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Re: Not Going To Happen 'Cause I'm Not Harry Potter (Impossible Patron Requests)
« Reply #3030 on: November 15, 2013, 08:29:12 AM »
  "Huh!  I have a Phd!  I am NOT going to take a job in Walmart or Burger King just so I have a job!"

After getting my diploma last december I started looking into my field, then after a few months I started looking into my field and with jobs I thought I could handle (not in my fields, so hospitality, retail and things like that).
I finaly found a part-time seasonal job wrapping gifts in a department store. I have a Master degree, and so does the others working with me, yeah we're not thrilled to put our higher education to wrapping paper, but we're still happy to have a job, even if it pays the minimum. I was going crazy not 'belonging' to something.
I did go through a lot of lows but you gotta do what you gotta do, give yourself a day or two to mop and wallow and cry and get back on track.

In a kinda Harry Potter and head hurting mashup, one girl I'm working with has had her degree for two years and has had a bunch of retail jobs in the mean time, she had an interview in her field X where the guy told her "well, see, you having working in retail on your CV bothers me, it means you haven't lived X for a year and I don't like that."

Yeah well, since they don't give us jobs in our field because we don't have the experience and blame us that we don't have the experience I don't see how we're getting any experience.

Would he rather have a candidate that sat on his hands for 2 years? Working retail or any other job outside your field does mean something, that you can work with people, that you mastered skills you didn't have, that you can learn quickly, that you were a good worker, that you have people skills or a good work ethic or can work under stress and tight schedule (pick those that suits you).

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Re: Not Going To Happen 'Cause I'm Not Harry Potter (Impossible Patron Requests)
« Reply #3031 on: November 15, 2013, 08:41:12 AM »
About 10 years ago I moved to an area that had been thriving - several large manufacturing plants, technology bases, university, etc.  Of course, the minute I got there the economy tanked.  I was lucky - and thrilled - to go from being a web based database developer to working tech support at minimum wage.  In my training class were also a guy with every Cisco engineer certification available, who had been out of work for two years after working for a major manufacturing company as a network manager; and a guy who had  been a telephony developer and had been out of work for 3 years.  We were all thrilled to get that minimum wage in exchange for being screamed at 9-10 hours a day.

On the 'willing but  not able' side, a friend called me once to say that the mortgage company she worked for was downsizing and their receptionist was being laid off. At the time, I worked for a large state university and we always had openings.  She asked if there was anything for her friend.
Secretarial work? No, she doesn't type
Accounting clerk?  No, she doesn't do 10 key or have any knowledge of bookkeeping tasks
General clerical?  No, she doesn't keyboard at all
Library assistant, only skill required is knowledge of the alphabet?   Oh great!  But...she can't possibly work for minimum wage!  She's earning $xx now!

I mused silently to myself that if the company was paying someone that much money to do nothing more than answer the phone, it was no wonder that they had to lay people off.  Every receptionist I've ever known had a multitude of other duties, which required a mix of admin/bookkeeping/organizational skills.  This woman was apparently being paid, literally, to sit there and look pretty.

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« Reply #3032 on: November 15, 2013, 08:56:57 AM »
I'm putting this here because I don't want to start another thread...the folks posting abut friends/family who are frustrated by looking for work, but who don't seem to put an effort into it reminded me of a friend who is doing something similar.  She has a "freelance" position working for a company that pays less than a quarter of the salary she received from the company when she worked for them full time. 

Her friends have tried to find her jobs.

It has been suggested that a local store is hiring part time workers;  "Oh, sure, but I DID that job when I was younger and I shouldn't have to now."

How about THIS part time job?  "It only pays $XX an hour.  I made more than that when I was working full time."

We found someone who really needs your background in City.  "Are you kidding?  I can't do a part time job that requires me to go more than ten miles from home, otherwise the job is just paying for the gas to and from the place."

How about this position here which you are eminently qualified for?  "They want someone in the afternoon.  Besides, I can't sit that long, it would hurt my back."

In between the excuses, she continues to wail that there are NO JOBS out there!  I was hugely embarrassed when she informed me (while she was getting unemployment) how miffed she was that the case worker dared to ask if she had even looked for work that week.  "Of course I looked for work, but they don't have any jobs for my field."  "She doesn't care if you get a job in your field," I told her "you should be willing to interview for ANY job to show you are looking and are willing to work."  "Huh!  I have a Phd!  I am NOT going to take a job in Walmart or Burger King just so I have a job!"

Okie=dokie, then.  You have been unemployed for ten years and are in danger of losing your home.  How is working in Burger King worse than living on the street?

(edited severely because I should not write these things when I am upset with someone else and haven't had much sleep.)

This is my sister-in-law.

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« Reply #3033 on: November 15, 2013, 10:22:28 AM »
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Okie=dokie, then.  You have been unemployed for ten years and are in danger of losing your home.  How is working in Burger King worse than living on the street?

(edited severely because I should not write these things when I am upset with someone else and haven't had much sleep.)

This is my sister-in-law.

This is my best friend. She recently got a job, and part of me can't help but wonder how long it will last. You see, her dad's a veterenarian, and she knows absolutely everything about dog behavior and how everything should possibly be handled, she's lived around animals all her life. So she got a job at a doggy day care. So far she's only a few weeks in, but I can't wait to see her hit the holiday rush and the reality of working with so much all at once and do what she's used to doing, only to have the company remind her repeatedly that they have different ways of doing things.

Don't get me wrong, she's a great girl, but she's very strong-headed. It's taken her seven years to get a full time job because she didn't want to work retail or fast food, she couldn't possibly look during baseball season because she had a part-time job at the stadium, she didn't want to work close enough to home that she could walk because she didn't like those stores, but she's had trouble with maintaining a working car (the family of 5 adults has, at most, two cars working at any given time), and she's the first to ask off work for things like parties that she wants to go to.

On the subject of the thread, I had a few today. Had a client earlier this week start an online file with us. We had a salesperson get in touch with him, but for various reasons in his past, we can't help him at this time. We told him so, sent him a copy of a form giving him the reasons we can't help him. This was on Wednesday.

Wednesday night he tried again to start a file online. The information he put in this time was incomplete, so as my job, I emailed him for a name and phone number for us to call him. I didn't know about the day old file or that we'd already been in contact with him, I just saw an incomplete file, so I did my part. I got the email back from him at about 6:00 last night saying that the web form would not let him complete it, please have someone call him.

There were notes in the old file that we had called him yesterday again to explain why we were closing his file. This was before the email he sent me. He knew that despite the slightly different information on the web form, his history would not change overnight and we would still be unable to do anything to get a file started for him. He has to wait several years and work on his issues on his own before we can help him.

I did actually apologizge to the salesperson when I forwarded the client's email to her. I knew there was nothing she could do, but in order to do my due diligence and because this was technically a new file request, I had to assign it out and she had to call.

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Re: Not Going To Happen 'Cause I'm Not Harry Potter (Impossible Patron Requests)
« Reply #3034 on: November 15, 2013, 11:59:31 AM »
This is my best friend. She recently got a job, and part of me can't help but wonder how long it will last. You see, her dad's a veterenarian, and she knows absolutely everything about dog behavior and how everything should possibly be handled, she's lived around animals all her life. So she got a job at a doggy day care. So far she's only a few weeks in, but I can't wait to see her hit the holiday rush and the reality of working with so much all at once and do what she's used to doing, only to have the company remind her repeatedly that they have different ways of doing things.

Don't get me wrong, she's a great girl, but she's very strong-headed. It's taken her seven years to get a full time job because she didn't want to work retail or fast food, she couldn't possibly look during baseball season because she had a part-time job at the stadium, she didn't want to work close enough to home that she could walk because she didn't like those stores, but she's had trouble with maintaining a working car (the family of 5 adults has, at most, two cars working at any given time), and she's the first to ask off work for things like parties that she wants to go to.


This would also be my co-worker (who has managed to keep her job, but barely). She told me one day that she is no longer looking for full-time work, since she is "still a kid" and she feels she should be out with her friends having fun, not working!

The girl is nineteen. I tried to be tactful and bite my tongue, but inside I was screaming "You are NOT A KID. You are plenty old enough to pay your own dang way!"

Of course, my opinion may be biased since I happen to know her sister and Sis is way too generous. I'm sure part of her (barely-above-minimum) pay goes towards supporting Co-worker.
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« Reply #3035 on: November 15, 2013, 04:25:57 PM »
I've had similar conversations wiht about to graduate college students.    They go in the internet and find out, for example, that IT analysts start out making an average of 70K!!!

So that is what they must have.   Never mind that the study they looked at has absolutely nothing to do with this area of the country, or that the job description they are quoting is senior level, and not really entry level, and never mind that you have never held any type of job in your life.   I should pay you 70K just so I can spend the next 3 years training you!

On a side note, my husband gets really irritated with the teenagers in our family because they insist that their dream job is something like working with pandas, so that is what they are going to college to learn.   Okay, there are maybe 2 panda jobs in the entire US, how do you plan on using your degree.   it doesn't matter, they say, you need to go and study what you love.   I agree that it's nice to have dreams, but should you really be studying a field in which has no practical application in getting you a job?


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« Reply #3036 on: November 15, 2013, 04:53:27 PM »
To be fair, I think part of the problem lies with the school system.

At least in my own experience, in a lot of cases, you've got new graduates who've spent the past 20 years or so being told that if they worked hard and achieved a degree, they could be whatever they wanted to be. I can't remember a single careers talk where they mentioned being "practical". It was more "Go out there and do whatever makes you happy!"

Then you're left with a good portion of a generation of people with impractical or not-quite-what-they-need degrees, who don't want or even can't get entry level jobs. You have no idea how many places I've applied to who tell me that they don't hire graduates. Then, on the other end of the scale, there's the jobs, which, even at entry level, have so many qualified candidates that it becomes necessary to have post-graduate degrees and years of relevant volunteer work in order to even get a look in.

It's easy to get disheartened when you hit the real world and learn that those lovely adults in your life have been lying to you for 20 years.

Gah, sorry. Private pain.

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« Reply #3037 on: November 15, 2013, 05:16:23 PM »
I wish someone had told me that before I left school. There's a teenager who looks up to me and is just starting his last years of school. He wants to do history and ancient history and be an academic. I suggested he try and do teaching too, have something to fall back on and pointed out that a teaching degree would help him with academic teaching, my best history lecture used to take high school history. I also told him what it was like doing ancient history (rather boring lectures by boring old men, lots of reading, essay writing and dead languages) and suggested he also do Ancient Greek or Latin so he could read the text without translation.

I also told him that going to uni puts your life on hold, and that when you get out you'll always be behind your peers who don't go.

I'm not sure I convinced him. I'd pretty much said what his parents did.

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« Reply #3038 on: November 15, 2013, 09:35:28 PM »
Not Harry Potter nor am I a time lord.  Tomorrow (the 16th) we are having a Doctor Who anniversary party at the library.  We had multiple phone calls today to confirm the rumor that Matt Smith will be at the party. 

Our first response was, "What in ehell did we say in the press release?"
No, nothing even intimated that there would even be someone dressed as the 11th Doctor. 

I was  :o at the idea that people would think that the week before the 50th anniversary a major actor in the series would be at a small city in Alabama. 

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« Reply #3039 on: November 15, 2013, 10:06:14 PM »
You might have a better chance of the Doctor himself dropping by.

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« Reply #3040 on: November 15, 2013, 10:41:55 PM »

I also told him that going to uni puts your life on hold, and that when you get out you'll always be behind your peers who don't go.

Really? I'd scarcely say anyone I know wh went to university is "behind" those who went into the workforce straight from high school. I do no one very intelligent person who is, 25 years later, still handicapped professionally from lack of a degree.
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« Reply #3041 on: November 15, 2013, 11:32:33 PM »

I also told him that going to uni puts your life on hold, and that when you get out you'll always be behind your peers who don't go.

Really? I'd scarcely say anyone I know wh went to university is "behind" those who went into the workforce straight from high school. I do no one very intelligent person who is, 25 years later, still handicapped professionally from lack of a degree.
I noticed when I left university that people who went into the work force instead were ahead of me career wise while I had a long agonizing job search that didn't go anywhere. DH didn't go to university and he's in a stable full time job.

But this just might be where I am.

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Re: Not Going To Happen 'Cause I'm Not Harry Potter (Impossible Patron Requests)
« Reply #3042 on: November 16, 2013, 01:51:50 AM »

I also told him that going to uni puts your life on hold, and that when you get out you'll always be behind your peers who don't go.

Really? I'd scarcely say anyone I know wh went to university is "behind" those who went into the workforce straight from high school. I do no one very intelligent person who is, 25 years later, still handicapped professionally from lack of a degree.
I noticed when I left university that people who went into the work force instead were ahead of me career wise while I had a long agonizing job search that didn't go anywhere. DH didn't go to university and he's in a stable full time job.

But this just might be where I am.

I think it must be. In Denmark you're much better off when it comes to seaching for a job if you have a uni degree... Well, a uni degree in a practical area anyway.
 
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« Reply #3043 on: November 16, 2013, 02:21:50 AM »
That many people have uni degrees these days it's almost not worth it.

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« Reply #3044 on: November 16, 2013, 02:28:57 AM »

I also told him that going to uni puts your life on hold, and that when you get out you'll always be behind your peers who don't go.

Really? I'd scarcely say anyone I know wh went to university is "behind" those who went into the workforce straight from high school. I do no one very intelligent person who is, 25 years later, still handicapped professionally from lack of a degree.
I noticed when I left university that people who went into the work force instead were ahead of me career wise while I had a long agonizing job search that didn't go anywhere. DH didn't go to university and he's in a stable full time job.

But this just might be where I am.

Too many variables. I once (long ago) worked a PT job with a guy who was very proud of the fact that by skipping college and going straight to FT work, he'd be making $25k a year in another 4 years. 2 years later, after I graduated college, I started my first FT job at $25k a year.

In some areas, and some fields, it's hard to even get an interview without a degree in SOMETHING. For me, the degree was worth almost as much as the experience - for my 2nd bachelor's, I was able to get a great internship, and a great p/t job as a student, both of which were instrumental in obtaining my current awesome employment. Had I not gone back to school, I don't know where I'd be - quite possibly still unemployed, or having changed careers to something less interesting (to me) and possibly less $$.
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