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Twik

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Show him the GDP reports.   >:D

Faked. See how easy that is?

The problem with arguing with someone who believed in the Great Conspiracy (whatever flavour they choose) is that any statement can be countered with "they're lying". Any physical evidence can be countered with "it's been faked". Then they'll grin, "Can't give me any REAL evidence, can ya?"
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I have to ask - he is aware the Depression had worldwide effects, right? That it wasn't just the US stock market that crashed in that period. Does he think the UK and Canada faked theirs as well, or did the Wall Street Crash never happen?

I'm sorry, but my brain hurts.

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Dear Patron:

You can be upset all you want about us not having books and magazine articles that prove your wiggy theories, but here's the thing:  you MADE UP this idea out of whole cloth.  I cannot get you information that proves something that doesn't exist exists.

We encountered this all the time in the library. 

One of the classics was a lady who came in with a chip the size of the Titanic on her shoulder.
She was sure we keeping information from her because I was a grape person and she was an orange person. After all, doesn't everyone know that grape people are irredemiabley prejudiced? 

The lady was gently asked where she found information on her theory.  Her response made me want to find the jaw-drop emoticons.

'I had a dream about it.  Of course as a grape person,  you couldn't possibly understand but the dreams of orange people always tell the truth'.   

Twik

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I have to ask - he is aware the Depression had worldwide effects, right? That it wasn't just the US stock market that crashed in that period. Does he think the UK and Canada faked theirs as well, or did the Wall Street Crash never happen?

I'm sorry, but my brain hurts.

Never underestimate the strangeness of things a conspiracist will believe. There is a certain type of person who will more easily accept that we're all in some sort of global Truman Show than that something contrary to their desired theory is actually true.
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ti_ax, he's waaaaay ahead of you. 


I don't want to make this political and get the thread closed, but it's all so out there that I have to share.  I am keeping my opinions out of this.
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pecifically, he believes the Depression never happened, that Hoovervilles never existed and that Herbert Hoover personally integrated the armed forces.  Since there are no books/magazine/newspaper articles to prove this, clearly, the supporters of FDR destroyed all proof and photos and we are all lemmings buying into it.  But even though he "knows" that all the evidence was suppressed, he still wants us to find the evidence.

His proof that everything was sunshine and lollipops?  Herbert Hoover's speeches.  We pointed out that EVERY president's state of the union speech is sunshine and lollipops and unicorns vomiting rainbows.  He still won't budge.

So...we are expected to find proof of his theories that, according to him, has been suppressed to hide the truth that the Depression never happened and that Hoovervilles were staged to make the other side look bad.

You couldn't make this stuff up if you sat and thought for two weeks.

I have a book of statistics printed by the Department of Commerce in 1930.  It's so dense with charts and whatnot that it is pretty much incomprehensible.  Think studying that would keep him out of trouble for a while?   ;)

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ti_ax, he's waaaaay ahead of you. 


I don't want to make this political and get the thread closed, but it's all so out there that I have to share.  I am keeping my opinions out of this.
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pecifically, he believes the Depression never happened, that Hoovervilles never existed and that Herbert Hoover personally integrated the armed forces.  Since there are no books/magazine/newspaper articles to prove this, clearly, the supporters of FDR destroyed all proof and photos and we are all lemmings buying into it.  But even though he "knows" that all the evidence was suppressed, he still wants us to find the evidence.

His proof that everything was sunshine and lollipops?  Herbert Hoover's speeches.  We pointed out that EVERY president's state of the union speech is sunshine and lollipops and unicorns vomiting rainbows.  He still won't budge.

So...we are expected to find proof of his theories that, according to him, has been suppressed to hide the truth that the Depression never happened and that Hoovervilles were staged to make the other side look bad.

You couldn't make this stuff up if you sat and thought for two weeks.

I have a book of statistics printed by the Department of Commerce in 1930.  It's so dense with charts and whatnot that it is pretty much incomprehensible.  Think studying that would keep him out of trouble for a while?   ;)

Excellent idea!

Hillia

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ti_ax, he's waaaaay ahead of you. 


I don't want to make this political and get the thread closed, but it's all so out there that I have to share.  I am keeping my opinions out of this.
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pecifically, he believes the Depression never happened, that Hoovervilles never existed and that Herbert Hoover personally integrated the armed forces.  Since there are no books/magazine/newspaper articles to prove this, clearly, the supporters of FDR destroyed all proof and photos and we are all lemmings buying into it.  But even though he "knows" that all the evidence was suppressed, he still wants us to find the evidence.

His proof that everything was sunshine and lollipops?  Herbert Hoover's speeches.  We pointed out that EVERY president's state of the union speech is sunshine and lollipops and unicorns vomiting rainbows.  He still won't budge.

So...we are expected to find proof of his theories that, according to him, has been suppressed to hide the truth that the Depression never happened and that Hoovervilles were staged to make the other side look bad.

You couldn't make this stuff up if you sat and thought for two weeks.

I have a book of statistics printed by the Department of Commerce in 1930.  It's so dense with charts and whatnot that it is pretty much incomprehensible.  Think studying that would keep him out of trouble for a while?   ;)

Excellent idea!

False information put out as part of the gummint coverup.

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Seriously, guys, you all drank the FDR Koolaid...NONE of it ever happened. 

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What is really odd:  this man is in his sixties, he is an African American, his parents were share croppers who lived through the Depression....did THEY lie to him?  According to him, there was no such thing as segregation or Jim Crow, either and racism is a concept dreamed up by the other side starting in the 1930s. 

I pointed out that both my grandparents and my father lived during the Depression and told me a number of tales...so I asked him if he was calling my family liars and he just laughed and shook his head.

It has been going on for two years.  We don't know what set it off--he's clearly had some sort of "event" that triggered this obsession.  He was never like this before...and he's absolutely rabid about it.

The whole thing is utterly surreal...like he's one melting clock short a Dali painting.

Yarnspinner

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Dear Patron:

You can be upset all you want about us not having books and magazine articles that prove your wiggy theories, but here's the thing:  you MADE UP this idea out of whole cloth.  I cannot get you information that proves something that doesn't exist exists.

We encountered this all the time in the library. 

One of the classics was a lady who came in with a chip the size of the Titanic on her shoulder.
She was sure we keeping information from her because I was a grape person and she was an orange person. After all, doesn't everyone know that grape people are irredemiabley prejudiced? 

The lady was gently asked where she found information on her theory.  Her response made me want to find the jaw-drop emoticons.

'I had a dream about it.  Of course as a grape person,  you couldn't possibly understand but the dreams of orange people always tell the truth'.   

We get that side of things, too.  Sometimes I want to throw my hands up in the air and say "You got me!  No flies on you!"

Had a patron yelling and screaming because all of the books by Orange authors were mixed in with the Grape, Chocolate and Mauve authors.  He wanted a room created JUST for Orange Authors.  Eventually, we did something like that with some of the Orange authors.  But only the racy ones.  Because, sadly, those seem to be the only ones that count anymore.

(And not surprisingly, there have been a couple of complaints that the Orange authors were separated out while everyone else was mixed together....you cannot win with the fanatics!)

Lorelei_Evil

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What is really odd:  this man is in his sixties, he is an African American, his parents were share croppers who lived through the Depression....did THEY lie to him?  According to him, there was no such thing as segregation or Jim Crow, either and racism is a concept dreamed up by the other side starting in the 1930s. 

I pointed out that both my grandparents and my father lived during the Depression and told me a number of tales...so I asked him if he was calling my family liars and he just laughed and shook his head.

It has been going on for two years.  We don't know what set it off--he's clearly had some sort of "event" that triggered this obsession.  He was never like this before...and he's absolutely rabid about it.

The whole thing is utterly surreal...like he's one melting clock short a Dali painting.

Lovely analogy.

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The Holocaust was a major event (I guess I can't say worldwide--while WWII was somewhat worldwide, the Holocaust was mostly Europe) that involved many countries, and yet there are Holocaust deniers.  Not just a couple, either.  Whole countries/regions of the world teach it as a hoax!  So there are apparently quite a few people who believe that millions of people can make something up and convince others with false evidence.

We could never keep people happy with the really popular (racy) orange fiction, either.  People wanted it set aside on special shelves, which we tried to do.  But that was really difficult because the books weren't marked in any way, so we'd pull out a selection of stuff, but people would get upset that not *all* of it was on the special shelves, or that it could be in two places.  And the theft rates were incredible, something like 90% every few months.  You really had to feel bad for the regular readers of such books, because they basically had to have a hold on a book when it was still on order if they wanted to get a chance to read it.

I remember some of the rather strange patrons we had, like this very nice, normal-looking mother and son who needed a search on various ghost/alien books that became stranger and stranger until it led to a search on how to make working tinfoil hats...

And there was this one very nice older woman who was constantly coming in with assignments from her church.  She was very sweet and polite, but those searches that the pastor asked them to do for Bible study were crazy!  She had this one assignment to look up information about Matthias, who was the apostle who replaced Judas.  There seems to be less available on him than on just about any other apostle, but she needed an incredible amount of detail.  If I remember correctly, there were two differing accounts of how he may have died, both by different methods and some difference in years, but she was so upset because she was sure she needed to know for *sure*.  I really, really wished I knew what church (no idea how mainstream it was) she went to so I could call her pastor for her and talk to him about the level of research he was requiring.

Slightly off-topic, but our current library (I'm not working there, just using it as a patron) has a guy who has "Alpha-Omega" (the letters, but I don't know how to make them here) written or tattooed on his forehead, and his car is *covered* with signs and rantings.   Papers in all the windows and on the sides of the car, and then some sort of giant mast attached to the back of his car and sticking up about 4 feet over the top of the car, with a sign attached to the top that also says something about Alpha-Omega.  I remember assuming he was a patron until one of my kids said, "Mommy, there's that car!  You know he works at the library?"  And sure enough, I noticed him shelving books.  Not sure if he's a volunteer or an employee.
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Honestly, some people have no idea about history. Did you try explaining to her about differing accounts and how lucky we are to have anything handed down?

I guess people think history is a cohesive narrative, it's not. It's like a jigsaw where you don't have all the pieces as well as some that don't fit and some from other jigsaws that are very similar.

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At best, highly entitled.

At worst, impossible.

Some patron today wanted the printers to accept Canadian coins.

When that could not happen, he wanted us to exchange his Canadian coins for US ones.

I told him that we did not provide currency exchange. There are several nearby banks that may do- as well as an immigration office. But he did not even pause to ask where he could get it exchanged- he just left.
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<snipped for length>...Alpha-Omega.  I remember assuming he was a patron until one of my kids said, "Mommy, there's that car!  You know he works at the library?"  And sure enough, I noticed him shelving books.  Not sure if he's a volunteer or an employee.

Are you sure he works/volunteers there?  Sometimes the less than normally coherent will do seemingly sane and helpful things like shelve library books - however, their shelving system may leave something to be desired.