part, camlan. ;)

I used to have a large poster that read: It wasn't raining when Noah built the ark.

The attitude that we should be ashamed that we don't have the required reading at the last moment is always amusing.

Yeah, they were a little Special Snowflaky to think they could the book at the last minute.

But that was the one time in 7 years I worked there when I got a little scared. Just a tiny bit for me--I was pretty safe behind the counter. But I was seriously worried about what would happen if the student who had the book checked out decided to return while that group was still at the desk. They were very angry and maybe it was only trash-talking, but they were threatening violence.

Over a book.

And of course if they'd been the ones to get the last copy of the book and be reading it while everyone else fumed, it would have been totally fair and anyone who objected would have been wrooooong. ::)
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More "My Kid Waited All Summer to Read the Books He was Supposed To"  parents (and their kids):

A teacher at one of the local academies  assigned his or her students to read two books for the summer.  Two books of their own choice.  One had to be fiction, one had to be nonfiction and both had to have a theme relating to technology some how.  Of course, the teacher did not tell the public library about this, so we have had a stream of angry parents through who want us to find the bestest possible books fo their children.  The children, on the other hand, want the shortest and easiest books.  And, oh, if they could all be sitting in one spot labeled fiction and non fiction books on technology, even better.

One of my coworkers tried to make a cart of both fiction and non fiction books linked somehow to technology.

Non fiction isn't too tough.  But fiction?  I convinced one kid that CHerie Priest's "Boneshaker" had cool steampunk technology in it, so he went with that and something about the industrial revolution.

Others not so easy.  Especially the Mamma who kept holding up two non fiction books and asking which one was fiction.  Or she would pick out two fiction books.  And then asked "What's the difference?"  "Fiction is a made up story."  "Oh, okay.  So he can read Steve Jobs' biography for fiction and this Dummies book on computers for non fiction."  "No, he can't." 

Is the difference between fiction and nonfiction not taught in schools anymore? 

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Yarnspinner, it's not that it's not taught in schools, it's that nobody pays attention to schools anymore. Otherwise you wouldn't have people doing the last minute rush to get books in the first place.

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What age are the kids, Yarnspinner?  I remember a fun series about a girl who wanted to be a reporter and was a reporter at her school.  She tried to do an Internet search on the school library computer and was very annoyed and all up in arms about the computer having a parental block on it.  The injustice!  Until she went home to try her search, received some *very* inappropriate results that she couldn't unsee, and realized why the library computer had such a block.  More of an older elementary/middle school age book, though, not HS.